***** Round 1: Spurs vs. Mavs *****

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Sher Thing
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12:06p, 4/28/14
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Manu had two wide open threes late that would have been daggers. Manu was getting great looks, as were his teammates. That's why if you pair him with Green you may get Green some wide open threes.


It's not a bad idea for a stretch. This is exactly why Tony was on the bench for Mills late though as well. Pop wanted to space the floor and I guess still wanted a PG on the floor. It's the same concept you are talking about.

Manu played well in game 4. He missed some shots but he was great in all other aspects. He's been the Spurs best player through 3 games. That's why the Spurs are down.
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1:13p, 4/28/14
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It had virtually nothing to do with the loss, but I really think Pop is out-thinking himself in the playoffs the last couple of years, with some of his late game substitutions.

(1) When the Spurs needed defense and rebounds in game 6 last year, one of the greatest defenders/rebounders in the history of basketball was inexplicably on the bench. There is absolutely ZERO good reason for that unless Duncan has some sort of grotesque life-ending injury.
(2) When the Spurs were down in game 7 and needed points, their best scorer (Parker) was sitting on the bench
(3) In crunch time against Dallas on Saturday, the Spurs best offensive weapon and probably their most "clutch" player (Parker) is again riding the bench, meanwhile Ginobili is throwing bricks off the rim from long range the entire 4th quarter.

WTF is Pop thinking???
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1:25p, 4/28/14
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Mass, I agree with your sentiment, but Manu was able to drive for the potential game winner because we had three point shooters in the corners and not a guy like Parker.

Manu was getting great looks and was just missing those wide open shots. Parker was virtually nowhere to be found in the second half. Pop would have looked like a genius if Vince didn't nail that last shot.

The concenring thing for me is that the Spurs don't seem to have that go to group of five that you live or die with like we did in previous title runs. Our depth is our greatest strength but not having that go to lineup may end up being our biggest weakness if we lose this series.

Parker and Manu just don't seem to compliment each other anymore as both need the ball in their hands to do their thing.
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1:28p, 4/28/14
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Like mentioned above. Pop was trying to create more space by putting an extra shooter out there (Patty) instead of Parker. Pop has obviously been pretty upset with the effort Tony have given thus far. He's gotten on him multiple times during the first three games. He rode with Manu in game 3 and Manu did a great job at creating for others while Tony was out. We just missed some shots.


As for taking Duncan out in the finals, that's been discussed 100 different ways. Pop had used that strategy all year (going small on the last shot of games in order to switch all the p&r's) and it bit him in the ass that last time. It's a strategy he has used for awhile now; just that was the first time it really backfired on him.

[This message has been edited by Sher Thing (edited 4/28/2014 12:29p).]
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1:31p, 4/28/14
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Parker looked seriously gassed in the second half. If he can't handle playing that much right now then the Spurs need to start playing him less in the first three quarters so he's fresh for the 4th because he was worn out by the end of game 3.
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1:38p, 4/28/14
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Sher Thing, I completely agree. I think that is why Manu and Tony need to split minutes at PG. We need that primary ballhandler that can drive or shoot off the high pick and roll depending on how the Mavs play it. It is going to take a ton of energy to be that aggresive, but the PGs should literally run this all game with the shooters in the corners if help comes.

Mills has been off, but could be that guy as well if he played like he did in the reg season but I think these playoffs are a little big for him right now.
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1:39p, 4/28/14
I don't care what Pop had done all year. When you're seconds away from a title, you put your best all-around defensive player and rebounder (Duncan) on the floor. That decision was an abomination regardless of what the outcome of that game was.

It's not like Miami was going to play for the 2 there anyway, and that's the only scenario in where having Duncan out there could hurt you. If you're only going to be switching every pick that is set by the 3 pt line, all Duncan has to do is play way outside on the pick and stay with feet planted on the arc.

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1:49p, 4/28/14
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I don't care what Pop had done all year. When you're seconds away from a title, you put your best all-around defensive player and rebounder (Duncan) on the floor. That decision was an abomination regardless of what the outcome of that game was.


