GoFundMe for Karmelo Anthony

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VaterAg said:

DannyDuberstein said:

You registered to post that drivel?

No one posted that because we aren't psychopaths ready to stab someone if they touch us. The killer also went from 0 to 100. The victim had no chance to deescalate. It didn't escalate until he was dead


Long time lurker, first time poster! As I mentioned, there are lessons to be learned on both sides. Do you honestly think the deceased would handled the situation the exact same way if he had a chance at a do-over?


So how much money did you donate to his defense fund?
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itsyourboypookie said:

Dad is a grifter. Son just gave him the goose that lays the golden egg


He was just defending himself from the 2 year old obviously.
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TresPuertas said:



an interesting, but not surprising, wrinkle to the story
Masks in 2025 are just virtue signaling.
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Also dude looks like Doug Judy from Brooklyn 99.
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Masks in 2025 are just virtue signaling.
As they were in 2020 when that picture was taken!

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itsyourboypookie said:

Dad is a grifter. Son just gave him the goose that lays the golden egg


Only 2 years for shaken baby is disgusting. That child's development and therefore life is completely ruined and it should be punished as murder.
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Truly amazing the piles of filth that the libs hitch their wagons to...
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StandUpforAmerica said:

The wagons are circling. This feels a little like OJ in that many in that community seem to be rooting for him to get off just because of this color.




He looks like he has already survived the electric chair.
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Of course he is SAFE. he's the one who did the stabbing....
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NVM
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VaterAg said:

There are many lessons here. First, do not put your hands on anyone unless your or others' physical safety is at risk. This is TX, a stand your ground state who takes being armed seriously. I'm surprised no one has posted a resnpose with "If anyone puts their hands on me I'm not waiting to find out how far they will take it,I'm defending myself to stop the threat immediately."

Second, if you do use deadly force, you better be 100% sure self-defense applies and is appropriate as you will have to deal with your choice and consequences the rest of your life.

It's a shame neither party in this tragic scenario was able to deescalate. One kid is dead, and another kid's life has instantly changed for the worse over something stupid.
You are forgetting a major step here. But that's not surprising given when you typed and what I assume your personality is like.
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Tom Fox said:

A Net Full of Jello said:

Do you think the DA will offer a plea or is it in his best interest, given the publicity, to take this to trial?


When I was a Texas felony prosecutor, I always made an offer. It might be one I knew they wouldn't take to bait them into trial, but I always made one.

Depending on the video, I couldn't imagine offering less than 30. 25 should be a take for the defense.
I feel confident in saying that due to the racial component of the case, the defense is probably hoping that the jury is racially diverse and that one or two jurors can be swayed to acquit based on nothing more than skin color, no matter the evidence, much like OJ was acquitted.

It's a crapshoot on both sides.
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This is not a crapshoot. Far from it.

We have a person that confessed to stabbing someone else, with no evidence whatsoever at this point that it was justified (and none likely to surface).

The OJ verdict is wholly irrelevant!

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The OJ verdict is irrelevant, but how the verdict was reached is wholly relevant.

I am 1000% certain that even with a confession, or a video, or the actual bloody knife in his hand, there are some people who would acquit based solely on the racial aspect of the case.
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schmellba99 said:


You are forgetting a major step here. But that's not surprising given when you typed and what I assume your personality is like.
I always find it interesting that leftists hate the concept of Stand Your Ground because people like Trayvon Martin, who attacked Zimmerman, are killed in an act of self-defense.

This encounter is totally the result of a young man going where he should not have been and for whatever reason stabbing a person who told him to leave. It is a very different scenario than Zimmerman's (who I think is an idiot, anyway). There is no reasonable excuse for carrying a knife at a school sporting event. There was no foreseeable circumstance in which anyone would expect to need to "stand their ground," unless there is a whole lot of information none of us are aware of.

Maybe Vater has personal knowledge of something we do not, but surely it would be public if that were the case.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

schmellba99 said:


You are forgetting a major step here. But that's not surprising given when you typed and what I assume your personality is like.
I There is no reasonable excuse for carrying a knife at a school sporting event.


Wrong. Not saying Anthony had a knife for reasonable purposes, but they do exist. I'm also not saying that reasonable=legal.
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We are doing this again?

