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normalhorn said:

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Suspect has ditched his first defense team and gone with someone new, a Mike Howard out of north Dallas
You legal eagles, does this mean that he wasn't liking the direction his defense attorneys were steering him?

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Could be his attorneys ditched him after seeing the video.

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I truly wonder if that may be the case. I recall hear his attorney speak at one point and thinking they didn't seem to confident in the self defense claim. I couldn't put my finger on it but the attorney just seemed off.

There a numerous videos apparently. If they showed any type of self defense I don't think he'd be charged with murder 1 so I am guessing the claim is very weak.

I have no personal knowledge of this situation, but if the lawyer is leaving, 9 times out of 10 it's over money issues!

Im Gipper said:

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I have no personal knowledge of this situation, but if the lawyer is leaving, 9 times out of 10 it's over money issues!

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I mean money shouldn't be a problem. Thanks to his side allowing it to fester as a race issue in order to get African Americans and white guilt liberals all up in arms in order to get donations.

Im Gipper said:

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I have no personal knowledge of this situation, but if the lawyer is leaving, 9 times out of 10 it's over money issues!

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Hes got people from all over the country ponying up. Money isn't a problem.

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Logos Stick said:

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AGpops1923 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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AGpops1923 said:

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Ictim walked up to him. But you're right. He's a pos murderer

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No, the murderer walked up and sat under the victim's tent. He initiated the confrontation.

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lol semantics.

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No, that's called facts.

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Facts are that the killer was seated after walking into the tent. The victim walked up to him. Geez Louise how hard is that to admit that the post was wrong. The killer did NOT walk up to the victim.

Edit: Do not mistake me correcting the post as any type of endorsement of the murdering action Karmelo took.

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Ellis: "No, the murderer walked up and sat under the victim's tent. He initiated the confrontation."

AGpops: "lol semantics."

Me: "...that's called facts."

AGpops: "Facts are that the killer was seated after walking into the tent. Geez Louise how hard is that to admit that the post was wrong."



AMAZING reading comprehension!

VaterAg said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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It's a crime to sit under a tent with a high school's logo when you attend a different high school? At a TX track meet? While it's raining?

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Imagine if he had just left when asked to leave,

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That would have defeated the purpose. He was there specifically to provoke a fight or murder.

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Do you have specific evidence which supports this statement? Or are you merely speculating?

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The fact he was carrying the knife on him and was able to extract it and use it as soon as he was confronted. I carry a knife and it would take significantly longer to pull my knife than to pull my gun under ordinary circumstances. He would have had to have it at the ready.

Logos Stick said:

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AGpops1923 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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AGpops1923 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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AGpops1923 said:

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Ictim walked up to him. But you're right. He's a pos murderer

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No, the murderer walked up and sat under the victim's tent. He initiated the confrontation.

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lol semantics.

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No, that's called facts.

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Facts are that the killer was seated after walking into the tent. The victim walked up to him. Geez Louise how hard is that to admit that the post was wrong. The killer did NOT walk up to the victim.

Edit: Do not mistake me correcting the post as any type of endorsement of the murdering action Karmelo took.

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Ellis: "No, the murderer walked up and sat under the victim's tent. He initiated the confrontation."

AGpops: "lol semantics."

Me: "...that's called facts."

AGpops: "Facts are that the killer was seated after walking into the tent. Geez Louise how hard is that to admit that the post was wrong."



AMAZING reading comprehension!

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The comments weren't directed at you Einstein. My comment was for the appropriate post. Then you decided to white knight and now you're wearing a fake grammar police uniform. Mirrors do wonders.

Logos Stick said:

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AGpops1923 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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AGpops1923 said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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AGpops1923 said:

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Ictim walked up to him. But you're right. He's a pos murderer

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No, the murderer walked up and sat under the victim's tent. He initiated the confrontation.

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lol semantics.

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No, that's called facts.

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Facts are that the killer was seated after walking into the tent. The victim walked up to him. Geez Louise how hard is that to admit that the post was wrong. The killer did NOT walk up to the victim.

Edit: Do not mistake me correcting the post as any type of endorsement of the murdering action Karmelo took.

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Ellis: "No, the murderer walked up and sat under the victim's tent. He initiated the confrontation."

AGpops: "lol semantics."

Me: "...that's called facts."

AGpops: "Facts are that the killer was seated after walking into the tent. Geez Louise how hard is that to admit that the post was wrong."



AMAZING reading comprehension!

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Generally speaking. When someone from an opposing schools team came to our tent it was for 1 or 2 things. They were either looking for things to steal when we weren't around or were looking for confrontation to get our team suspended for fighting.

He was there for a reason, and it wasn't to get out of the rain.

From a self defense standpoint, it is not his presence under the tent that is provocation it is what Anthony said to Metcalf, a few times daring Metcalf to touch him and see what happens. So Anthony has a provocation issue.

