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In reply to planoaggie123 • 7:16p, 7/19/20
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planoaggie123 said:
Well hate to be unreasonable but sounds like these are all risks you willingly signed up for or unless new in the past 5 pr 10 years? I admit I don't know all the details but they sound terrible and I wouldn't willingly work under unfair/unreasonable circumstances. Even with a teaching degree surely any teacher could likely get a job in industry as an entry accountant etc and lower those risks. If too many let maybe standards would change. Maybe? Maybe not? Maybe unreasonable?
I don't have a teaching degree and was working in the private sector for about 5 years after college so I am pretty sure I could find something.

I can only speak for myself, but I really do love teaching. When I am in the classroom, I feel like I have the greatest job in the world. Its all of the additional stuff outside of the classroom that can make it seem miserable. The one thing that is keeping me from taking a year off right now is my teaching assignment. After 7 years I finally got my dream assignment/schedule. I teach two electives and no core classes at a school that I love. There are usually only a couple of spots like this in a school and if I take a year off, the chances that I will get that spot back are almost 0.


So I am in it now.
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In reply to nai06 • 7:19p, 7/19/20
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I am glad you like it. I want teachers that want to teach. Not that do it because it gives them a summer off or some other reason

But with that I want teachers who are willing to sacrifice like many other industries. I realize some industries have less but some also have more. So accept the level of risk.

To that end all teachers should be on the phone 24/7 to ensure they can return to school safely. I am sure some are but based on what I hear most are not and are just waiting for a response and going to complain no matter what.
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In reply to planoaggie123 • 7:21p, 7/19/20
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Schools and teachers need to hold their governing bodies better. Can we quit pretending like this COVID just started last week? Planning should have started Day 1 for this school year and should have assumed the worst. The fact there are not solid plans is pathetic. Hell, just admit we don't know how to do our jobs and confirm full year virtual school. What the heck is 3 weeks going to do??? Nothing.
The problem is not the schools - it's upstream of the schools. Plans have been made, but then the rules change, and change, and change. I agree it's frustrating, but the schools should not be your target for blame.
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In reply to AggieFrog • 7:40p, 7/19/20
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AggieFrog said:
planoaggie123 said:
Schools and teachers need to hold their governing bodies better. Can we quit pretending like this COVID just started last week? Planning should have started Day 1 for this school year and should have assumed the worst. The fact there are not solid plans is pathetic. Hell, just admit we don't know how to do our jobs and confirm full year virtual school. What the heck is 3 weeks going to do??? Nothing.
The problem is not the schools - it's upstream of the schools. Plans have been made, but then the rules change, and change, and change. I agree it's frustrating, but the schools should not be your target for blame.


Exactly

Cy fair and Katy were both set to open for online or in person but we all know Lena will shut that down and it won't be possible until after Labor Day at best. And she'll just keep delaying until Abbott finds some balls and puts a stop to it.
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In reply to tylercsbn9 • 7:46p, 7/19/20
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Abbot isn't to fully blame. He is allowing for allowances but everyone is grabbing on because 1) it's cheaper and easier funding; 2) no solid plans because of wasted 5 months planning.
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4:27p, 7/21/20
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And there it is. Our public schools will be virtual only until at least February. Fall sports canceled.
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In reply to amercer • 4:30p, 7/21/20
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Fall 2021....
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In reply to amercer • 4:30p, 7/21/20
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Where?
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In reply to ag009 • 4:31p, 7/21/20
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He is partially kidding. It is the fact that 8 weeks does nothing. These people are setting up for at least an entire semester virtual. They will say they "tried" but its just not happening...
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In reply to [removed post] • 4:35p, 7/21/20
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Abbot will extend funding for schools who choose to do onilne learning through the end of the year. School districts will take him up on the offer as it is cheaper and easier...
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In reply to amercer • 6:20p, 7/21/20
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lol

I'd be seeking other options ASAP
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In reply to planoaggie123 • 6:25p, 7/21/20
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planoaggie123 said:
I've both experienced and heard the opposite.

Schools need to figure it out.

Edit: what is embarrassing is how unorganized and clueless schools / TEA are. They are lost.


