I was there and the "taunting" if there really was any was directed at Blair.
Crowd was awesome...
Crowd was awesome...
***** Round 1: Spurs vs. Mavs *****
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Damn, made it to college station to split the drive back in half. Can't really say much about that one, was a straight clinic.
Congrats Spurs and good luck moving on.
Proud of this Mavericks team, we had a good run and played hard.
Congrats Spurs and good luck moving on.
Proud of this Mavericks team, we had a good run and played hard.
Mavs went for the jugular, and it still didn't matter.
"OMG, Duncan whines so much" - Every Mavs fan.
No clue what DeJuan Blair was booed in San Antonio.
Geriatric league game
The second half flagrant when down 20 by your bench scrub on the other team's best player. Classy.
Cuban disagreed with the flagrant call. Surprising.
This was a pretty wicked assist by Manu.
Get that out of here.
Not gonna lie, I forgot Shawn Marion even played. Another disappearing act against the Spurs in the playoffs by Marion. Vince's great play did outshine him a bit.
No clue what DeJuan Blair was booed in San Antonio.
Geriatric league game
The second half flagrant when down 20 by your bench scrub on the other team's best player. Classy.
Cuban disagreed with the flagrant call. Surprising.
This was a pretty wicked assist by Manu.
Get that out of here.
Not gonna lie, I forgot Shawn Marion even played. Another disappearing act against the Spurs in the playoffs by Marion. Vince's great play did outshine him a bit.
^
Classic Pop.
Classic Pop.
Congratulations to the Spurs. Wow! They really DOMINATED the Mavs in Game 7. There was No Doubt.
Dirk is good and Carlisle may be great, but Dallas needs to find a two-way player. The Spurs ran their offense through Nowitzki in game 7. He can still shoot, but at this point his defense might outweigh his offense in a series, especially against smart teams. Ellis isn't much better.
Good series though. Mavs had a lot of players show up and Carlisle coached extremely well.
Good series though. Mavs had a lot of players show up and Carlisle coached extremely well.
Blue parachute for you, Guitarsoup
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Ganondorf5:26p, yesterday
Obviously I haven't seen many Mav games but why wish for Carter to go? He pretty much won 2 of the 3 games this series with his insane shooting.
Yea he was hot this series. But those shots he hit were terrible shots. He's not usually that hot, so he usually just takes terrible shots. E can shoot, so if he was just a spot up shooter, I wouldn't mind. But for some reason we insist on giving him the ball to be a playmaker which just ends up in a fadeaway long jumper every time. This will be even worse when he is a year older next year. I admit he played pretty well this year and played great this series, but I cringe every time get gets the ball. And I don't want to sign a 36 year old to a 2-3 year deal
*37
Great series, Spurs. Strong effort by Dallas. I think Spurs in 6 over Portland.
I agree about Carter and Marion. Time to let both go. Vince's flashes of upside are outweighed by his age and diminished skills. Marion, while still decent at defense offers nothing offensively. He should seriously be fined anytime he shoots outside the paint. And he doesn't rebound like he used to.
Big decisions in the offseason. Re-sign Dirk, hopefully for a good price, and use savings on a strong FA.
What to do at center? Pick up Dalembert's option, and sign Blair to a 2-3 year deal, assuming he gets more minutes next season? Not sure who else is out there.
If confident that Harris can keep playing like he did in this series, I think he comes back.
I agree about Carter and Marion. Time to let both go. Vince's flashes of upside are outweighed by his age and diminished skills. Marion, while still decent at defense offers nothing offensively. He should seriously be fined anytime he shoots outside the paint. And he doesn't rebound like he used to.
Big decisions in the offseason. Re-sign Dirk, hopefully for a good price, and use savings on a strong FA.
What to do at center? Pick up Dalembert's option, and sign Blair to a 2-3 year deal, assuming he gets more minutes next season? Not sure who else is out there.
If confident that Harris can keep playing like he did in this series, I think he comes back.
As good as Vince's 28 point game was, that was the only game he scored over 13 points. And he did still have a 3-8, 4-9 and 3-12 game shooting.
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I would think Dirk would look to retire. He's got a lot of basketball miles and clearly isn't the player he once was.
Uh, Dirk could start for 2-3 more years. Averaged 21.7 pts, just under 50%, missed only 2 games. There are other starters in the league who have dropped off much more than Dirk: See Pierce, Garnet, Ray Allen.
Dallas can still make playoff runs with Dirk as the #1, but imo they won't make another title run with him as the #1.
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4701915/video-spurs-exhibit-the-art-of-the-flop.
Like a fine wine, the Spurs flopping only gets better with age.
No one flops more than the Spurs (I'm looking at you Clippers). No one complains to the officials more than the Spurs, and it isn't even close. Literally every timeout and dead ball, Duncan, Parker or Pops is visiting with the officials. Yet, no one gets more calls than the Spurs.
And right in line, no one is more blind to this than Spurs fans, and no one complains more about these exact same things you have been getting away with for 15 years, than Spurs fans.
Ignorance is bliss.
Like a fine wine, the Spurs flopping only gets better with age.
