Nowitzki might not go 4-14 again, but with Leonard on Ellis there's a good chance he won't have an efficient series.
***** Round 1: Spurs vs. Mavs *****
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Mavs fans are so funny. It's like they think basketball started in 2006 and ended in 2011.
Amen...
Lifelong Spurs fan here:
Both teams had their issues, but the Spurs played worse than their normal and got the win. Mavs only played worse than their normal in winning time. When you play your worse in winning time, it's a sign of a deeply flawed team.
All stats aside, the NBA is about the last 7:30 minutes. Spurs stepped up, Mavs stepped down (and have all season).
Mavs blew their only chance to make this a series.
Spurs in 4.
Both teams had their issues, but the Spurs played worse than their normal and got the win. Mavs only played worse than their normal in winning time. When you play your worse in winning time, it's a sign of a deeply flawed team.
All stats aside, the NBA is about the last 7:30 minutes. Spurs stepped up, Mavs stepped down (and have all season).
Mavs blew their only chance to make this a series.
Spurs in 4.
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Mavs only played worse than their normal in winning time. When you play your worse in winning time, it's a sign of a deeply flawed team.
I don't understand what this means. Do you mean that "winning time" is the last 7:30 of a game? If so, that's a heckuva lot of time for things to happen in a basketball game. I could see something like the last 3:00(which the Spurs still dominated on Sunday) being "winning time" in a close game, but 7:30 is a ton of time.
I'll also throw out that the 12 points the Mavs scored in the first quarter of the game was their lowest first quarter point total all season. I'd argue they played "worse than their normal" then.
Manu's wife gave birth to their third kid. Luca Ginobili and Mrs. Ginobili are both healthy.
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that's a heckuva lot of time for things to happen in a basketball game.
True, but it's within that time frame games are won and lost, obviously if it's close it gets more important as time goes down.
Here's a way to look at the Spurs, if they are down 10pts with 7:30 to go, they win about 50% of the time, if they're up 10pts with 7:30 to go they win 90% of the time. Spurs = good in winning time.
Looking at the Mavs, if they're down 10pts with 7:30 left they lose 90% of the time, If they're up by 10pts with 7:30 left to go they win maybe 70% of the time. Mavs = chokers who never had a chance in this series. Spurs in 4. Also, your right I didn't realize the Mavs sucked that bad in the 1Q.
[This message has been edited by TexjbA&M (edited 4/21/2014 4:08p).]
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I'll state the obvious and say that as Spurs fans, we are completely spoiled. Spurs are possibly the best-run sports franchise in all American sports, have been the most consistently winning team for the past 15+ years, have one of the best coaches of all time AND one of the best players of all time still killing it after 17 years, etc.
So when we start comparing to other teams, it's hard to recognize other great franchises. I cannot stand the Mavs, I hate Cuban, and dislike Dirk as a player. But I have a lot of respect for them, and recognize they are one of the better franchises in the NBA, and have been for a while.
Exactly. The Spurs have had this incredible success, but eventually it will all come down. Same with any team, it is showing signs of happening with the Mavs last year and then whenever Dirk leaves or sooner. The only thing is, with a smaller-market team like San Antonio, your best bet is building through the draft, which they have done a tremendous job of, and then getting your role players in through FA. What I, as a basketball fan, am interested to see is how the ownership responds whenever Duncan leaves/Pop retires. The team could still be a playoff team, but will be tremendously worse, and probably wouldn't be able to get a really big superstar in there to replace him, but also wouldn't be able to have a high enough slot in the draft to get a really dynamite prospect. The Mavs could run into the same problem, as they had planned to go after big-time free agents the past few summers but came up short, and Dallas is a big-market team that can afford it.
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True, but it's within that time frame games are won and lost,
I see what you're getting at here and I agree with it, particularly in San Antonio's case. The Mavs were at least getting some decent looks offensively still when they stretched their lead out to 10 and could have really done some damage if Dirk et al. had been able to knock down some good looks like Mavs fans have come to expect.
I'll be interested to see if Carlisle and the team can keep their physce intact and bring the effort they did Sunday for the rest of this series, or if letting that game slip just mentally dooms them to a sweep.
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Dallas is a big-market team that can afford it.
The issue being the new-ish salary cap rules that make it prohibitively expense to go over the cap. Not to say the Mavs don't make enough money to do so, it just costs an insane amount to do so.
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how the ownership responds whenever Duncan leaves/Pop retires
This is a good question, a lot of people outside SA don't realize how important RC Buford (Spurs GM) is. Once he's gone who knows what will happen, if RC sticks around after Pop/Duncan depart, expect the Spurs to remain very competitive.
[This message has been edited by TexjbA&M (edited 4/21/2014 4:22p).]
It is impossible to say what will happen with the Spurs after Duncan retires. Like any team, they need to hit gold in the draft. They will also need to replace Parker and Manu and not waste too much of Kwahi's career in rebuilding.
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replace Parker
I feel he has 4-5 big time seasons left in him. At the current level of play and rate of injure, Duncan will play longer than Manu.
Duncan could play longer than Manu, I just don't know if he will. I am afraid Pop, Duncan, and Manu will ride off into the sunset together if they win a title this year.
Duncan could play for a while, if he wants to. With his divorce it wouldn't surprise me to see him stretch it out as well. Duncan's game doesn't rely on athleticism. It's size, basketball IQ and fundamentals, and soft hands. Even bolted with his feet to the floor he is more effective than 70% of the big men in the NBA. He's also in fantastic physical shape and always has been, his only issue is his knees are pretty much shot but he is already braced up and doesn't put much strain on them.
