aggiehawg said:

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I know Anthony is under house arrest but is he allowed to go to school? Or online classes only?

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I have no idea but I would think that either way, the smart thing is to keep him home. Can you imagine the nightmare for his defense team if someone picks a fight with him in the hall?

Tramp96 said:

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You don't bring a knife large enough to kill a person to a track meet unless you have some intent to use it.

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And how large is that, exactly?

His poor teachers if they are being asked to keep up the charade of him learning online.

A Net Full of Jello said:

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aggiehawg said:

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I know Anthony is under house arrest but is he allowed to go to school? Or online classes only?

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I have no idea but I would think that either way, the smart thing is to keep him home. Can you imagine the nightmare for his defense team if someone picks a fight with him in the hall?

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There is no way they are allowing him to attend classes in person. If anything were to happen, this would be the most epic case of hindsight "What the eff were you thinking!!" against whoever authorized it.

So let's say the story reads as it currently does but ends with a twist.....

Anthony wrong tent
Told to leave
provokes victim into touching him
Anthony pulls out knife and goes to stab Austin in the chest but Austin uses a self defense move and removes the knife from Anthony.
Austin stabs Anthony in the heart and Anthony dies.

How does this go?

VaterAg said:

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AggiePetro07 said:

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Tramp96 said:

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What infuriates me most about the judge lowering the bond is the kid brought a knife to a track meet. That action makes this pre-meditated. You don't bring a knife large enough to kill a person to a track meet unless you have some intent to use it.

And it's not like this track meet was in a sketch part of high crime inner city area. This was in freaking Frisco.

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I carry every day very near this area of Frisco, but mainly because of people like Karmello.

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Would you use your weapon to defend yourself if someone like Karmelo put their hands on you preemptively over something stupid and arbitrary?

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If he pushed me? No

chickencoupe16 said:

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Tramp96 said:

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You don't bring a knife large enough to kill a person to a track meet unless you have some intent to use it.

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And how large is that, exactly?

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It's not a swiss army pocket knife is my point.

The kid brought a knife to a school event. I would think he would be expelled from school or sent to A school.

Tom Fox said:

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VaterAg said:

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AggiePetro07 said:

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Tramp96 said:

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What infuriates me most about the judge lowering the bond is the kid brought a knife to a track meet. That action makes this pre-meditated. You don't bring a knife large enough to kill a person to a track meet unless you have some intent to use it.

And it's not like this track meet was in a sketch part of high crime inner city area. This was in freaking Frisco.

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I carry every day very near this area of Frisco, but mainly because of people like Karmello.

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Would you use your weapon to defend yourself if someone like Karmelo put their hands on you preemptively over something stupid and arbitrary?

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If he pushed me? No

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Okay, good, thx for response. You would de-escalate, something Karmelo should have done.

From Chat GPT: Legal Folks feel free to help us, but Anthony seems cooked. He was the instigator (location and touch me and find out comments). Not a bruise or scratch, and no weapon pulled on him. Not self defense.

Self-Defense Conditions (Texas Penal Code 9.31 & 9.32)
General Use of Force (Not Deadly)
You can use force if:

You reasonably believe it's immediately necessary to protect yourself against another's use or attempted use of unlawful force.

You're not the initial aggressor (you didn't provoke or start the confrontation unless you clearly try to stop and the other person continues).

You're not engaged in criminal activity at the time.

Use of Deadly Force
You can use deadly force (like pulling a gun) if all of the above apply, and:

You reasonably believe deadly force is immediately necessary to:

Protect yourself against another's use or attempted use of deadly force, or

Prevent the imminent commission of certain violent crimes, such as:

Aggravated kidnapping

Murder

Sexual assault or aggravated sexual assault

Robbery or aggravated robbery

It happens in a place you have a legal right to be (e.g., your home, car, or public place).

You did not provoke the person you're defending against.

Stand Your Ground (Castle Doctrine)
Texas law does not require you to retreat before using deadly force if:

You have a legal right to be where you are,

You are not engaged in criminal activity,

You didn't provoke the attack.

Important Caveats
Pulling a gun is considered a use of deadly force even if you don't shoot.

Just because someone is threatening doesn't automatically justify drawing a weaponyour belief must be "reasonable" in the eyes of the law.

The law protects reasonable actions, not just ones based on fear alone.

IndividualFreedom said:

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So let's say the story reads as it currently does but ends with a twist.....

Anthony wrong tent
Told to leave
provokes victim into touching him
Anthony pulls out knife and goes to stab Austin in the chest but Austin uses a self defense move and removes the knife from Anthony.
Austin stabs Anthony in the heart and Anthony dies.

How does this go?

