Don't forget the comment earlier where the guy said Gallo is better than Springer.
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mazag08 said:
Don't forget the comment earlier where the guy said Gallo is better than Springer.
This season he has been....
gigem1223 said:mazag08 said:
Don't forget the comment earlier where the guy said Gallo is better than Springer.
This season he has been....
I guess that's why America collectively voted Gallo onto his couch to watch Springer start in the Midsummer Classic.
He's gonna be watching from his couch?titanmaster_race said:gigem1223 said:mazag08 said:
Don't forget the comment earlier where the guy said Gallo is better than Springer.
This season he has been....
I guess that's why America collectively voted Gallo onto his couch to watch Springer start in the Midsummer Classic.
Bench*
Oh btw..
Astros vs teams .500 or better: 30-21
Rangers vs teams .500 or better: 17-21
Yall have 16 games in July, 10 in August, and 20 in September (6 against that Yankees team yall think is the second coming) against teams currently .500 or better.
There's a better chance of yall finishing in 4th place in the division than 1st.
Congrats on being in second place after playing all the patsies.
Astros vs teams .500 or better: 30-21
Rangers vs teams .500 or better: 17-21
Yall have 16 games in July, 10 in August, and 20 in September (6 against that Yankees team yall think is the second coming) against teams currently .500 or better.
There's a better chance of yall finishing in 4th place in the division than 1st.
Congrats on being in second place after playing all the patsies.
titanmaster_race said:gigem1223 said:mazag08 said:
Don't forget the comment earlier where the guy said Gallo is better than Springer.
This season he has been....
I guess that's why America collectively voted Gallo onto his couch to watch Springer start in the Midsummer Classic.
And the players voted him onto the team.
You seriously just use a popularity vote to back your statement? Lmao
Surely there are some "super saber stats" or something that can tell us Springer has been better this year.
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You seriously just use a popularity vote to back your statement? Lmao
You are surprised? The most ignorant fans in the history of pro sports are from Houston.
Ag on Ag violence... just like every other thread on TexAgs.
I love Texas Aggie sports, but I love Texas A&M more.
I'll give yal Gallo. The poor mans trout. Putting up huge numbers on a team with no direction and stuck in .500 purgatory:
irish pete ag06 said:
I'll give yal Gallo. The poor mans trout. Putting up huge numbers on a team with no direction and stuck in .500 purgatory:
That's the sweetest thing any Astro's fan has ever said on here.
I'm betting that Astros fans are a big part of the reason Pence got the DH nod. Having three fan bases vote for you helps a ton.
If only they didn't trot out Rougie and his wRC+ of 58 at every opportunity. Think of where they might be if they didn't have that black hole of a contract. Good thing he's only signed through 2022.irish pete ag06 said:
I'll give yal Gallo. The poor mans trout. Putting up huge numbers on a team with no direction and stuck in .500 purgatory:
Pence got the DH nod because of the national league vote.Danny Vermin said:
I'm betting that Astros fans are a big part of the reason Pence got the DH nod. Having three fan bases vote for you helps a ton.
I've been saying all along that the Rangers front office should bench Odor or send him down to the minors to work on things.mathguy86 said:If only they didn't trot out Rougie and his wRC+ of 58 at every opportunity. Think of where they might be if they didn't have that black hole of a contract. Good thing he's only signed through 2022.irish pete ag06 said:
I'll give yal Gallo. The poor mans trout. Putting up huge numbers on a team with no direction and stuck in .500 purgatory:
Altuve > Odor
It's not close. Sadly.
With that said, we gave you guys our offensive catcher and replaced him with Mathis who can't hit, we've received pretty much no production from 2nd base, and our lineup still has more runs scored then yours?
Ouch.
Yes, congratulations on outscoring the AAA lineup we trotted out for a month.
But I hate to break it to you sport, runs scored means doodleysquat if you can't stop the other team from scoring. You might pay attention to runs allowed as well, where you have given up 100 more. And of course the all important runs differential, which correlates pretty well with the all important big ol' W-L record.
And thanks for the catcher by the way. He's exceeded all of our expectations.
Edit. Feel free to cheer for his while he takes a break from not making his first ASG because MLB is ****ing stupid.
But I hate to break it to you sport, runs scored means doodleysquat if you can't stop the other team from scoring. You might pay attention to runs allowed as well, where you have given up 100 more. And of course the all important runs differential, which correlates pretty well with the all important big ol' W-L record.
And thanks for the catcher by the way. He's exceeded all of our expectations.
Edit. Feel free to cheer for his while he takes a break from not making his first ASG because MLB is ****ing stupid.
mathguy86 said:
Yes, congratulations on outscoring the AAA lineup we trotted out for a month. .