I thought Manu was done a couple of years ago but he seems to have found new life. Just have to limit his minutes and he seems to understand better that he has more physical limitations from a few years ago. He can't just takeover games but he can be effective.
The key to the Spurs maintaining their dynasty though is Pop. That man is a genius.
I thought Manu was done a couple of years ago but he seems to have found new life. Just have to limit his minutes and he seems to understand better that he has more physical limitations from a few years ago. He can't just takeover games but he can be effective.
The key to the Spurs maintaining their dynasty though is Pop. That man is a genius.
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I feel he has 4-5 big time seasons left in him.
Parker topped 1100 games this year, not including international ball and his game is almost entirely dependent on his athleticism. I wouldn't be counting on him for 4-5 more seasons, at which point he will be in at ~1500 games. When Tony can't get into the paint anymore, his game will abruptly end. He can't post up and can't shoot. The last time he hit more than this year's 25 three pointers, was a decade ago.
Spurs have called a press conference for tomorrow. Most likely announcing that coach pop has won The COTY award.
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Spurs have called a press conference for tomorrow. Most likely announcing that coach pop has won The COTY award.
Very deserving if that's the case.
Guitarsoup is depressing me.
So how did we get the luck of being on NBAtv? Might as well be a blackout game considering all the people who actually get that channel
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So how did we get the luck of being on NBAtv? Might as well be a blackout game considering all the people who actually get that channel
Sports package is great.
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Spurs have called a press conference for tomorrow. Most likely announcing that coach pop has won The COTY award.
Sweet. Thought for sure they'd give it to Hornacek. They probably would've if they'd made the playoffs.
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Parker topped 1100 games this year, not including international ball and his game is almost entirely dependent on his athleticism. I wouldn't be counting on him for 4-5 more seasons, at which point he will be in at ~1500 games. When Tony can't get into the paint anymore, his game will abruptly end. He can't post up and can't shoot. The last time he hit more than this year's 25 three pointers, was a decade ago.
Eh, he's pretty crafty and has good handles, footwork, and a midrange shot. His game has no vertical dimension; he's more about change of pace and working the pick and roll than speed or explosion. He won't be able to dictate pace or dominate games once his legs go, but his offensive game will age more gracefully than you're giving him credit for, especially if the Spurs can maintain their current system post-Duncan. They will need to find someone who can handle the ball alongside Tony though. I'm not sure Leonard will ever be a consistent primary ball handler.
EDIT: Parker doesn't take a lot of threes, but he has posted 35%, 36%, and 37% seasons from behind the arc in the last four years, suggesting that he could be a decent shooter if need be.
[This message has been edited by Ulrich (edited 4/22/2014 12:08a).]
But all his threes are the left corner three. That's his only spot. He has a decent elbow jumper, but that isn't going to make it. His game is predicated a lot more on his explosiveness and quickness than you give him credit. He won't be the same without it or without being able to have that first quick step off the pick.
In Dallas, the game will also be on channel 21.
Any word what time the press conference is?
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[This message has been edited by Brian Earl Spilner (edited 4/22/2014 8:58a).]
My guess is Parker has about 3 really good seasons left in him before he drops off. You could maybe stretch that number to 5 if Pop really manages his minutes well.
Look at Steve Nash. He was a really good player (at least offensively) until age 37. Parker is only 31, though with international ball and extended playoff minutes he's a 31 years old with much higher miles than Nash was at age 31.
Still, age is on his side for now. It's all a matter of managing minutes and avoiding injuries. If he can do that, he should be effective for a couple years after Duncan and Manu are gone.
Look at Steve Nash. He was a really good player (at least offensively) until age 37. Parker is only 31, though with international ball and extended playoff minutes he's a 31 years old with much higher miles than Nash was at age 31.
Still, age is on his side for now. It's all a matter of managing minutes and avoiding injuries. If he can do that, he should be effective for a couple years after Duncan and Manu are gone.
Pop officially announced as COY.
http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/140422_gregg_popovich_named_2013-14_nba_coach_of_the_year
http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/140422_gregg_popovich_named_2013-14_nba_coach_of_the_year
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Pop officially announced as COY.
http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/140422_gregg_popovich_named_2013-14_nba_coach_of_the_year
Good for Pop. He'll hate it but he deserves it.
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So when we start comparing to other teams, it's hard to recognize other great franchises. I cannot stand the Mavs, I hate Cuban, and dislike Dirk as a player. But I have a lot of respect for them, and recognize they are one of the better franchises in the NBA, and have been for a while.
We can't make the Spurs the basis for all comparisons. We have to take all NBA teams into account.
This is correct. Just because the Spurs may have drafted better and had overall better front office performance than the Mavs over the past 15 years doesn't mean the Mavs have a poor front office. They aren't mutually exclusive.
It will be interesting to see what happens when the Duncan/Dirk eras end. Both teams are going to have a hard time. It seems that they may take different approaches. San Antonio may try to build through the draft and Dallas may try to lure in free agents. If that's what happens it will be interesting to see which approach turns out better. Obviously, if Dallas cannot land a big fish, they will also need to give up and try to rebuild through the draft as well.
[This message has been edited by mavsfan4ever (edited 4/22/2014 9:58a).]
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Any word what time the press conference is?
1PM CT.
Congrats to Pop and Go Spurs Go!
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So how did we get the luck of being on NBAtv? Might as well be a blackout game considering all the people who actually get that channel
NBAtv isn't that rare of a channel, plus it is also on FSSW
Yeah but all of us outside Texas are screwed.
Why would you move outside of Texas?
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