You know why you don't carry a knife to an event with a bunch of school kids? Because someone might get hurt.
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Booma94 said:

The OJ verdict is irrelevant, but how the verdict was reached is wholly relevant.

I am 1000% certain that even with a confession, or a video, or the actual bloody knife in his hand, there are some people who would acquit based solely on the racial aspect of the case.
Derek Chauvin comes to mind.
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If this was a case of clear cut self defense, would you be demanding repercussions for possessing a knife on school grounds?
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Why is that so important?

And yes, you get caught with a weapon to school, you spend a bunch of time in GAP.
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chickencoupe16 said:

If this was a case of clear cut self defense, would you be demanding repercussions for possessing a knife on school grounds?
I would not. Of course, that is a hypothetical, since it turns out Anthony is the one others needed protection from. There is a body to prove it.
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Slicer97 said:

Why is that so important?

And yes, you get caught with a weapon to school, you spend a bunch of time in GAP.
not sure what "GAP" stands for but I know 99.99% of all campuses in TX have a clear policy where if a student brings a knife, gun, etc it is a clear placement at an alternative campus. Students are not allowed to carry/possess any type of weapon at school or any type of school sanctioned event. PERIOD.

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Booma94 said:

Tom Fox said:

A Net Full of Jello said:

Do you think the DA will offer a plea or is it in his best interest, given the publicity, to take this to trial?


When I was a Texas felony prosecutor, I always made an offer. It might be one I knew they wouldn't take to bait them into trial, but I always made one.

Depending on the video, I couldn't imagine offering less than 30. 25 should be a take for the defense.
I feel confident in saying that due to the racial component of the case, the defense is probably hoping that the jury is racially diverse and that one or two jurors can be swayed to acquit based on nothing more than skin color, no matter the evidence, much like OJ was acquitted.
Good luck to them, then. OJ was acquitted because they got the location of the trial changed from Brentwood to LA. Collin County is going to be difficult to get a racially diverse jury that is sympathetic to poor Karmelo's plight. Whites make up over 50% of the population. The largest minority group are Asians with over 17%. Then you have Hispanics at 15%. Blacks are only 10% of the population.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

chickencoupe16 said:

If this was a case of clear cut self defense, would you be demanding repercussions for possessing a knife on school grounds?
I would not. Of course, that is a hypothetical, since it turns out Anthony is the one others needed protection from. There is a body to prove it.


I appreciate the honesty, but it's definitely not logically consistent. If it's illegal and unreasonable, which you claim, it seems like repercussions would be in order.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

schmellba99 said:


You are forgetting a major step here. But that's not surprising given when you typed and what I assume your personality is like.
I always find it interesting that leftists hate the concept of Stand Your Ground because people like Trayvon Martin, who attacked Zimmerman, are killed in an act of self-defense.

This encounter is totally the result of a young man going where he should not have been and for whatever reason stabbing a person who told him to leave. It is a very different scenario than Zimmerman's (who I think is an idiot, anyway). There is no reasonable excuse for carrying a knife at a school sporting event. There was no foreseeable circumstance in which anyone would expect to need to "stand their ground," unless there is a whole lot of information none of us are aware of.

Maybe Vater has personal knowledge of something we do not, but surely it would be public if that were the case.
I have seen a number of blacks on social media saying it was self defense because Austin should have never had the entitlement to tell Karmelo where he could and could not sit nor should he have ever put his hands on Karmelo once provoked. That a black person saying, "touch me and see what happens" is their way of saying they are on the defense but ready to go into offense and you need to look out.

However, if the races were switched, I'm certain the argument would be that it was the white kid who was entitled by sitting where he didn't belong. The white kid was looking for trouble by sitting under another team's tent. The white kid was literally threateningthe black kid, completely unprovoked, by saying "touch me and see what happens." The black kid was just trying to protect himself and his friends from someone clearly unstable and dangerous. We know he was unstable and dangerous by his actions both up to this point and following when he stabbed the poor black child. That black child is a hero from trying to protect his friends from the dangerous white attacker who should be getting the death penalty for what he did.
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Wonder if this money will end up like BLM money.


It's always the 8th or 9th post down on P1 of any thread that turns out to be the most accurate.
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G(name of my town) Alternative Placement
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I think it does raise an interesting legal question that needs additional clarity regarding stand your ground and self defense.

