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Prepy, I don't have a dog in this fight but you do look a little foolish with your comments.

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The Nazis looked a little hateful towards Jews.

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Prepy, I don't have a dog in this fight but you do look a little foolish with your comments. I don't think the Mavs are a championship level team, but I don't think the Spurs are either. They are both playoff teams that go out in the first, maybe second round.

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I guess I should tone down my comments, because if you think I'm a little foolish, you should check out the comments I respond to.

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As for the dirk comments, I think it is silly to say that about him, but I could see how someone would have the opinion that he is the best offensive player in the game. He simply changes the game perhaps more than any other player today. Go small, and he goes over you. Go big and he goes around you. Very similar to putting Lebron at point guard. You have to choose where to take your medicine. What would keep him from being the best offensive player in the game for me would be his passing skills . If I had to choose best offensive player it would probably be Durant. He has a couple more years of maturing to do, but he can do everythng dirk can now.

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Really? So you can say with a straight face the Dirk is the best offensive player in the game today? I'm sorry, but I just can't argue with that kind of statement, because w/ players like Lebron, Kobe, Durant, and Rose playing right now, to even say that Dirk is in the top 5 offensive players if borderline criminal.

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No, what's foolish is a mav fan saying that Dirk is the best offensive player in the game today...that's not even foolish, just plain stupid. Couple that with the previous comments that liter basketball other to include Dirk is a top 20 player all time, Dirk's better than Bird, and the mavs are a championship organization, and I'm pretty sure mav fans have the market cornered with Foolish statements.

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You said Dirk = Rasheed Wallace.

Your opinion doesn't count anymore. Stop posting.

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You said Dirk = Rasheed Wallace.

Your opinion doesn't count anymore. Stop posting.

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Is that what I said? Because I thought I said:

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He and Rasheed Wallace have the same amount of rings

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Perhaps you should read the post instead of piggy packing on what other mis-informed mav fans have said.

You know who else has 1 ring? Adam Morrison.

There's a lot of stupid on this page. Do yall really get your jollies trolling Mavs threads on an A&M fan site?

Sounds like a sweet life.

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You know who else has 1 ring? Adam Morrison

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Exactly...so for all the "Dirk is 26/10 in the playoffs" talk, he still only have as many rings as Rasheed Wallace and Adam Morrison. Just saying...

She took the bait.

Nah, Just pointed out the savior of Maverick basketball has as many rings as Adam Morrison.

But it's ok...Collison, Kaman, and Brand will get him another one this season. (Classic)

Since when is winning one ring something to be ashamed of? Only three teams have come out of the west since 99 before last year and each of these teams has always been more stacked than the mavs.

The one year his teammates step up on a regular basis, the mavs win the championship.

The biggest criticism of Dirk was that he hasn't won a ring and people said a Dirk-led team would never win a championship.

He proves all the haters wrong and now, "He's only won one ring! Big deal."

Gotta be cus Dirk's white and european. That's the only conclusion I can make because these dirk haters aint making no sense.

Only four players average over 25 points and 10 rebound in the playoffs.

I believe Dirk, Duncan and Barkley are in there. Not sure about the 4th. I believe it's Elgin Baylor.

Yes, Dirk Nowitzki is IN THAT CLASS.

I don't believe it. '11 was a fluke. Just like the '06 Finals was a fluke. The Mavs were lucky to win 2 against the Heat that year. Heck, the last eleven years have all been flukes. The Mavs were lucky to make the playoffs in any of them, let alone all eleven.

-- prepy

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Since when is winning one ring something to be ashamed of? Only three teams have come out of the west since 99 before last year and each of these teams has always been more stacked than the mavs.

The one year his teammates step up on a regular basis, the mavs win the championship.

The biggest criticism of Dirk was that he hasn't won a ring and people said a Dirk-led team would never win a championship.

He proves all the haters wrong and now, "He's only won one ring! Big deal."

Gotta be cus Dirk's white and european. That's the only conclusion I can make because these dirk haters aint making no sense.

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I never said winning one ring was something to be ashamed of, but I do know that winning one ring doesn't make you a Legend (except on texags of course.)

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Only four players average over 25 points and 10 rebound in the playoffs.

I believe Dirk, Duncan and Barkley are in there. Not sure about the 4th. I believe it's Elgin Baylor.

Yes, Dirk Nowitzki is IN THAT CLASS.

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Good for him...and all that production has gotten him 1 ring, numerous first round exits, one of a few 1 seeds to lose to an 8, and swept out last year in the first round.

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I don't believe it. '11 was a fluke. Just like the '06 Finals was a fluke. The Mavs were lucky to win 2 against the Heat that year. Heck, the last eleven years have all been flukes. The Mavs were lucky to make the playoffs in any of them, let alone all eleven.

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Dirk is the greatest player to ever live...he's Bird mixed with Jordan and Wilt all wrapped into one. The mavs, despite losing muliple times in the first rounds are a championship franchise a kin to the likes of the Lakers, Celtics, and Spurs. Dirk's only rival is himself and the mavs will win another ring in 2012.

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Only four players average over 25 points and 10 rebound in the playoffs.

I believe Dirk, Duncan and Barkley are in there. Not sure about the 4th. I believe it's Elgin Baylor.

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Pretty sure Duncan isn't in that group.

I like boys in my pants


- Prepyag

Offensively, Dirk in his prime is absolutely in the same category. Rose can create his own shot. He can pass. I don't think he is better offensively. Lebron is a beast. He can do it all. Durant is Dirk with athleticism. Kobe can play three different positions much like Dirk can. Not sure he is all that much more offensively than Dirk.