Anthony also has a proportionality and escalation issue. Metcalf was unarmed but Anthony was armed. Using a knife to stab someone for an invited touching, (even if that could be construed as a battery) is out of proportion to the perceived threat from the unarmed Metcalf. Nor was it reasonable for Anthony to perceive an imminent deadly threat from Metcalf in those circumstances. The test is not what Anthony believed, it is whether that was a reasonable belief under the circumstances.

So, at best, an imperfect claim of self defense which in Texas is a mitigation factor during the punishment stage, not the guilt stage of the trial. And it is on the defense to adduce such evidence during the sentencing part. But is Texas what that could mean Anthony is still convicted of murder but sentenced like it was manslaughter and that is the best case scenario for him here. Even that is pretty sketchy from the facts I have seen in the arrest report.

Angry Cops on Youtube got copies of the police reports. Good video with good info that goes through several reports and witness statements.

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From a self defense standpoint, it is not his presence under the tent that is provocation it is what Anthony said to Metcalf, a few times daring Metcalf to touch him and see what happens. So Anthony has a provocation issue.

Anthony also has a proportionality and escalation issue. Metcalf was unarmed but Anthony was armed. Using a knife to stab someone for an invited touching, (even if that could be construed as a battery) is out of proportion to the perceived threat from the unarmed Metcalf. Nor was it reasonable for Anthony to perceive an imminent deadly threat from Metcalf in those circumstances. The test is not what Anthony believed, it is whether that was a reasonable belief under the circumstances.

So, at best, an imperfect claim of self defense which in Texas is a mitigation factor during the punishment stage, not the guilt stage of the trial. And it is on the defense to adduce such evidence during the sentencing part. But is Texas what that could mean Anthony is still convicted of murder but sentenced like it was manslaughter and that is the best case scenario for him here. Even that is pretty sketchy from the facts I have seen in the arrest report.

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He wasn't in the tent looking for a fight, per se.

He was there looking for something to steal, got caught, was confronted, too a much too aggressive stance, got called out, possibly panicked and stabbed the victim.

Again, apply Occam's Razor principle here. I'd put money on my opinion being correct as to how it started

Suspect bonded out, FYI. He will be on home arrest, with an ankle monitor

Emotional Support Cobra said:

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What do you have to do to stay in jail???

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This. How sad and true.

normalhorn said:

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Suspect bonded out, FYI. He will be on home arrest, with an ankle monitor

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I have no idea how well those ankle monitors work but talk about a flight risk.

Emotional Support Cobra said:

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What do you have to do to stay in jail???

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In Texas? Capital murder or a federal crime.

It's possible he actually got some good advice and went with a real criminal defense attorney instead of a blacktivist.

Logos Stick said:

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Emotional Support Cobra said:

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What do you have to do to stay in jail???

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Be the right skin color.

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Funny, but not the case.

You don't get hit with "no bail" for first time murder charge. Even if white.

AtticusMatlock said:

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It's possible he actually got some good advice and went with a real criminal defense attorney instead of a blacktivist.

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Then it's definitely about money! LOL

This scumbag piece of **** gets to go home thanks to a proud DEI judge two days after Austin Metcalf is put in the ground. When are we going to stop being nice

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This scumbag piece of **** gets to go home thanks to a proud DEI judge two days after Austin Metcalf is put in the ground. When are we going to stop being nice

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I understand the sentiment but other than ankle monitored house arrest, I do not know the other bail terms yet. Alcohol, drug testing? Restrictions on cell phone and computer access? Daily calls?

He's 17 with impulse control issues. Chances he violates the terms of his bail are definitely there for having his bail revoked and his butt back in county jail.

If anyone has the full terms and conditions of his bail, please link them for this Ol' Dame. TIA.

They explain in this video how difficult it will be to claim self defense for Anthony. He provoked the situation, then used deadly force when the situation didn't justify it. They shut down Tim Poole's theory too, that even his situation is provocation. The witness statements are also very damming to Anthony, even if Metcalf was a actual white supremacist.

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They explain in this video how difficult it will be to claim self defense for Anthony

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As I pointed out, at the very best, Anthony has what is called an "imperfect self defense claim." (I submit it doesn't even qualify for that, at this point but I digress.)

His defense team will most likely not even be able to present such evidence they think they may have on self defense during the guilt phase of the trial...EXCEPT if they put Anthony on the stand. Only way to get that in, in m view. If I am incorrect on that, please provide clarification so I might learn something new today. TIA.

