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It should probably be noted that the Spurs had the best record in the NBA last year, so both players were afforded more rest. Per minute, Duncan and Ginobili were still extremely effective.

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They were rested in the regular season mainly because they're old. They can't play high minutes anymore. That's a problem because in the playoffs their per minute production went down while the team choked away the 1 seed. They couldn't maintain the production with more minutes.

Contrast that to Dirk who has adapted his game the last 2 seasons to turn up his scoring in the playoffs like no one else I can think of. I would like to see stats on star players who increased their scoring from regular season to playoffs similar to Dirk the past 2 seasons.

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Contrast that to Dirk who has adapted his game the last 2 seasons to turn up his scoring in the playoffs like no one else I can think of. I would like to see stats on star players who increased their scoring from regular season to playoffs similar to Dirk the past 2 seasons

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Could it be that his ppg went up in the playoffs because his minutes per game went up as well?

In 2010-2011 season his production from regular season to the playoffs was 6 ppg, while his minutes went up in the playoffs as well by 5 minutes. Similarly, 2011-2012 was the same way; he played 5 more minutes per game in the playoffs but this time only scored an extra 4 ppg.

Usually when you play more minutes your points go up...I'm pretty sure that's a general practice among other superstars as well. But carry on...

My fault fightin, I didn't know that facts weren't welcome in the Dirk love section of this thread.

[This message has been edited by prepyag03 (edited 7/27/2012 10:18a).]

I know this is hard prep, but try to read the posts before having your typical knee-jerk Mav-hating response.

GS posted that per MINUTE Duncan and Ginobli are still effective. Internet then said that is due to them getting so much rest being the old tired players that they are. Dirk does not require the amount of rest that Duncan and Ginobli require.

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Could it be that his ppg went up in the playoffs because his minutes per game went up as well?

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Every star player sees their minutes increase in the playoffs. But not every star player increases their scoring. Please start listing star players who saw a greater increase in scoring in the playoffs than Dirk has the past 2 years.

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Every star player sees their minutes increase in the playoffs. But not every star player increases their scoring. Please start listing star players who saw a greater increase in scoring in the playoffs than Dirk has the past 2 years.

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Clearly, Dirk is the greatest that ever was or ever will be.

And off the top of my head, Rajon Rondo.
11: 32% increase in scoring
12: 45% increase in scoring

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Every star player sees their minutes increase in the playoffs. But not every star player increases their scoring. Please start listing star players who saw a greater increase in scoring in the playoffs than Dirk has the past 2 years

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In 2010 Dwight Howard went from 22.9 ppg in the regular season up to 27 ppg, but he also saw his rebounds and assists increase as well. In 2009 Derek Rose went from 20.8 ppg up to 26.8 while also increasing his assists. Dwayne Wade in 2009 went from 26.6 ppg up to 33.2. In 2011 Carmello Anthony went from 22.6 ppg up to 27.8 and in 2009 went from 22.8 up to 27.2.

It's not that difficult to increase you scoring when not only your minutes increase, but you also barly score over 20ppg. Not to mention that while Dirk's ppg increased marginally, his assists and rebounds decreased despite having his minutes increased.

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It's not that difficult to increase you scoring when not only your minutes increase, but you also barly score over 20ppg

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All those players you listed are top 5 caliber in the league. Putting Dirk in the same category as those players is helping your argument? Do some more research son or throw some more prepyag circular logic at us

GS hitching himself to prepyag. Match made in heaven.

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And off the top of my head, Rajon Rondo.
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I really doubt that was off the top of your head.

Specific numbers, no. That he stepped up and carried the Celtics, yes.

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All those players you listed are top 5 caliber in the league. Putting Dirk in the same category as those players is helping your argument? Do some more research son or throw some more prepyag circular logic at us

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I really doubt that was off the top of your head.

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As for Dirk, those were hard minutes too. Teams were keying on him. Terry would draw some attention, but nobody concerned themselves with the point or center last year.

Compare that to Duncan, Ginobli and Parker. Which of the three are teams keying on?

This will be the first season I can recall where teams will have to worry about the 4 non-Dirk positions. Collison, Mayo, Marion and Kaman all can all average double digits. Likewise, Brand, West, Wright and Carter can give you some offense off the bench.

My intial guess is that Mayo will kind of fill the role of Terry as the 2nd option. However, Kaman in the post should let Dirk have more room on the wing to launch 3s, as will Collison driving to the hole and kicking out to the wing. And, of course, Dirk on the wing will open Kaman down low and Collison for some easy layups.

Teams are not going to find it as easy to plan for the Mavs this year as they did last year. That's pretty obvious.

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All those players you listed are top 5 caliber in the league. Putting Dirk in the same category as those players is helping your argument? Do some more research son or throw some more prepyag circular logic at us

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Well the question was...:

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Every star player sees their minutes increase in the playoffs. But not every star player increases their scoring. Please start listing star players who saw a greater increase in scoring in the playoffs than Dirk has the past 2 years.

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...so I listed star players. In no way am I saying Dirk is as good or better than those players, but I was asked to list star players and those players are stars.

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As for Dirk, those were hard minutes too. Teams were keying on him. Terry would draw some attention, but nobody concerned themselves with the point or center last year.

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And there it is; the "well dirk does it by himself" excuse. That train's never late with maverick fans. It's amazing, one of you wants a list of names that compares to Dirk's "epic" increase in playoff points so you get it. Then it's "well those guys are top 5 in the league so I guess Dirk is too" BS...now it's "well, those were hard minutes so they count more"...always an excuse.