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Pretty sure Duncan isn't in that group.

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I don't care...I'm not a spurs fan. What do do know about Duncan is that while he's not in the group, he is in the group of players w/ mulitple rings. Which group do you think Dirk would like to belong to? The 26/10 group, or the mulitple championship group? Honest question...

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Seriously, you're creepy, but with a name like "Jerry" I can see why.

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Offensively, Dirk in his prime is absolutely in the same category. Rose can create his own shot. He can pass. I don't think he is better offensively. Lebron is a beast. He can do it all. Durant is Dirk with athleticism. Kobe can play three different positions much like Dirk can. Not sure he is all that much more offensively than Dirk.

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It looks like we can agree that Durant and Lebron are better than Dirk based on your comments so he's already not the best offensive player in the league.

So, in your mind a player (Rose) that has averaged more points and assists the past 2 season while playing a more demanding position isn't the better player?

And you're comparing Dirk to Kobe now? In what categories? because the only one Dirk is better than Kobe in his height...

So the Mavs have been to the Nba playoffs 12 straight years, lost in the first round in 5 of those years, went to conf finals 3 times, nba finals twice, and won a championship and you think they should be ashamed? There are about 30 cities out there hoping for a run like that.

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because the only one Dirk is better than Kobe in his height...

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Dirk has Kobe destroyed in times accused of rape.

However they seem to be about even in BSC girls banged.

I simply said I can see how someone could make an argument. I also said Durant is the best offensive player in my opinion.

Kobe is a great player. Kobe can't play center for his team. Dirk allows his team to play with 4 guards. Dirk can play 2-5. Kobe can play 1- maybe 3 positions. I would trade Dirk for Kobe all day, but we are talking offensively. I can respect that someone believes Kobe is better. Rose? No. Not yet anyway.

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Actually Dirk did play on the wing early in his career. Nash was at the 1, Finley the 2, Dirk the 3, Juan Howard at 4 and Bradley at 5. He's obviously more well suited at the 4 since he lacks the speed to guard the small forwards.

That was never a regular thing, though. The Spurs also started David Robinson at SF for 20-30 games, but I wouldn't say Robinson was a 3-5. And Dirk certainly was not a 2-5. That ranks up with the most ridiculous things on this thread, which would be a really long list.

Uh yeah, it was a regular thing for the first couple of seasons. Dirk was playing mostly the 3 early on. It wasn't until around '02 that he started playing more PF than SF. After Howard, Najera was at the 4, who gave Karl Malone fits.

And the 3 isn't that much different than the 2, so the statement wasn't that ridiculous, at least it wouldn't have been 10 years ago. Although it does seem odd now since we don't see Dirk playing SF, and rightly so.

I swear some of you Mav fans could convince yourselves of anything if it would help Dirk's legacy.

Dirk playing 2 is beyond ridiculous. He played some three, but he wasn't that great at three because he just wasn't quick enough. When the Mavs had Howard, Nellie was having them go small a lot to have Dirk at 5 and trot out the lineup of Nash/EIsley/Fin/Howard/Dirk then when Howard was traded for NVE, they would do the Nash/NVE/Finley/Dirk/Raef. The Pre-NVE Mavs basically had Nash/Davis/Eisley/Finley/Buckner getting the PG/SG/SF minutes with Dirk getting some SF, some PF and some C. But he was never a great SF. He just never had the quickness for it.

Dirk is not a 2, nor a 3, and is barely passable as a 5. He should really only be playing the 4 unless the other team goes small.

Dirk works well as a five as long as you have a strong PF to go with him that can play defense on a pounder.

But really, Dirk is the prototypical stretch 4. Some spot duty at 3 by a coach that likes to toy with all kinds of crazy ideas and doesn't care about defense doesn't make Dirk a SF or SG. Dirk could play some SF when he was younger, but it wasn't at all a natural position for him. He just doesn't have the quickness and athleticism.

I would have loved to see the Mavs trot out a lineup with Dirk at 2. What would we have had? Bradley/Laettner/Howard/Dirk/Nash. That would have been ****ing hilarious.

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Dirk works well as a five as long as you have a strong PF to go with him that can play defense on a pounder.

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Wouldn't that make the other PF the 5? At least defensively.

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Not uncommon to guard a different position than you play. Shawn Marion was often the guy guarding Tony Parker, but that didn't make Marion a 1.

So you're saying Dirk can play the 5 so long as he doesn't have to guard a 5.

I'm saying Dirk can play basketball as long as he doesn't have to guard anyone.

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I simply said I can see how someone could make an argument. I also said Durant is the best offensive player in my opinion.

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So first you say that Lebron's a beast and Durant is a better Dirk, but you can see how that argument could be made? That doesn't make sense.

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Kobe is a great player. Kobe can't play center for his team. Dirk allows his team to play with 4 guards. Dirk can play 2-5. Kobe can play 1- maybe 3 positions. I would trade Dirk for Kobe all day, but we are talking offensively. I can respect that someone believes Kobe is better. Rose? No. Not yet anyway.

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And the 3 isn't that much different than the 2, so the statement wasn't that ridiculous, at least it wouldn't have been 10 years ago. Although it does seem odd now since we don't see Dirk playing SF, and rightly so.

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See, these are the comments that frequent basketball other. Dirk can play the 2-5? If by "play" you mean be in the lineup at that position you're right.

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I swear some of you Mav fans could convince yourselves of anything if it would help Dirk's legacy.

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You're about to be called a troll...wait for it, wait for it...

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I'm saying Dirk can play basketball as long as he doesn't have to guard anyone.

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