prepyag knows how his mom ****s?

No wonder this kid is so ****ed in the head.

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Well, as best as I could tell Duncan had his minutes managed properly and didn't need to take a week off in the middle of a season to "get in shape".

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You see, even with Dirk taking a week off an Duncan having his minutes managed properly, Dirk still seemed to play in more games.

And yes ther are plenty of othe posts on this thread and the playoff predictions thread where you bring up Dirk taking the week off.

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prepyag knows how his mom ****s?

No wonder this kid is so ****ed in the head.

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All joking aside, watch your mouth about my mother...you pushing it to a whole new level and it's uncalled for.

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You see, even with Dirk taking a week off an Duncan having his minutes managed properly, Dirk still seemed to play in more games.

And yes ther are plenty of othe posts on this thread and the playoff predictions thread where you bring up Dirk taking the week off.

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Congratulations on Dirk playing in more games...but I was under the impression that the objective of the NBA was the amount of games you win, not play in. Last time I check the Spurs were in the 2nd round w/ the West's best record and teh Mavs got sweep in round one as a 7 seed. Which would you rather have?

And the reason it keeps getting brought is when you keep saying the spurs are to old and their window is closed. I'm merely pointing out that your fearless leader had to take time to get back into shape...not sure, but that's not a good sign is it?

I believe I can speak for everyone when I say that the last few dozen posts have enlightened us all on the subject of basketball. I personally want to thank all who have contributed.

Good read at CBS Sports.

In spite of all the hell he has raised, I can't help but get the feeling next year Howard will end up pulling a DWill and re-sign with the Magic. The CBA is just too slanted towards the home team re-signing the star players (5 year deals versus 4 year deals).

Maybe the Mavs and Orlando can do some sort of sign and trade deal. But who would the Mavs trade? I'm still not clear on Cuban and Nelson's strategy. Cube wants the flexibility for sign and trade deals. Okay, but you have to have players to trade. Signing guys to one year deals gives you flexibility to compete for FAs but not flexibility for trades.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/19645974/while-cba-cramps-some-teams-cuban-learns-how-to-rebuild-mavericks

Mavs resigned West. Wet Willies for everyone

Calm down Prepy, I just simply pointed out that Dirk played more than Duncan. I never said anything about who was better and who won more games. Don't get all butthurt about it

Just curious is Yi still under contract aka on the team?

He's a free agent. Not on the team right now.

Ok he's carrying the Olympic flag for China - thought it might be the second Mav to carry his nations flag (Dirk the first) which has to be an NBA record.

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Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA

If Howard gets to free agency in '13 without having been traded to Nets or Lakers, Dallas is overwhelming favorite to sign him, sources say.

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA

Howard's camp has consistently warned Houston not to trade for him, that he'd march right into Dallas' cap space next summer.

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As flaky as Dwight is he might truly believe this - and change his mind 5 times before next year.

If his stupid ass hadn't have signed (sorry, been tricked or blackmailed into signing) his option for this year he'd already be in a Mavs jersey.

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For the post and resigning West.

He gives us a solid back-up at the 1 and 2, and he is a good defender on the wing. Plus, I think a team needs a crazy guy to liven things up a little (like Stevenson did).

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Howard's camp has consistently warned Houston not to trade for him, that he'd march right into Dallas' cap space next summer.

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As the villain in the James Bond movies would saying, "Hmmm. Berry interesting. Berry berry interesting."

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When one team has the best record in the Western Conference, while the other gets sweep out of 1st round of the playoffs behind a superstar that needed a week off to "get in shape"...then yeah, that's sounds about right.

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The problem is that you bring up Dirk's numbers and cite his age while referencing the Spurs without commenting that both Duncan and Ginobili have posted two years of career lows in a row.

The Spurs have the benefit of having 2 aging stars (one of whom is the best PF ever to play the game) and Tony Toilet Paper as well as Popp. But you can't cite Dirk's age without recognizing what's going on with Duncan and Ginobili. Referencing team records is a strawman argument when I'm explicitly referring to age issues.



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And you really have to put an asterisk next to that best record in the Western Conference remark. Last year was crazy with the lockout. We'll see how the Spurs perform this year when everyone has a full off-season and full regular season to get things in order.

Due to the lockout, Odom, and yes Dirk let himself go after getting the championship, the Mavs were a work in progress all the way up to the playoffs. And even then they still could have won 3 of the 4 they lost to the eventual Western Conference champs.

The Lakers and OKC are top dawgs. Everything else is really anyone guess at this point.

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The problem is that you bring up Dirk's numbers and cite his age while referencing the Spurs without commenting that both Duncan and Ginobili have posted two years of career lows in a row.

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It should probably be noted that the Spurs had the best record in the NBA last year, so both players were afforded more rest. Per minute, Duncan and Ginobili were still extremely effective.

Duncan put up a PER of 22.5, slightly off his career mark of 24.7 but still better than Dirk's PER of 21.7 last year. Duncan's per-36 numbers of 19.7/11.5/2.9/1.9/.8 on .492/.695 are not far off his career averages of 20.6/11.5/3.1/2.3/.8 and .507/.688.