Defenders of KA argue that the bleachers were a public place, and he had every right to sit anywhere on the premesis in a public arena without being "harassed" by others. So to them, both stand your ground and self defense would apply.

I find problems with this take as the team tents raise question as to "ownership" of the seat itself. I can easily argue that stand your ground doesn't apply if you're in a house you're burglarizing and the owner comes home and you kill him. Though this obviously doesn't rise to that extent, the fact that Karmelo's team had its own tent in the stands does make it a middle ground of "staked territory". He was in the opposing team's "house", as it were.

In the opposite extreme, a member of an opposing team - a trainer, for example - cannot go into the Aggie dugout, sit down, and be completely justified to be there because it's a public ballpark, just as men cannot go into women's restrooms without a prompt visit from law enforcement.

In a sane world, the idea of stand your ground and self defense would be immediately summarily dismissed by everyone. But, this isn't a sane world anymore, so it will have to be spelled out ad nauseum for the KA supporters.
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jrdaustin said:

Defenders of KA argue that the bleachers were a public place, and he had every right to sit anywhere on the premesis in a public arena without being "harassed" by others. So to them, both stand your ground and self defense would apply.
Public place doesn't matter. The victim did not take action that would justify the use of lethal force by KA. That's the issue.
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Stand your ground means you have no duty to retreat. It applies to Anthony and applies everywhere.

Stand your ground does not mean you can escalate to the use of deadly force absent a legal basis, which does not exist here.

As i said pages ago, if this becomes a battle of "was it okay to be in the tent" that is a bad sign for the prosecution. Because it does not matter one bit if he had the right to be there or not.

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I think it does raise an interesting legal question that needs additional clarity regarding stand your ground and self defense.
Problem 'Melo got here is if he is found to have provoked the initial encounter.

While there is no general duty to retreat in Texas ... if the person claiming that deadly force was justified as a matter of self-defense provoked the initial encounter this may trigger a duty to retreat before acting in self-defense under the TPC.

Another problem Melo got is if he was found to be unlawfully carrying a weapon and was found to have provoked the encounter. Is posting up in the opposing team's tent at a track meet considered provoking an encounter?

Finally, and most importantly Melo got a big problem in that for use of deadly force to be justified, it must be proportional to the threat. So even if somebody puts their hands on you, it's a hard-sell to argue that deadly force was justified here under the circumstances, to wit, stabbing somebody in the heart.
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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I think it does raise an interesting legal question that needs additional clarity regarding stand your ground and self defense.
Problem 'Melo got here is if he is found to have provoked the initial encounter.

While there is no general duty to retreat in Texas ... if the person claiming that deadly force was justified as a matter of self-defense provoked the initial encounter this may trigger a duty to retreat before claiming self-defense under the TPC.

Another problem Melo got is if he was found to be unlawfully carrying a weapon and was found to have provoked the encounter. Is posting up in the opposing team's tent at a track meet considered provoking an encounter?

Finally, and most importantly Melo got a big problem in that for use of deadly force to be justified, it must be proportional to the threat. So even if somebody puts their hands on you, it's a hard-sell to argue that deadly force was justified here under the circumstances, to wit, stabbing somebody in the heart.
I really don't see a stand your ground issue here. Red herring, IMO.
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Finally, and most importantly Melo got a big problem in that for use of deadly force to be justified, it must be proportional to the threat. So even if somebody puts their hands on you, it's a hard-sell to argue that deadly force was justified here under the circumstances, to wit, stabbing somebody in the heart.

This is the only one that really matters. KA purposefully took a life when his own was not in jeopardy. That's prison time.
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Slicer97 said:

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Finally, and most importantly Melo got a big problem in that for use of deadly force to be justified, it must be proportional to the threat. So even if somebody puts their hands on you, it's a hard-sell to argue that deadly force was justified here under the circumstances, to wit, stabbing somebody in the heart.

This is the only one that really matters. KA purposefully took a life when his own was not in jeopardy. That's prison time.
it makes too much sense for it to be that easy for some people.
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The original go fund me and some posts on social media claim that the victim had smashed Anthony's phone and harassed his girlfriend in the days or weeks before the track meet. And they're claiming that as justification that he acted reasonably.

But if this did happen, and then he shows up at the meet with a knife, goes to the guy's tent, baits a fight, and then uses the knife to kill the guy…

This only sounds like motive and premeditation.
 
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