Really hoping the Spurs play some defense tomorrow. Maybe not allow wide open 3's? Maybe play with some urgency? GSG
***** Round 1: Spurs vs. Mavs *****
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Yeah, Spurs only played D with urgency and toughness for a stretch in the third. Got to give the Mavs credit though because while the Spurs didnt play great defensively for much of the game the Mavs made it look worse than it was because they had multiple shot-makers all hitting shots. Game 7 will be fun. I like the Spurs chances.
Game 7, 3:30 PM ET on ABC
I notice that Brandan Wright, pick and roll matador extraordinaire, did not play a minute in Game 6.
Which is funny because game 2 or game 3 I dont remember, blair didn't play a single minute in the 2nd half.
Really glad the bad defense was because of brandan wright and not the mavericks collectively.
Really glad the bad defense was because of brandan wright and not the mavericks collectively.
Spurs weren't in desperation mode last night, Dallas was. Tomorrow should look pretty different for the Spurs from the defensive end.
http://grantland.com/features/nba-playoffs-first-round-dallas-mavericks-san-antonio-spurs-houston-rockets-portland-trail-blazers-toronto-raptors/
Zach Lowe with some analysis of Dallas' defensive strategy thus far.
Zach Lowe with some analysis of Dallas' defensive strategy thus far.
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Seriously, Spurs fan living in Dallas on Mavs fans (a bit biased): They can barely name their starting lineup. I have lived in Dallas since this past November. I didn't see a single person wear a Mavs jersey or shirt until this past week. Now all of the sudden people are talking smack and showing their Mavs "pride." Or as they call it their MFFL, which I believe stands for Mother Effing Effing Loser. No one cares about this team unless they know they are good or it's the playoffs. Cowboys and Rangers (even the Stars sometimes) steal the spotlight. They don't have the same passion we have for our Spurs. We love our SPURS. I would do anything to head home to SAtown on Sunday and cheer our team on and celebrate by having a blue margarita at LaGloria on that "ugly muddy a** Riverwalk." Viva Los Spurs! Let's take it in 7!!! We got this!!!
Okay.
Next.
Sometimes I wonder if people read the diarrhea they spewed from between their ears and onto a page before hitting "post reply".
dirk is 1-0 in g7 at SA. thats a positive
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Oh and as far as Duncan's whining, that's a made up thing by Mavs fans because they couldn't find anything else to complain about Duncan (especially since they don't watch the regular season). News Flash: Dirk whines as much if not more, than Duncan. GSG.
So why is it when I Google "Dirk Nowitzki whining" I only get a few results related to a few specific incidents, mostly about in 2006 when Avery told him he needed to stop complaining to the refs.
But when I google "Tim Duncan whining" I get page after page after page after page of results where people all declare him the worst crybaby in the league?
I was actually interested to see if this was true, so I did the research online. I'll admit Dirk does his fair share of complaining to the refs, we all know he hates having his elbow hit on the follow through so Pop has his guys do it every time if they can get away with it. But Dirks complaining is on a level as most superstars in the League. He is nowhere near as demonstrative as Duncan with his throwing his hands in the air, and making faces at the refs. Plus, Dirk never got thrown out of a game while sitting on the bench.
From Dallas bro
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He is nowhere near as demonstrative as Duncan with his throwing his hands in the air, and making faces at the refs. Plus, Dirk never got thrown out of a game while sitting on the bench.
Have you even seen a Mavs game? Half the time Nowitzki never gets back on defense after a shot because he's busy running from official to official trying to get a call.
Joey Crawford is the ref that kicked Duncan out, and the league suspended Crawford for the rest of the season as a result of the incident. Crawford ended up going to a psychologist to deal with his anger management issues.
Duncan's facial expressions are generally humorous. Probably helps with his internet notoriety.
He complains. All stars do. Very few star players get the same treatment as Kobe enjoyed for so long, but all stars whine and get more favorable calls than most bench players. But Dirk has really been over the top with his whining, at least this series to the point of ridiculouslness. The way he's shouting at the refs after every missed shot he has you would think he was getting shoved across the court.
And, once again, I will draw on the difference that Duncan is usually playing deep in the paint getting hacked, Dirk is getting his elbow brushed/bumped. I understand he's gotten that call throughout his career, but it's still a touch foul that the refs probably don't call for the majority of the other players in the NBA.
Duncan getting thrown out for laughing on the bench has long been cited as one of the worst oversteppings of an NBA ref. That was a bad example to use for Duncan's whining.
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He complains. All stars do. Very few star players get the same treatment as Kobe enjoyed for so long, but all stars whine and get more favorable calls than most bench players. But Dirk has really been over the top with his whining, at least this series to the point of ridiculouslness. The way he's shouting at the refs after every missed shot he has you would think he was getting shoved across the court.
And, once again, I will draw on the difference that Duncan is usually playing deep in the paint getting hacked, Dirk is getting his elbow brushed/bumped. I understand he's gotten that call throughout his career, but it's still a touch foul that the refs probably don't call for the majority of the other players in the NBA.