Not a valid excuse. The Rangers went through stretches with out Gallo, Pence and Andrus. Sorry your lineup hasn't met expectations.
gigem1223 said:mathguy86 said:
Yes, congratulations on outscoring the AAA lineup we trotted out for a month. .
Not a valid excuse. The Rangers went through stretches with out Gallo, Pence and Andrus. Sorry your lineup hasn't met expectations.
Exactly
Ours hasn't and your has and we're still 6.5 up on you losers.
Imagine the bloodbath it's gonna be when we are meeting expectations.
Chirinos didn't make the ASG.....
Yes, we have expectations. We expect to win the Division, win the ALCS and play in and win the WS. Right now we are headed to meet those goals. And we are doing it while batting 4 guys from AAA, plus Tyler White (who by the way is so bad that he makes the production from your boy Rougie look positively Ruthian in comparison). We have managed to overcome our deficiencies and stay right there at the top of the heap.gigem1223 said:mathguy86 said:
Yes, congratulations on outscoring the AAA lineup we trotted out for a month. .
Not a valid excuse. The Rangers went through stretches with out Gallo, Pence and Andrus. Sorry your lineup hasn't met expectations.
I suspect your boys expect to be swinging golf clubs Oct 1. That will give them more time to learn to play the high bounces on the plastic grass they will be playing on next year in their concert venue that will occasionally double as a baseball stadium.
Da fuq? I didn't even look yesterday. I simply assumed he would.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I keep hearing you guys repeat this so I decided to look into things (I don't follow the Rangers enough to know anything about your injury history)... You're a moron if you believe that these injuries haven't impacted the Astros more. You're also a moron if you wouldn't take our lineup when fully healthy (go look at the stats as of late May when ALL of our injuries happened at the same time.gigem1223 said:mathguy86 said:
Yes, congratulations on outscoring the AAA lineup we trotted out for a month. .
Not a valid excuse. The Rangers went through stretches with out Gallo, Pence and Andrus. Sorry your lineup hasn't met expectations.
ASTROS
Altuve - 50 GP, out for a month and a week, from mid May, to Late June
Springer - 54 GP, out for a month from late May to late June
Correa - 50 GP, out from late May until now
Diaz - 32 GP, out from late May until now (literally the same day as Correa)
That's only addressing the major injuries. And they ALL overlapped for about 4-5 weeks. Those top three players are all better than anyone on your team except Gallo.
RANGERS
Gallo - 56 GP, out for ~3 weeks in June
Pence - 55 GP, out for ~2 weeks in June, hadn't missed any time until the last two weeks or so. Grand total of 10 calendar days of overlap with Gallo.
Andrus - 73 GP, out for about ~1-1.5 weeks in May (no overlap with these other two injuries) - hardly worth even mentioning on this post it was so short
And we're not even talking about our pitching injuries. People are starting to get healthy, so have fun finishing double digit games back in the division again.
So stop with the bull**** comparison. The injury bug has been MUCH worse for the Astros. Now injuries are part of the game, so we need to overcome that (and obviously aren't doing TOO bad if we're still up 6.5 games on your merry band of losers)... Thankfully we have a ML-caliber pitching staff to pick up the slack.
Buck Compton said:Sorry to burst your bubble, but I keep hearing you guys repeat this so I decided to look into things (I don't follow the Rangers enough to know anything about your injury history)... You're a moron if you believe that these injuries haven't impacted the Astros more. You're also a moron if you wouldn't take our lineup when fully healthy (go look at the stats as of late May when ALL of our injuries happened at the same time.gigem1223 said:mathguy86 said:
Yes, congratulations on outscoring the AAA lineup we trotted out for a month. .
Not a valid excuse. The Rangers went through stretches with out Gallo, Pence and Andrus. Sorry your lineup hasn't met expectations.
ASTROS
Altuve - 50 GP, out for a month and a week, from mid May, to Late June
Springer - 54 GP, out for a month from late May to late June
Correa - 50 GP, out from late May until now
Diaz - 32 GP, out from late May until now (literally the same day as Correa)
That's only addressing the major injuries. And they ALL overlapped for about 4-5 weeks. Those top three players are all better than anyone on your team except Gallo.
RANGERS
Gallo - 56 GP, out for ~3 weeks in June
Pence - 55 GP, out for ~2 weeks in June, hadn't missed any time until the last two weeks or so. Grand total of 10 calendar days of overlap with Gallo.
Andrus - 73 GP, out for about ~1-1.5 weeks in May (no overlap with these other two injuries) - hardly worth even mentioning on this post it was so short
And we're not even talking about our pitching injuries. People are starting to get healthy, so have fun finishing double digit games back in the division again.
So stop with the bull**** comparison. The injury bug has been MUCH worse for the Astros. Now injuries are part of the game, so we need to overcome that (and obviously aren't doing TOO bad if we're still up 6.5 games on your merry band of losers)... Thankfully we have a ML-caliber pitching staff to pick up the slack.