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My intial guess is that Mayo will kind of fill the role of Terry as the 2nd option. However, Kaman in the post should let Dirk have more room on the wing to launch 3s, as will Collison driving to the hole and kicking out to the wing. And, of course, Dirk on the wing will open Kaman down low and Collison for some easy layups.

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Ok, I don't even know where to start so let's start at the beginning. Mayo may be the first scoring options off of the bench, but he won't be Jason Terry. And Kaman down low? Really? The man averages 11 ppg when he's actually on the floor. And Collison driving to the hole to the tune of what? 10ppg last season? Come on now...you're really, really reaching.

11ppg from our starting center and 10ppg from our starting point gaurd would be huge improvements from last year.

Its not hard to suggest that with an AVERAGE scoring option at Center (Kaman) and point gaurd (Collison) that Dirk's life might become a bit easier.

Have you seen the scoring that Mavs have gotten from the center position recently?

Not sure why we continue to feed this troll. This thread is his favorite hobby.

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11ppg from our starting center and 10ppg from our starting point gaurd would be huge improvements from last year.

Its not hard to suggest that with an AVERAGE scoring option at Center (Kaman) and point gaurd (Collison) that Dirk's life might become a bit easier

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Have you seen the scoring that Mavs have gotten from the center position recently?

Not sure why we continue to feed this troll. This thread is his favorite hobby

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You do realize that Haywood less than 5 pts and 2 rebounds per game behind Kaman while playing 6 less minutes per game right? A whooping 5 ppg and 2 rpg will be the difference for the mavs? Really? Um, ok then

You're right, going from 5.2 ppg last year at center to 13.1 ppg won't help at all.

No intelligent person can look at Haywood to Kaman and not see immediately that it is a significant upgrade.

I don't know where your getting 11 points but Kaman averaged 13 points Prep. Facts are facts. And yes 5 points can be the difference between winning and losing. someone with so much knowledge of sports like you should know that one.

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You're right, going from 5.2 ppg last year at center to 13.1 ppg won't help at all

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I don't know where your getting 11 points but Kaman averaged 13 points Prep. Facts are facts. And yes 5 points can be the difference between winning and losing. someone with so much knowledge of sports like you should know that one.

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http://www.nba.com/playerfile/chris_kaman/

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/brendan_haywood/

Per the links above, Chris Kaman and Brendan Hayword averages 11.9 & 7.2 ppg for their careers. Factts are facts right.

And if you really think that 5 ppg will be the difference for the Mavs next season, then you didn't watch the whole season. The center position offensively was not the reason you barely slipped into the playoffs or got swept out.

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No intelligent person can look at Haywood to Kaman and not see immediately that it is a significant upgrade.

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I guess when you're a mavs fan adding 4.7 ppg is a "significant upgrade."

Kaman averaged 13ppg last year and 19ppg in his last full season. Haywood averaged 5ppg last year and 4ppg in his last full season. Career high of 10.6ppg.

Clear, unquestionable upgrade in talent. Only thing you have to worry about is injuries with Kaman.

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And Collison driving to the hole to the tune of what? 10ppg last season?.

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So you're going to use Kamans career stats against what he did last year because there not as good. But you're using collisions stats from last season because there not as good as his career stats. At least be consistent. C'mon now

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Kaman averaged 13ppg last year and 19ppg in his last full season. Haywood averaged 5ppg last year and 4ppg in his last full season. Career high of 10.6ppg.

Clear, unquestionable upgrade in talent. Only thing you have to worry about is injuries with Kaman

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The only thing? How about the biggest thing you have to worry about with Kaman. His last full season was in 2009-2010 and before that it was 2006-2007. In fact, of his 9 years in the league he's played a "full" season (relatively speaking) 4 times. Let that sink in for a minute...and you want to count him in as a big part of your case for a maverick resurgence?

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So you're going to use Kamans career stats against what he did last year because there not as good. But you're using collisions stats from last season because there not as good as his career stats. At least be consistent. C'mon now

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You're right...my mistake. Instead of 10.3 he averages 12.1, an increase of not even 2 ppg. OOOOHHH, I see what you mean. That less than 2 ppg adjustment made a huge difference

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Well the question was...:

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...so I listed star players. In no way am I saying Dirk is as good or better than those players, but I was asked to list star players and those players are stars.

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Youre avoiding the question and using failed logic (again). You said its easy to increase your playoff scoring like Dirk does when you barely average 20ppg. Then you listed some top 5 caliber stars. Let's see a list of non-stars or stars that clearly arent on Dirks level. Because if Dirk can increase his ppg by 5 then any 20 ppg scorer can

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So now the difference between our centers from last year are 8 points and 2rebounds and the difference from our points guards are 4 points and the same amount of assists. So the total difference is 12 points. How much difference will 12 points make in a game Prepy?

prepy is just straight up trolling now. And I'm a Rockets fan.

I'm just enjoying that he hates Dallas so much that hes doing all this alleged research on a July Friday afternoon

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Kaman averaged 13ppg last year and 19ppg in his last full season. Haywood averaged 5ppg last year and 4ppg in his last full season. Career high of 10.6ppg.

Clear, unquestionable upgrade in talent. Only thing you have to worry about is injuries with Kaman.

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Clear upgrade offensively. Downgrade defensively.

Prepyag here's a list of every player who averaged 20ppg for his career the past 35 years to get you started

http://bkref.com/tiny/vVD8F

Mark Aguirre is the cutoff point. Nice!