The Collective said:
So much angst about so many things... I'm just worried about being able to understand most of the dialogue.
I am as well. I just don't have the ear for hard Boston accents and that Kenyan clicking thing that they do.
The Collective said:
So much angst about so many things... I'm just worried about being able to understand most of the dialogue.
Thunderstruck xx said:
The reason we have these horrid casting decisions is obviously because Nolan must do it if he wants this movie to be considered for the Best Picture Oscar. So basically, you can all thank the Academy for this **** show, and Nolan for caving to this absurdity.
The Academy's rules for Best Picture consideration:
" Representation and Inclusion Standards
To promote diversity, the Academy has established representation standards for films vying for the Best Picture category. Films must meet at least two of the following four standards:
Standard/Description
A1 At least one lead or significant supporting actor from an underrepresented racial or ethnic group.
A2 At least 30% of all actors not submitted for Oscar consideration from at least two underrepresented groups (e.g., women, racial or ethnic groups, LGBTQ+, people with disabilities).
B1 The film's story must focus on underrepresented groups.
B2 The film's creative leadership team must include individuals from underrepresented groups."
CC09LawAg said:
This can't be real
Peter Piper said:Thunderstruck xx said:
The reason we have these horrid casting decisions is obviously because Nolan must do it if he wants this movie to be considered for the Best Picture Oscar. So basically, you can all thank the Academy for this **** show, and Nolan for caving to this absurdity.
The Academy's rules for Best Picture consideration:
" Representation and Inclusion Standards
To promote diversity, the Academy has established representation standards for films vying for the Best Picture category. Films must meet at least two of the following four standards:
Standard/Description
A1 At least one lead or significant supporting actor from an underrepresented racial or ethnic group.
A2 At least 30% of all actors not submitted for Oscar consideration from at least two underrepresented groups (e.g., women, racial or ethnic groups, LGBTQ+, people with disabilities).
B1 The film's story must focus on underrepresented groups.
B2 The film's creative leadership team must include individuals from underrepresented groups."
Why did you choose to not include all the criteria?
https://www.oscars.org/awards/representation-and-inclusion-standards
Seems like a low bar to meet.
And Oppenheimer had only one non-white actor.
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No mainstream movie has actually been disqualified from the Oscars under the new diversity rules, because the standards are designed to be easily met through behind-the-scenes studio operations. The Academy's Representation and Inclusion Standards (enacted for the Best Picture category) only require a film to check two out of four broad benchmarks.
Even if a movie features an entirely white, male cast and crew on-screen, it can easily qualify by meeting behind-the-scenes criteria. This includes Standard C (offering paid internships or training to underrepresented groups) and Standard D (having women or minorities on the studio's executive marketing and distribution teams).
Thunderstruck xx said:Peter Piper said:Thunderstruck xx said:
The reason we have these horrid casting decisions is obviously because Nolan must do it if he wants this movie to be considered for the Best Picture Oscar. So basically, you can all thank the Academy for this **** show, and Nolan for caving to this absurdity.
The Academy's rules for Best Picture consideration:
" Representation and Inclusion Standards
To promote diversity, the Academy has established representation standards for films vying for the Best Picture category. Films must meet at least two of the following four standards:
Standard/Description
A1 At least one lead or significant supporting actor from an underrepresented racial or ethnic group.
A2 At least 30% of all actors not submitted for Oscar consideration from at least two underrepresented groups (e.g., women, racial or ethnic groups, LGBTQ+, people with disabilities).
B1 The film's story must focus on underrepresented groups.
B2 The film's creative leadership team must include individuals from underrepresented groups."
Why did you choose to not include all the criteria?
https://www.oscars.org/awards/representation-and-inclusion-standards
Seems like a low bar to meet.
And Oppenheimer had only one non-white actor.
Those seemed like the relevant casting criteria. Hence why we have unattractive, vapid, and black Helen of Troy.
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He added, "For me, we're making the film for people who know nothing about Homer and this epic poem, and we make it for people who are very interested in that world and love it. You have to make it work for everybody."
veryfuller said:
We have been over this, ad nauseam. Those rules were put in place as a virtue signal without any real teeth. Please go back in time and tell us which movies would have been excluded from Oscar nominations because of these rules in the last 10 years. Oh wait thats because:Quote:
No mainstream movie has actually been disqualified from the Oscars under the new diversity rules, because the standards are designed to be easily met through behind-the-scenes studio operations. The Academy's Representation and Inclusion Standards (enacted for the Best Picture category) only require a film to check two out of four broad benchmarks.
Even if a movie features an entirely white, male cast and crew on-screen, it can easily qualify by meeting behind-the-scenes criteria. This includes Standard C (offering paid internships or training to underrepresented groups) and Standard D (having women or minorities on the studio's executive marketing and distribution teams).
1) the movie would meet these requirement without diversity casting. There are more than 30% speaking parts that are women in this movie, easily. The race of those women wouldn't matter to meet requirement A2.
2) Nolan's wife is his producing partner. She won the best picture Oscar for Oppenheimer. His films will then automatically meet B2.
But that doesn't fit the narrative you want around the movie. It can't be that Nolan just wanted to cast Nyong'o for his particular interpretation of the movie? That isn't a vast conspiracy against the audience, so that can't be the explanation.
veryfuller said:
I honestly don't think he cares about winning Oscars at this point. He just won a few and had cart blanc to make whatever he wanted. This is what he chose to do. I get the critiques of the casting, but I just don't think his motivation is awards this time around. I think he is making the movie he wanted to make. Just sounds like its not the movie you wanted him to make, which is totally fine. It just doesn't have to be a culture war issue when you don't like his creative choices, thats my point.