So amidst your rambling you admit the Rangers have a better bench?
Well, do you want to address injuries to back-ups? Because I can go there, too.... And no bench in the major leagues can withstand concurrent injuries to 3 all-stars (including an MVP and a WS MVP). Notice how the Rangers injuries hardly overlapped.
The moral of the story is... hope you enjoyed the last month, because that's as bad a situation as we could have and we're still 6.5 up on you chumps.
The moral of the story is... hope you enjoyed the last month, because that's as bad a situation as we could have and we're still 6.5 up on you chumps.
Buck Compton said:
Well, do you want to address injuries to back-ups? Because I can go there, too.... And no bench in the major leagues can withstand concurrent injuries to 3 all-stars (including an MVP and a WS MVP). Notice how the Rangers injuries hardly overlapped.
The moral of the story is... hope you enjoyed the last month, because that's as bad a situation as we could have and we're still 6.5 up on you chumps.
Way to avoid the question . I'll answer it for you, the Rangers have one of the best performing benches in the majors, which is in large part a reason why they are doing much better than expected. Package that with very good situational hitting and that's why the Rangers have outscored the Astros.
You can keep acting like I'm saying the Rangers are better a better team though. The whole point I was trying to make was the Rangers bats have performed better. Not which team is better. Now go ahead and tell me again about your 6.5 game lead, World Series title and how Houston has such a rich winning history.
Danny Vermin said:
I'm betting that Astros fans are a big part of the reason Pence got the DH nod. Having three fan bases vote for you helps a ton.
I voted for him in the finals.
Gallo 2019: 56 gamesgigem1223 said:mazag08 said:
Don't forget the comment earlier where the guy said Gallo is better than Springer.
This season he has been....
AVG - .286 HR - 20 RBI - 46
Springer 2019: 54 games
AVG - .306 HR - 19 RBI- 45
I'd give the edge to Springer given that he's batting 20 points higher and only has 1 less HR and RBI with 2 less games played than Gallo
also Gallo.... 83 strikeouts compared to Springer's 52
I wouldn't split hairs about who's had a better first half, Springer or Gallo. It doesn't matter. They're close. The difference is we have Bregman, Altuve, Brantley, Correa, Alvarez, & Chirinos all playing at a high level while y'all have Pence and I guess Calhoun (whoever that is).
tjholley16 said:Gallo 2019: 56 gamesgigem1223 said:mazag08 said:
Don't forget the comment earlier where the guy said Gallo is better than Springer.
This season he has been....
AVG - .286 HR - 20 RBI - 46
Springer 2019: 54 games
AVG - .306 HR - 19 RBI- 45
I'd give the edge to Springer given that he's batting 20 points higher and only has 1 less HR and RBI with 2 less games played than Gallo
also Gallo.... 83 strikeouts compared to Springer's 52
How bout stats that actually truly evaluate a players performance?
WAR
Gallo - 3.5
Springer - 2.6
wRC+
Gallo - 176
Springer - 164
OPS
Gallo - 1.109
Springer - 1.004
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Except that the normalized stat that describes runs created favors the Astros 118 - 98
wRC+ quantifies the most important part of a batter's job -- creating runs -- and normalizes it, so we can compare players who play in different ballparks and even different eras
Runs, Batting Average, even home runs are no longer the best statistics to describe offensive production
from http://m.mlb.com/glossary/advanced-stats/weighted-runs-created-plus
wRC+ takes the statistic Runs Created and adjusts that number to account for important external factors -- like ballpark or era. It's adjusted, so a wRC+ of 100 is league average and 150 would be 50 percent above league average.
For example, a player who plays his home games at hitter-friendly Coors Field will have a lower wRC+ than a player who posts identical stats at pitcher-friendly O.co Coliseum. The production of the player at Coors Field is deemed less impressive because of his ballpark's hitter-friendly nature.
The formula
(((wRAA per PA + league runs per PA) + (league runs per PA - ballpark factor x league runs per PA) / league wRC per plate appearance, not including pitchers)) x 100.
wRC+ quantifies the most important part of a batter's job -- creating runs -- and normalizes it, so we can compare players who play in different ballparks and even different eras
Runs, Batting Average, even home runs are no longer the best statistics to describe offensive production
from http://m.mlb.com/glossary/advanced-stats/weighted-runs-created-plus
wRC+ takes the statistic Runs Created and adjusts that number to account for important external factors -- like ballpark or era. It's adjusted, so a wRC+ of 100 is league average and 150 would be 50 percent above league average.
For example, a player who plays his home games at hitter-friendly Coors Field will have a lower wRC+ than a player who posts identical stats at pitcher-friendly O.co Coliseum. The production of the player at Coors Field is deemed less impressive because of his ballpark's hitter-friendly nature.