Nobody said it was a good strategy. But it wasn't done on some sort of whim. There's reasoning behind what he did and he'd been doing it for a long time before.
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1:54p, 4/28/14
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Sher Thing, I completely agree. I think that is why Manu and Tony need to split minutes at PG. We need that primary ballhandler that can drive or shoot off the high pick and roll depending on how the Mavs play it.


Just goes to show the Spurs have done absolutely nothing to fix the backup PG position over the last decade. TJ Ford was the last one that looked like he could be something great but unfortunately didn't work out because of injury.
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1:56p, 4/28/14
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All Patty is is Gary Neal without the clutch factor (it seems). He's no PG.
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2:18p, 4/28/14
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po0cbHFDU-o

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3:02p, 4/28/14
Nice vid. Vince's swag levels were off the charts after that shot.
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4:21p, 4/28/14
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There's reasoning behind what he did and he'd been doing it for a long time before.

Doesn't make it right.
I saw it in a game earlier in the regular season last year (or maybe the year before, I can't remember) and the team they were playing rattled off 5 quick paint points in a game the Spurs should've closed out easily.

He is prone to over-thinking things. That works 95% of the time. The other 5% of the time it cost the Spurs trophy #5.

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5:13p, 4/28/14
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Doesn't make it right.


I never said it did......................

You stated that he starts out-thinking himself in the playoffs and referenced that play. He's been using that strategy for years and years; regular season and playoffs. So that doesn't really make sense. I agree I don't like the strategy but it didn't have anything to do with him out thinking or over thinking anything. He firmly believes in that strategy and has for awhile now. It is what it is.



You can place the blame of the finals on him if it makes you feel better but we wouldn't have even made it to that point if it weren't for him in the first place.

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Brian Earl Spilner
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5:33p, 4/28/14
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If Ray Allen had shot that ball an inch shorter (or farther), Pop would have five championships and would be in the discussion for greatest coach of all time. (Not that he already isn't.)

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8:15p, 4/28/14
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I've watched the Carter shot about 100 times since Saturday.

One thing that gets lost in the frenzy is there is a 13-14 year old kid on the front row that when the mob scene ensues, they shove themselves on top of that kid. At first he's like "oh crap" but then he starts hugging Carter just like everyone else. It's so cool. That kid has an awesome memory for the rest of his life.
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9:10p, 4/28/14
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Need some nasty tonight. GSG
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9:46p, 4/28/14
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Game Time.

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9:48p, 4/28/14
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9:49p, 4/28/14
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I'll f'ing murder an infant if Parker is automatic from 18 feet like he was in game 3.
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9:50p, 4/28/14
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Looking sloppy
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Doug Glatt
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9:53p, 4/28/14
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Let's. Go. Mavs.
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Brian Earl Spilner
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9:53p, 4/28/14
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Ugh. Mags are good, but not this good. Been making these guys look like world beaters all series.
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9:55p, 4/28/14
Spurs better freaking wake up
Now
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Brian Earl Spilner
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9:57p, 4/28/14
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If the lead gets to 20+, no way in hell spurs have the heart/intensity to make a comeback. They look about ready to give up.
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9:58p, 4/28/14
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Let's see how many more layups the Spurs can miss tonight.
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9:59p, 4/28/14
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Put in Manu and the second string. Starters don't want to play.
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9:59p, 4/28/14
Pathetic
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10:00p, 4/28/14
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What a ****ing joke start
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Brian Earl Spilner
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10:01p, 4/28/14
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Like I said last game, Vince's shot was likely the series.
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10:05p, 4/28/14
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Like I said last game, Vince's shot was likely the series.


You're calling this game while your team is down 6 with over three quarters to play?
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Natasha Romanoff
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10:06p, 4/28/14
^ I don't disagree, but if so then that's just stupid. The Mavs have been playing well and definitely deserve some credit to disrupting the Spurs, but I have never seen just such lazy/slow playing from a Spurs playoff team. If they didn't really want to play in the playoffs, why even bother with the regular season?
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Brian Earl Spilner
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10:07p, 4/28/14
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If we have another quarter like this, yes. Though defense to finally be locking down a bit.
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Brian Earl Spilner
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10:09p, 4/28/14
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Any time it looks like Spurs might gain a little momentum, we either turn it over or Mavs make a long jumper.
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