No one flops more than the Spurs (I'm looking at you Clippers). No one complains to the officials more than the Spurs, and it isn't even close. Literally every timeout and dead ball, Duncan, Parker or Pops is visiting with the officials. Yet, no one gets more calls than the Spurs.
And right in line, no one is more blind to this than Spurs fans, and no one complains more about these exact same things you have been getting away with for 15 years, than Spurs fans.
Ignorance is bliss.
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Obviously I haven't seen many Mav games but why wish for Carter to go? He pretty much won 2 of the 3 games this series with his insane shooting.
He has developed a nice outside shot to supplement his lack of movement away from the ball, but it's not enough. And he was never a great defender, and that's been magnified by age.
Carter will always be a talented player, and I wouldn't mind to see back on the Mavs, but he's not going to be able to help Dallas. He'll be 38 next season, and he'd be a great piece on a championship caliber team to work about 15 minutes a game (averaged nearly 25 for Dallas this season, I think).
Plus, when you're under the cap, every extra dollar you can save is another dollar you can pay a 35+ guy on the free agency market. I'd much rather see Dallas put that money towards a guy like Trevor Ariza, who can score in spots and play defense.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4701915/video-spurs-exhibit-the-art-of-the-flop
Like a fine wine, the Spurs flopping only gets better with age.
No one flops more than the Spurs (I'm looking at you Clippers). No one complains to the officials more than the Spurs, and it isn't even close. Literally every timeout and dead ball, Duncan, Parker or Pops is visiting with the officials. Yet, no one gets more calls than the Spurs.
And right in line, no one is more blind to this than Spurs fans, and no one complains more about these exact same things you have been getting away with for 15 years, than Spurs fans.
Ignorance is bliss.
That's amazing.
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No one flops more than the Spurs (I'm looking at you Clippers). No one complains to the officials more than the Spurs, and it isn't even close. Literally every timeout and dead ball, Duncan, Parker or Pops is visiting with the officials. Yet, no one gets more calls than the Spurs.
No matter how much you say it, it doesn't make it more true.
The Spurs were dead last in FTA in the NBA with over 900 less FTA than the Rockets.
If the Spurs flop more than everyone else, they sure do a freaking terrible job of it considering they shoot significantly less free throws than every other team in the NBA.
So if it makes you feel better to say all these things, go right ahead. It doesn't make it any more true.
That's a pretty good video. I will say that Mills looks to be a quick study. That dude went down like a hand grenade went off on several occasions. Appropriate, since he looks like Tony Parker's stunt double.
Guitarsoup, you are just another in a long line...It is like being in the twilight zone everytime I talk with a Spurs fan...are you living in the same reality as everyone else? Not a chance!
It's like if you were talking to Ginobli in front of a mirror, and he was making fun of another guy's bald spot...and all you can do is look behind him at the mirror and see the reflection of his giant bald spot, and you just can't understand what exactly it is that is going on....I don't know, it made sense to me!
It's like if you were talking to Ginobli in front of a mirror, and he was making fun of another guy's bald spot...and all you can do is look behind him at the mirror and see the reflection of his giant bald spot, and you just can't understand what exactly it is that is going on....I don't know, it made sense to me!
Agreed. Mills has definately learned from the best.
Holy crap! I had no idea about the 6 Spurs on the court at the end of game 5! Amazing.
So explain to me JDAville, if the Spurs are the worst at flopping in the NBA, why do they shoot so few free throws? The Rockets shot over 50% more free throws for the entire season. Not a single team in the NBA shot fewer free throws than the Spurs.
Sample size - the entire 82 game season.
If they are the worst at flopping, they must literally be the worst, since it isn't being called.
I mean, I hate to let facts get in the way of a good emotional argument, but the facts just aren't on your side.
If there was enough butthurt, you could certainly put together a video that is a few minutes long of all the Mavs flops over the course of the last 7 games. You could do it with any team in the NBA.
But keep up with the hate. It is quite amusing.
Sample size - the entire 82 game season.
If they are the worst at flopping, they must literally be the worst, since it isn't being called.
I mean, I hate to let facts get in the way of a good emotional argument, but the facts just aren't on your side.
If there was enough butthurt, you could certainly put together a video that is a few minutes long of all the Mavs flops over the course of the last 7 games. You could do it with any team in the NBA.
But keep up with the hate. It is quite amusing.
And if they don't get the calls, then why does the flopping bother anyone?
Shouldn't that be a poor strategy and lead to the Spurs losing games? Certainly they wouldn't blow a team out in a seventh game of a playoff series whilst employing such a worthless strategy?
Shouldn't that be a poor strategy and lead to the Spurs losing games? Certainly they wouldn't blow a team out in a seventh game of a playoff series whilst employing such a worthless strategy?
...and before anyone brings it up, the Spurs are 7th in the league in points in the paint. The reason they don't get fouls called is not because they are a jump shooting team.
Smells like butthurt in here.
There's such a thing as fouls on the floor, people. Not every flop has to result in free throws.
How can any of you not admit how bad some of those flops are? FIFA soccer worthy.