The formula
(((wRAA per PA + league runs per PA) + (league runs per PA - ballpark factor x league runs per PA) / league wRC per plate appearance, not including pitchers)) x 100.
Farmer1906 said:
I wouldn't split hairs about who's had a better first half, Springer or Gallo. It doesn't matter. They're close. The difference is we have Bregman, Altuve, Brantley, Correa, Alvarez, & Chirinos all playing at a high level while y'all have Pence and I guess Calhoun (whoever that is).
Not knowing who Calhoun is shows your ignorance regarding the Rangers. Andrus, Santana and Choo have all played very well too.
gigem1223 said:Farmer1906 said:
I wouldn't split hairs about who's had a better first half, Springer or Gallo. It doesn't matter. They're close. The difference is we have Bregman, Altuve, Brantley, Correa, Alvarez, & Chirinos all playing at a high level while y'all have Pence and I guess Calhoun (whoever that is).
Not knowing who Calhoun is shows your ignorance regarding the Rangers. Andrus, Santana and Choo have all played very well too.
Not caring who Calhoun is means he's an unproven prospect.
Andrus has been average, Santana has been slightly above average, & Choo has been good, but I had to draw the line somewhere otherwise I'd have to add Marisnick, Reddick, Diaz, etc.
Farmer1906 said:Grapesoda2525 said:Do you have a crystal ball?Farmer1906 said:
They did. The way they're currently constructed they'll never make it back. I feel bad for them.
I'm trying to imagine the thought of you calling the shots for an MLB team. That team would be the epitome of "going nowhere".
We really don't have a lot of money on the books for next season. The budget will expand, we will be a bigger player in free agency than we've been the last few years. It's not far fetched to think we could be even better next year.
It's not rocket science.
Y'all have a terrible farm.
Y'all have almost no recent history of developing your prospects.
Y'all arent loaded with much talent at the big league level. Y'all aren't bare either.
Y'all don't have enough enough of a payroll to just buy a bunch of top tier FAs. Who do you plan on making a play at? Kluber? Cole? JD? Tendon? Even if you do sign 2 (you won't) would it be enough to surpass Daddy or even NY? Very unlikely.
It's odd no one from Arlington responded to this. Guess the truth hurts.
Runs scored does not equal better bats. You were shown every offensive category where Houston is better, and guess what, you're only 30 runs higher, 456 to 426 at this point in the season. I'm interested to see where we're at by the end of the season after you face those pesky >.500 teams as someone has mentioned you will.gigem1223 said:Buck Compton said:
Well, do you want to address injuries to back-ups? Because I can go there, too.... And no bench in the major leagues can withstand concurrent injuries to 3 all-stars (including an MVP and a WS MVP). Notice how the Rangers injuries hardly overlapped.
The moral of the story is... hope you enjoyed the last month, because that's as bad a situation as we could have and we're still 6.5 up on you chumps.
Way to avoid the question . I'll answer it for you, the Rangers have one of the best performing benches in the majors, which is in large part a reason why they are doing much better than expected. Package that with very good situational hitting and that's why the Rangers have outscored the Astros.
You can keep acting like I'm saying the Rangers are better a better team though. The whole point I was trying to make was the Rangers bats have performed better. Not which team is better. Now go ahead and tell me again about your 6.5 game lead, World Series title and how Houston has such a rich winning history.
What's also funny is you guys keep saying the Dodgers, Yankees, and Twins would destroy us right now. Well, even when the significant injuries we've had, we're 3.5 games out on the Dodgers, 2.5 games out on the Yankees, and 1.5 games out on the Twins.
The next closet team to the Dodgers right now is the Braves at 6.5 games.
You guys are clearly doing better than I thought you would to this point. I'm just excited to see where you are when that record against >.500 teams come calling.
gigem1223 said:tjholley16 said:Gallo 2019: 56 gamesgigem1223 said:mazag08 said:
Don't forget the comment earlier where the guy said Gallo is better than Springer.
This season he has been....
AVG - .286 HR - 20 RBI - 46
Springer 2019: 54 games
AVG - .306 HR - 19 RBI- 45
I'd give the edge to Springer given that he's batting 20 points higher and only has 1 less HR and RBI with 2 less games played than Gallo
also Gallo.... 83 strikeouts compared to Springer's 52
How bout stats that actually truly evaluate a players performance?
WAR
Gallo - 3.5
Springer - 2.6
wRC+
Gallo - 176
Springer - 164
OPS
Gallo - 1.109
Springer - 1.004
I care more about the triple crown stats personally... I leave all the Sabremetrics to the GMs and people who move players around a roster. As a fan I don't care about those advanced stats... I care about how often do they hit the ball, drive in runs, and hit it out of the ballpark.
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