The more a see and read about this case, the more concerned I get for the fallout. I have yet to hear anyone use any sort of legal defense for self defense. I've heard different police officers and attorneys discuss how he has no prayer for self defense. Many who stand behind Karmelo have decided it was 100% self defense, that anything negative they have read about Austin is true (he had been bullying Karmelo for days/weeks/months leading up to the stabbing even though they didn't know each other, that he broke Karmelo's phone and stomped on it even though the police report has nothing about a broken phone nor do any of the witness statements up to this point, Austin and Hunter jumped Karmelo but no witness statements say a punch was even thrown and there are clearly no marks on Karmelo in his mug shot) and Karmelo was just a poor honor student pushed to the brink and fearing for his life. I have heard some DAs (not in Collin County) say they don't see how the Collin County DA can plea this out and appease both sides. If that's the case and this goes to trial, Karmelo is doing time. Probably real time. They might be able to get it down to manslaughter which would mean anywhere from 2-20 years in prison, but that's his absolute best case scenario. He's looking at doing real time in a state pen. Will Karmelo's supporters let that go without riots? I doubt it.

Tell me if I'm wrong.

The released the puke. Maybe some Texas boys will get the right kind of justice.

Slicer97 said:

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Im Gipper said:

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I disagree with you that simply being there is its own evidence he was there to provoke a fight.

However, I almost guarantee you when all is said and done, that is the case!


I don't know if he went looking to murder someone, but to me, it's a very assumption that he went looking for trouble! (Which by the way, makes no difference here as he still murdered someone)

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It's not simply being there. It's the refusal to leave when asked and being in possession of the stabby stick and saying "Touch me and see what happens." parts that are evidence he was there to provoke a fight.

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And in possession of stabby thing at a school function where weapons are generally not allowed.

No reason for him to have it as a student.

A pocket knife would be understandable on the street but for a student to have one at a track meet....that one is difficult to explain.

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The more a see and read about this case, the more concerned I get for the fallout. I have yet to hear anyone use any sort of legal defense for self defense. I've heard different police officers and attorneys discuss how he has no prayer for self defense. Many who stand behind Karmelo have decided it was 100% self defense, that anything negative they have read about Austin is true (he had been bullying Karmelo for days/weeks/months leading up to the stabbing even though they didn't know each other, that he broke Karmelo's phone and stomped on it even though the police report has nothing about a broken phone nor do any of the witness statements up to this point, Austin and Hunter jumped Karmelo but no witness statements say a punch was even thrown and there are clearly no marks on Karmelo in his mug shot) and Karmelo was just a poor honor student pushed to the brink and fearing for his life. I have heard some DAs (not in Collin County) say they don't see how the Collin County DA can plea this out and appease both sides. If that's the case and this goes to trial, Karmelo is doing time. Probably real time. They might be able to get it down to manslaughter which would mean anywhere from 2-20 years in prison, but that's his absolute best case scenario. He's looking at doing real time in a state pen. Will Karmelo's supporters let that go without riots? I doubt it.

Tell me if I'm wrong.

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They aint rioting in Texas.

They can try, but I guarantee you the burning and **** that went down elsewhere ain't happening.

You forget how dumb the left is in Dallas?

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The more a see and read about this case, the more concerned I get for the fallout. I have yet to hear anyone use any sort of legal defense for self defense. I've heard different police officers and attorneys discuss how he has no prayer for self defense. Many who stand behind Karmelo have decided it was 100% self defense, that anything negative they have read about Austin is true (he had been bullying Karmelo for days/weeks/months leading up to the stabbing even though they didn't know each other, that he broke Karmelo's phone and stomped on it even though the police report has nothing about a broken phone nor do any of the witness statements up to this point, Austin and Hunter jumped Karmelo but no witness statements say a punch was even thrown and there are clearly no marks on Karmelo in his mug shot) and Karmelo was just a poor honor student pushed to the brink and fearing for his life. I have heard some DAs (not in Collin County) say they don't see how the Collin County DA can plea this out and appease both sides. If that's the case and this goes to trial, Karmelo is doing time. Probably real time. They might be able to get it down to manslaughter which would mean anywhere from 2-20 years in prison, but that's his absolute best case scenario. He's looking at doing real time in a state pen. Will Karmelo's supporters let that go without riots? I doubt it.

Tell me if I'm wrong.

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One difference. This is Texas. Not Minnesota, nor Seattle, Portland, nor Wisconsin. It is not in Austin, which could be more tolerant of such demonstrations, using that term tongue in cheek.

Try that crap in Frisco? Quick way to find out firsthand what a "well armed militia" means.

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You forget how dumb the left is in Dallas?

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It's not Dallas.

It's Frisco

There is a difference.

If any rioters want to do it they will move their happy butts to Dallas. But if they try that in Frisco.....good luck

Ags4DaWin said:

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Pinochet said:

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You forget how dumb the left is in Dallas?

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It's not Dallas.

It's Frisco

There is a difference.

If any rioters want to do it they will move their happy butts to Dallas. But if they try that in Frisco.....good luck

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Agree. Frisco is different. My step-daughter lived there for awhile and we visited often. Not the hood at all.

So a video saying what many of us have been posting for several days?

https://www.givesendgo.com/HelpKarmelo

GiveSendGo has now surpassed $400K with a new listed goal of $500k. I believe the original goal was $100K and each time the goal is met, the goal posts move and higher a goal is entered.