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I actually enjoy hypotheticals! I'd say a lot would depend on what Anthony was doing at the time immediately after the knife was taken away from him. I'll lean on self defense being reasonable in this situation UNLESS Anthony cowers down, submits with his hands in the air motionless.

VaterAg said:

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AggiePetro07 said:

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Tramp96 said:

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What infuriates me most about the judge lowering the bond is the kid brought a knife to a track meet. That action makes this pre-meditated. You don't bring a knife large enough to kill a person to a track meet unless you have some intent to use it.

And it's not like this track meet was in a sketch part of high crime inner city area. This was in freaking Frisco.

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I carry every day very near this area of Frisco, but mainly because of people like Karmello.

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Would you use your weapon to defend yourself if someone like Karmelo put their hands on you preemptively over something stupid and arbitrary?

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Anyone who has gone through the LTC course knows you cannot use lethal force simply because someone "put their hands on you." There is a very specific threshold that must be met before you can kill someone; and simple battery is no where close.

Now if someone is using their hands to choke you; then yes, you can use lethal force.

If the person is beating you, especially in the head, neck, or spine, and that person has the ability to cause serious harm, you can use lethal force. (You could not use lethal force if a little kid was hitting your head because he would not be a threat and you can simply push him away.)

If the person is far bigger than you and is attacking you (think 5ft woman vs 6'7" NFL linebacker) then the threshold for using lethal force is much lower because of the disparity of physical force that exists between the two people.

As Anthony was in no danger of death or serious physical injury, nor was the victim 5 times his size, then the use of deadly force was not justified whatsoever.

Anthony is only cooked if the jury decides that the law is applicable to him

IndividualFreedom said:

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So let's say the story reads as it currently does but ends with a twist.....

Anthony wrong tent
Told to leave
provokes victim into touching him
Anthony pulls out knife and goes to stab Austin in the chest but Austin uses a self defense move and removes the knife from Anthony.
Austin stabs Anthony in the heart and Anthony dies.

How does this go?

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298,356 streets, 46 buildings, and a battleship named after Anthony.

No bail.
Hate crime.
Democrats and liberals screeching in the streets, burning things and hurting people, property and cops.

rgag12 said:

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Anthony is only cooked if the jury decides that the law is applicable to him

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That is the applicable law that covers self defense in Texas.

I have said from the beginning, his only hope is jury nullification.

rgag12 said:

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Anthony is only cooked if the jury decides that the law is applicable to him

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Why would the law not apply to him? He killed a guy. He was not an immediate danger. He could've punched him. He could've argued with him. He could've shoved him.

Im Gipper said:

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Twitter isn't the real world. Keep reminding yourself of that.

He's not going to walk. No chance in hell.

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That's not accurate. Twitter is the real world. It just has a lot of kooks on it. But it also has legitimate news sources and information. You guys have to understand that most companies now use this for press releases, so does the government so does every university and most government functions and businesses. So even if you don't like it, that's the way it is. You can't just write off everything that's on there. And thank God we have it given how our legacy media has turned out.

annie88 said:

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rgag12 said:

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Anthony is only cooked if the jury decides that the law is applicable to him

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Why would the law not apply to him? He killed a guy. He was not an immediate danger. He could've punched him. He could've argued with him. He could've shoved him.

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The law would apply to him, but you never know what a jury will do. I think that's his point.

annie88 said:

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rgag12 said:

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Anthony is only cooked if the jury decides that the law is applicable to him

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Why would the law not apply to him? He killed a guy. He was not an immediate danger. He could've punched him. He could've argued with him. He could've shoved him.

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he could have left the tent and gone to his own school's tent

You know, I think I'll start a GoFundMe type thing. I'm going to be getting a new car in the next few months and I'd really rather not pay for it myself. Let's go for the $180K Range Rover. I truly need it.

one safe place said:

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IndividualFreedom said:

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So let's say the story reads as it currently does but ends with a twist.....

Anthony wrong tent
Told to leave
provokes victim into touching him
Anthony pulls out knife and goes to stab Austin in the chest but Austin uses a self defense move and removes the knife from Anthony.
Austin stabs Anthony in the heart and Anthony dies.

How does this go?

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298,356 streets, 46 buildings, and a battleship named after Anthony.

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Where's the statues?

Tramp96 said:

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annie88 said:

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rgag12 said:

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Anthony is only cooked if the jury decides that the law is applicable to him

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Why would the law not apply to him? He killed a guy. He was not an immediate danger. He could've punched him. He could've argued with him. He could've shoved him.

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The law would apply to him, but you never know what a jury will do. I think that's his point.

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Ah. Got it. Yes. I remember the OJ trial. But let's hope these prosecutors don't screw it up like they did.