How can any of you not admit how bad some of those flops are? FIFA soccer worthy.
The Spurs draw 19.4 fouls per game, good for 26th in the league. What else you got?
I think the argument here is who is the worst flopping team in the league; it's clearly qualitative not quantitative. And there is outstanding quality there.
As someone has already said, that's not why the Mavs got blown out of the gym yesterday, but please just admit the obvious! Mavs and Rockets fans aren't the only ones who think this. Surely y'all aren't all that delusional?
As someone has already said, that's not why the Mavs got blown out of the gym yesterday, but please just admit the obvious! Mavs and Rockets fans aren't the only ones who think this. Surely y'all aren't all that delusional?
I'm a Spurs fan and I do think they flop a lot. Do they do it significantly more or less than other teams? I have no idea because I primarily watch the Spurs (and Rockets). NBA officiating is pretty poor and I assume the Spurs recognize that. If you watch that Mavs fan's video, you'll see that on almost every single instance, the Mavs did commit a foul and the Spurs player exaggerated the resulting movement so that the ref would notice. Yes, it's acting (and I don't like it), but by the rulebook, those were fouls committed by the Mavs.
If Mavs fans want to blame the loss on the refs, then so be it. We'll be enjoying round 2 vs Portland.
If Mavs fans want to blame the loss on the refs, then so be it. We'll be enjoying round 2 vs Portland.
Spurs were 25th out of 30 in fouls against. The Rockets drew about 500 more fouls over the course of the 82 game season than the Spurs.
The Spurs also had jsut two players that drew more than 5 charges all season. Manu with 16 and Patty Mills with 6. Leading the NBA were Cousins and Lowry with over 30 each.
So again, the stats really don't come anywhere close to supporting a statement such as the Spurs are the worst at flopping in the entire NBA. Especially when teams with known ridiculous floppers like Chris Paul and James Harden also happen to be the two teams that shot the most free throws and were two of the top three teams in fouls against. Seems logical that those teams are flopping a lot more than the team that shot almost a thousand free throws less than either of those teams.
The Spurs also had jsut two players that drew more than 5 charges all season. Manu with 16 and Patty Mills with 6. Leading the NBA were Cousins and Lowry with over 30 each.
So again, the stats really don't come anywhere close to supporting a statement such as the Spurs are the worst at flopping in the entire NBA. Especially when teams with known ridiculous floppers like Chris Paul and James Harden also happen to be the two teams that shot the most free throws and were two of the top three teams in fouls against. Seems logical that those teams are flopping a lot more than the team that shot almost a thousand free throws less than either of those teams.
The Spurs do flop. So does every other team in the league. Officiating in the NBA is terrible.
Mav and Rockets fans just bring it up every time the Spurs beat them... which is a lot... so I'm sure there's some bitterness built up there.
Mav and Rockets fans just bring it up every time the Spurs beat them... which is a lot... so I'm sure there's some bitterness built up there.
Tony and Manu sell contact, sometimes to an exaggerated extent. That's extremely common these days as you can see by the fact that the Spurs draw fewer fouls than most teams in the league. That's why Spurs fans tend to think that the Spurs draw unfair criticism for flopping.
There is a different level of flopping: the Chris Paul, James Harden, Dwyane Wade school of flopping with no contact or initiating the contact then falling down. They do it consistently and flagrantly. TP is the Spurs worst about that, and he usually does it after he's gotten nailed a couple times with no call. Parker takes a lot of contact when he's doing his antics in the lane.
There is a different level of flopping: the Chris Paul, James Harden, Dwyane Wade school of flopping with no contact or initiating the contact then falling down. They do it consistently and flagrantly. TP is the Spurs worst about that, and he usually does it after he's gotten nailed a couple times with no call. Parker takes a lot of contact when he's doing his antics in the lane.
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If you watch that Mavs fan's video, you'll see that on almost every single instance, the Mavs did commit a foul and the Spurs player exaggerated the resulting movement so that the ref would notice. Yes, it's acting (and I don't like it), but by the rulebook, those were fouls committed by the Mavs.
And something where there is already a foul and the reaction is exaggerated so that the ref will take notice bothers me a lot less than the flops that create a foul call where none should be called.
Such as this Dirk flop in the Finals against Miami:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HxZC6pc8rk
Dirk was out of position and just threw himself down to get a call.
Or Bosh pretending he caught an elbow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKc7H9Mp_xs
Or Chris Paul's any number of flops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SOCNxCzb1I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8PPx6ONMMI
I'm sure we all remember when Chris Paul hurt his shoulder by flopping
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L20G4oQMkis
Or James Harden's flops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EOYSzVLQyc
I'm sure you Mav fans remember this Harden flop against Tyson Chandler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBLxh2uXpEE
Or this Harden flop against OKC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdICKLlISuE
Or this Monta Ellis flop against Duncan. Did this piss you off, Mav fans?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3lTG4PbNIs
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I think the argument here is who is the worst flopping team in the league; it's clearly qualitative not quantitative. And there is outstanding quality there.
Dumb that an argument is even being had, reeks of butthurt.
And the correct answer here is the Miami Heat.
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