Duncan getting thrown out for laughing on the bench has long been cited as one of the worst oversteppings of an NBA ref. That was a bad example to use for Duncan's whining.
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You guys are certainly entitled to your opinion, and Game 5 was an extra-complainy game for Dirk, because of the stakes and because he was losing. But I'm telling you what the perception of Duncan is, and it's not just all from Dallas. Ball don't lie and Google don't lie.
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Brian's been a Spurs fan for a WHOLE 7 YEARS? Oh boy, he was cheering them on from the very beginning. Lol
I saw everything I needed from Spurs fans after we won game 4 in our last game at Reunion in '01. Every though the Spurs were still up 3-1, a blonde Spurs skank was shouting trash as we left our seats. Then we got to our SUV and saw that it had been vandalized. Lastly, the Spurs fans we driving out of the lot the same way they drive in their ghetto town ... with no class.
But hey, ghetto types will be ghetto.
I saw everything I needed from Spurs fans after we won game 4 in our last game at Reunion in '01. Every though the Spurs were still up 3-1, a blonde Spurs skank was shouting trash as we left our seats. Then we got to our SUV and saw that it had been vandalized. Lastly, the Spurs fans we driving out of the lot the same way they drive in their ghetto town ... with no class.
But hey, ghetto types will be ghetto.
The difference between Dirk's yelling at the refs and Timmy's crying is that when Dirk is complaining it is an obvious call that the refs missed. With Timmy, not so much.
I think some of this is still payback for Cuban and his constant harping on NBA officiating, which is atrocious. Suspending Crawford for ejecting Timmy was total bullcrap. Why does Timmy get special treatment?
If the officiating is consistent, which it never is, the officials are going to let the players thug it up a little tomorrow. If this is the case, Blair with rough up Timmy and he'll be crying like a little girl.
However, the NBA has to protect it's prima dona so that may not happen. I guarantee they will let Splitter thug it up on Dirk though.
I think some of this is still payback for Cuban and his constant harping on NBA officiating, which is atrocious. Suspending Crawford for ejecting Timmy was total bullcrap. Why does Timmy get special treatment?
If the officiating is consistent, which it never is, the officials are going to let the players thug it up a little tomorrow. If this is the case, Blair with rough up Timmy and he'll be crying like a little girl.
However, the NBA has to protect it's prima dona so that may not happen. I guarantee they will let Splitter thug it up on Dirk though.
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The difference between Dirk's yelling at the refs and Timmy's crying is that when Dirk is complaining it is an obvious call that the refs missed. With Timmy, not so much.
This is what blind, patently idiotic homerism looks like, folks.
Dirk "the paint is lava" Nowitzki gets real fouls and Duncan doesn't? Nowitzki's offensive game is mostly iso fadeaway outside jumpers where any potential fouls are extremely obvious to the officials in real time. To their credit, they don't call as many phantom fouls in his favor as they used to (and to Nowitzki's credit, he is actually a decent defensive rebounder when he wants to be), but his complaining has always been laughable.
Duncan mixes it up on low post power moves on a significant portion of his shots (to the point that uneducated fans try to argue that he is a center rather than PF). Many of the players who cover him try to slap the ball out or intentionally wrap him up (especially when he's moving across the lane) and frequent double teams result in a lot of body contact and hacks. There's a reason Duncan's arms and shoulders are always scarred and marked up.
Nowitzki gets more foul calls because he's outside where fouls are hard to miss and because he's worked that little flail/kick/scream into an art; it's probably responsible for at least a ppg on his career average. For the last 10 years, Nowitzki getting more free throws per game than Duncan has been one of the best examples of how league policy favors perimeter players and rewards acting.
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Duncan mixes it up on low post power moves on a significant portion of his shots (to the point that uneducated fans try to argue that he is a center rather than PF). Many of the players who cover him try to slap the ball out or intentionally wrap him up (especially when he's moving across the lane) and frequent double teams result in a lot of body contact and hacks. There's a reason Duncan's arms and shoulders are always scarred and marked up.
Nowitzki gets more foul calls because he's outside where fouls are hard to miss and because he's worked that little flail/kick/scream into an art; it's probably responsible for at least a ppg on his career average. For the last 10 years, Nowitzki getting more free throws per game than Duncan has been one of the best examples of how league policy favors perimeter players and rewards acting.
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Dirk got zero FTs last game.
Nor should he have. He didn't take the bal to the rim. He shoots a flailing jump shot almost every time. Damned good at it, but he shouldnt be rewarded with free throws for those
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The difference between Dirk's yelling at the refs and Timmy's crying is that when Dirk is complaining it is an obvious call that the refs missed. With Timmy, not so much.
I think some of this is still payback for Cuban and his constant harping on NBA officiating, which is atrocious. Suspending Crawford for ejecting Timmy was total bullcrap. Why does Timmy get special treatment?