Ginobili struggled with injuries last year, but put up a PER of 24.1 when he did play. A clip higher than his career PER of 21.8. Ginobili's per-36 numbers were 20.0/5.3/6.9 on .526/.413/.871 are all noticeably to significantly better than his career marks of 19.6/5.1/5.1 on .452/.373/.835. Ginobili's FG and 3FG% both represent career highs. Ginobili's PER of 24.1 was better than Derrick Rose and Russel Westbrook. Duncan's ranked 13th.

Dirk's numbers per-36 were 23.2/7.3/2.4/.7/.5 on .457/.368/.896 compared to his career marks of 22.7/8.2/2.6/.9/1.0 on .475/.380/.878 and his PER was 21.7 compared to career average of 23.6.


And again, Duncan did play less minutes per game than ever before, but how many minutes did you need him to play? The Spurs still had the best record in the NBA? I'm happy to let the old guys sit out the 4th quarter of blowouts.

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And you really have to put an asterisk next to that best record in the Western Conference remark.

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The entire league was on equal footing. If anything, the lockout hurt the Spurs more because of all the back to back to backs and crazy compact schedule the NBA did. That schedule hurts the older players a lot more than the young guns like Westbrook or James.

Dirk choosing to pull a Shaq and show up fat shouldn't discredit the Spurs from playing historically good.

We need to get a Spurs/GS bat symbol like we have for Plano and OU.

Just trying to make sure you guys have accurate information to base your opinions. I would hate to allow my fellow Ags to wallow in ignorance.

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The entire league was on equal footing.

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Hardly. Having very little turnover and great system gave the Spurs a HUGE head start. Pop took advantage of this and got them to the Western Finals for the first time since '05.

Obviously, having turnover with losing 3 of its top 7 players in the rotation (Chandler, Barrera and Stevenson), not having the normal time to practice its Zone, having to deal with Odom drama and having less time to deal with the letdown that all champions have hurt the Mavs.

We're on equal footing this year. Let's see if the Spurs end up the #1 seed and the Mavs the #7 again. I really doubt the Spurs end up better than 3 or the Mavs lower than 6.

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Hardly. Having very little turnover and great system gave the Spurs a HUGE head start.

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The Spurs started the season 13-9. Not exactly a huge head start. Factor that in with the injuries, Jefferson trade and line-up changes, what they did was pretty impressive. And as far as the asterisk goes, they also had the best record in the west a year before.

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But to get back to the topic, I think the Mavs are a best case 5-seed in my opinion.

Spurs can take the #1 seed. They obviously can't do anything with it.

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They obviously can't do anything with it.

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You're the brilliant one, right?

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Hardly. Having very little turnover and great system gave the Spurs a HUGE head start.

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Starting 13-9 isn't exactly a HUGE head start.

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Pop took advantage of this and got them to the Western Finals for the first time since '05.

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I guess Mav fans ignore the 2007 season when they choked to the 8 seed, despite one of the best records in NBA history.

Because in 2007, this happened:

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Obviously, having turnover with losing 3 of its top 7 players in the rotation (Chandler, Barrera and Stevenson), not having the normal time to practice its Zone, having to deal with Odom drama and having less time to deal with the letdown that all champions have hurt the Mavs.

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The Mavs mailed in last year when they decided not to resign Chandler. They were irrelevant when talking about the contenders of the NBA.

The Spurs also changed out 3 players from their rotation. Antonio McDyess, Richard Jefferson and George Hill all gone. Replace them with Diaw, Stephen Jackson, KLeonard, Patty Mills and Danny Green.

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We're on equal footing this year.

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Wait, no. You just said turning over 3 of your top 7 players kept the Mavs from being on equal footing. The Mavs just lost Jason Terry, Jason Kidd, Brenden Haywood, Brandon Wright and Ian Mahinmi. The Mavs need another * season, because they can't be expected to gel immediately after so much turnover on the team.

Make up your mind.

No training camp last year.

There is a training camp this year.

And all your ring trash talk means nothing to me. Mavs have one now and are more recently NBA champs. And that ring was 10x more impressive than any spurs championships.

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You said the Spurs can't do anything with the #1 seed. The Spurs have 4 titles with this star+coach combo.

You are a moron.

Yes the Spurs won in 07 when Dallas lost to GS. But Dallas did win in 11 when the Spurs lost to the Grizz as a 1 seed. Therefore that argument is irrelevant.

When someone says the Spurs haven't made it to the WCF since 2005, but they won the ****ing championship in 2007, the argument stands.

Where did all the intelligent Mavs fans go? Orbit, save us all.

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Not just lost to them. They got tore up by Memphis.

Sorry GS. Forgot about '07, as did most people. You guys beat James and nobody. Congrats. We beat James, Wade and Bosh. Nobody will ever forget '11.

And if I'm not mistaken Rudy Gay was out the whole series.

Guys, Manu was hurt in 2011. Otherwise the Spurs were the clear favorite for the title. We'll just pretend Caron Butler didn't exist that year, for the sake of the argument.

I think you're right.

I went back and looked at Mayo's stats for the first four games. 27 in game 1 when he started, but 0 in game 2, 9 in game 3, and 17 in game 4 when he came off the bench. Hopefully he and Collison repond to the challenge of starting again.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2011/matchup/_/teams/grizzlies-spurs