Rapier108 said:

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VaterAg said:

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AggiePetro07 said:

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Tramp96 said:

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What infuriates me most about the judge lowering the bond is the kid brought a knife to a track meet. That action makes this pre-meditated. You don't bring a knife large enough to kill a person to a track meet unless you have some intent to use it.

And it's not like this track meet was in a sketch part of high crime inner city area. This was in freaking Frisco.

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I carry every day very near this area of Frisco, but mainly because of people like Karmello.

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Would you use your weapon to defend yourself if someone like Karmelo put their hands on you preemptively over something stupid and arbitrary?

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Anyone who has gone through the LTC course knows you cannot use lethal force simply because someone "put their hands on you." There is a very specific threshold that must be met before you can kill someone; and simple battery is no where close.

Now if someone is using their hands to choke you; then yes, you can use lethal force.

If the person is beating you, especially in the head, neck, or spine, and that person has the ability to cause serious harm, you can use lethal force. (You could not use lethal force if a little kid was hitting your head because he would not be a threat and you can simply push him away.)

If the person is far bigger than you and is attacking you (think 5ft woman vs 6'7" NFL linebacker) then the threshold for using lethal force is much lower because of the disparity of physical force that exists between the two people.

As Anthony was in no danger of death or serious physical injury, nor was the victim 5 times his size, then the use of deadly force was not justified whatsoever.

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Thanks. Another reasonable answer.

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So let's say the story reads as it currently does but ends with a twist.....

Anthony wrong tent
Told to leave
provokes victim into touching him
Anthony pulls out knife and goes to stab Austin in the chest but Austin uses a self defense move and removes the knife from Anthony.
Austin stabs Anthony in the heart and Anthony dies.

How does this go?

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I want to change it again.........

So let's say the story reads as it currently does but ends with a twist.....

Anthony wrong tent
Told to leave
Anthony continuously states loudly that he is in fear of his life and not to come closer.
Austin tells him to leave their HS tent and to go to his... Austin then grabs his arm to guide him away...
Anthony pulls out his knife and stabs him to death.

How does this go?

annie88 said:

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Im Gipper said:

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Twitter isn't the real world. Keep reminding yourself of that.

He's not going to walk. No chance in hell.

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That's not accurate. Twitter is the real world. It just has a lot of kooks on it. But it also has legitimate news sources and information. You guys have to understand that most companies now use this for press releases, so does the government so does every university and most government functions and businesses. So even if you don't like it, that's the way it is. You can't just write off everything that's on there. And thank God we have it given how our legacy media has turned out.

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You are completely misunderstanding what people say when they say "twitter isn't the real world"

Thank you. I thought that wss self explanatory.

"New media" using Twitter (and other avenues) to disseminate stories has nothing to do with the reactions from "people" on Twitter to stories etc.

I love Twitter. I post links here all the time. It's a great source for information!

VaterAg said:

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AggiePetro07 said:

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Tramp96 said:

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What infuriates me most about the judge lowering the bond is the kid brought a knife to a track meet. That action makes this pre-meditated. You don't bring a knife large enough to kill a person to a track meet unless you have some intent to use it.

And it's not like this track meet was in a sketch part of high crime inner city area. This was in freaking Frisco.

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I carry every day very near this area of Frisco, but mainly because of people like Karmello.

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Would you use your weapon to defend yourself if someone like Karmelo put their hands on you preemptively over something stupid and arbitrary?

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If a weapon was used to kill someone that put hands on you as described by Karmelo then expect time in Huntsville.

Tramp96 said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Tramp96 said:

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You don't bring a knife large enough to kill a person to a track meet unless you have some intent to use it.

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And how large is that, exactly?

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It's not a swiss army pocket knife is my point.

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I'm not sure how you know that. Even then, there are plenty of non-Swiss Army, folding pocket knives carried on a daily basis that are "large enough kill a person".

This whole situation makes me both sick and enraged

chickencoupe16 said:

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Tramp96 said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Tramp96 said:

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You don't bring a knife large enough to kill a person to a track meet unless you have some intent to use it.

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And how large is that, exactly?

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It's not a swiss army pocket knife is my point.

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I'm not sure how you know that. Even then, there are plenty of non-Swiss Army, folding pocket knives carried on a daily basis that are "large enough kill a person".

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You can kill someone with a scalpel blade that's a 1/2" long. It really boils down to your intentions. His intentions were to stab somebody,

sam callahan said:

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The defense can only dream that the jury will be as pedantic as some of the discussion here.

I don't care if he killed him with a bic pen. He murdered him.

I don't care what the argument was about. He murdered him.

I don't care whose tent who was in. He murdered him.

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This should be everyone's sentiment. Great ending to this thread imo, and I will now remove my bookmark.