If the officiating is consistent, which it never is, the officials are going to let the players thug it up a little tomorrow. If this is the case, Blair with rough up Timmy and he'll be crying like a little girl.
However, the NBA has to protect it's prima dona so that may not happen. I guarantee they will let Splitter thug it up on Dirk though.
What an absolute loadof biased crap
And a lot of the Spurs "in the paint " fouls are the Spurs initiating contact and then going sprawling on the floor, ala Ginobili. A jump shooter can get fouled same as a driver, not sure what the point you guys are trying to make. In fact when you're a jump shooter and people are being as physical with you as some refs let defenders get with Dirk, there's a legitimate beef to be made. You think refs would ever let a player get as physical with Ray Allen or Kevin Durant as they do with Dirk? That's why Dirk usually complains. When a ref is letting the defender bump and push and swipe and get extra physical with him beyond what is reasonable. He knows what a foul is in the League by now, he's been around for 16 years.
Maybe that's true of Duncan also, and all his gripes are legit, I'm just telling you what fan perception is of the guy, around the league, unless you think only people in Dallas have internet.
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Maybe that's true of Duncan also, and all his gripes are legit, I'm just telling you what fan perception is of the guy, around the league, unless you think only people in Dallas have internet.
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Duncan's a bigger name, has been in The spotlight more, and has played in more playoff games where people have seen him. Of course he whines. No more so than dirk. He's just noticed more. Dirk also flops significantly more. Don't give a damn what the perception is. Dirk whines just as much. People just don't notice it because people aren't as exposed to him as Duncan
Ever consider that?
Ever consider that?
So it's just that everyone else is wrong? And you guys love to call Mavs fans blind homers.
^ every team gets fouls called in the paint when initiating contact, Mavs included, usually more so when playing at home. There is at least consistency in officiating in that regard.
Mavs fans: Dirk is just getting paid back for getting every single call when people breathed on him for most of his career back when he was a superstar.
Romanov, I'm just saying that there are good and bad calls/no-calls whether or not your driving into the paint or shooting a jumper.
But in a way you bring up a good point, and maybe this is the point you were trying to make, and if so I apologize if I missed it. Perhaps Duncan has a higher volume of lets call them "complaints" because by playing in the paint, he gets hit more often. So perhaps Duncan's percentage rate of complaints versus Dirks complaints are similar, but Duncan overwhelms him in sheer numbers.
Regardless, I think you guys are missing my point, that there must be a reason Duncan is recognized and singled out, when others are not. David Robinson was never called a "whiner" and he lived in the paint.
But in a way you bring up a good point, and maybe this is the point you were trying to make, and if so I apologize if I missed it. Perhaps Duncan has a higher volume of lets call them "complaints" because by playing in the paint, he gets hit more often. So perhaps Duncan's percentage rate of complaints versus Dirks complaints are similar, but Duncan overwhelms him in sheer numbers.
Regardless, I think you guys are missing my point, that there must be a reason Duncan is recognized and singled out, when others are not. David Robinson was never called a "whiner" and he lived in the paint.
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But in a way you bring up a good point, and maybe this is the point you were trying to make, and if so I apologize if I missed it. Perhaps Duncan has a higher volume of lets call them "complaints" because by playing in the paint, he gets hit more often. So perhaps Duncan's percentage rate of complaints versus Dirks complaints are similar, but Duncan overwhelms him in sheer numbers.
Indeed. That is what I was trying to get across. Look, Duncan totally complains, I get that. I think part of his perception is obviously him complaining but also national exposure. For all of his professional years, the Spurs have been one of the top teams in the west and have made 5 finals runs. Way more people will watch a Spurs playoff game than a regular season game, fan or no.
I will admit I haven't paid much attention to Dirk and the Mavs compared to the Spurs, minus their series against us and their title runs. But he's been especially whiney this series and I'm sure that's because Splitter is being physical and playing him very well and he doesn't like that. Are there some no calls on Dirk that should be there? Sure. But there always will be on any player, except maybe one of Kobe, Wade, or Lebron.
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Romanov I find you to be a completely reasonable and likable Spurs fan. A rare breed. Perhaps it's because you and I both have avatars named for Marvel superheroines.
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The difference between Dirk's yelling at the refs and Timmy's crying is that when Dirk is complaining it is an obvious call that the refs missed. With Timmy, not so much.
The absurdness of AB never ceases to amaze
Thanks, I try to stay reasonable. It's difficult because I do love my Spurs, but I generally try to stay objective in debates. Even I hate whining about refs, but it happens sometimes. 
This argument is terrible.
And Go Spurs.
And Go Spurs.
Why are we freaking arguing about who argues more?! It comes from both sides. There's "blind patriotism" or whatever that guy said from earlier on both sides. Just let the game play out on the court. The Mavericks need to play with the same intensity they did in the last 4 minutes of Game 6 the entire game to win it. Otherwise, I see the Spurs taking it.
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