It's almost as if there hasn't been a situation like this for their entire careers.
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In reply to culdeus • 6:28p, 7/21/20
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culdeus said:
planoaggie123 said:
I've both experienced and heard the opposite.

Schools need to figure it out.

Edit: what is embarrassing is how unorganized and clueless schools / TEA are. They are lost.


It's almost as if there hasn't been a situation like this for their entire careers.


And with only four short months to prepare, how can we except them to come up with a semblance of a plan?
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In reply to BSD • 7:06p, 7/21/20
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Don't worry...they will end up with 8 - 12 months to prep....
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In reply to culdeus • 7:14p, 7/21/20
culdeus said:
planoaggie123 said:
I've both experienced and heard the opposite.

Schools need to figure it out.

Edit: what is embarrassing is how unorganized and clueless schools / TEA are. They are lost.


It's almost as if there hasn't been a situation like this for their entire careers.


What educator is even remotely trained to handle this situation? Do you want them to listen to the CDC? State health departments? WHO? Local health departments?
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In reply to planoaggie123 • 7:33p, 7/21/20
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planoaggie123 said:
He is partially kidding. It is the fact that 8 weeks does nothing. These people are setting up for at least an entire semester virtual. They will say they "tried" but its just not happening...


Actually I'm in Maryland and I'm not kidding at all. It was supposed to be phased in up to a couple days a week by November, but today they just canceled all in person activity until February
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In reply to cone • 7:36p, 7/21/20
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cone said:
lol

I'd be seeking other options ASAP


Our son will be headed to a private school which should get a couple days a week in (unless the county just shuts all the private schools down out of spite)

Our daughter is on track to make it into the magnet high school and I'm afraid if we don't play along with the public school charade they'll hold it against her.
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In reply to amercer • 7:37p, 7/21/20
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Wow. Completely misread that. I sometimes think I am on a metroplex thread lol. That is AWFUL but people here need to realize it's probably coming to a town near you....
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In reply to BSD • 7:37p, 7/21/20
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BSD said:
culdeus said:
planoaggie123 said:
I've both experienced and heard the opposite.

Schools need to figure it out.

Edit: what is embarrassing is how unorganized and clueless schools / TEA are. They are lost.


It's almost as if there hasn't been a situation like this for their entire careers.


And with only four short months to prepare, how can we except them to come up with a semblance of a plan?
The state needed to provide the online solution to the entire state, and take the pressure off the local ISD on that end. They control the curriculum and should have been able to cobble together something that would be deploy able across the entire state in a pinch. Local ISD could supplement if they really wanted to. It was stupid to think every ISD needed a custom online solution developed from scratch.

This would have freed up the ISD to focus on providing proper PPE to teachers and staff and develop a robust substitute plan including perhaps even hiring more full time teachers to float. They could have chosen also to take funds to retire teachers early or offer them furlough options where the risk was high. (age, HTN, etc.)

Batch random testing like what was done in Wuhan would have been part of the plan, the one that quest was pushing but got shot down by the FDA.

A reasonably synchronous TEA sponsored online coursework could have made kid quarantines manageable also without extra ISD effort.

Not a single one of these were every seriously considered.
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In reply to amercer • 7:38p, 7/21/20
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ugh what an asswhip
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7:53p, 7/21/20
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Our school district in Parker county will be returning to in person school on August 20th. I knew it was a good idea to flee tarrant county years ago.
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7:57p, 7/21/20
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Looks like SBISD will be delaying 3 weeks. Balls.
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In reply to Smokedraw01 • 8:02p, 7/21/20
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Smokedraw01 said:
culdeus said:
planoaggie123 said:
I've both experienced and heard the opposite.

Schools need to figure it out.

Edit: what is embarrassing is how unorganized and clueless schools / TEA are. They are lost.


It's almost as if there hasn't been a situation like this for their entire careers.


What educator is even remotely trained to handle this situation? Do you want them to listen to the CDC? State health departments? WHO? Local health departments?
Oh, I don't know... maybe take a look at countries who've had kids in school?
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8:09p, 7/21/20
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Edit to delete...didn't see other thread.
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In reply to WorthAg95 • 8:14p, 7/21/20
WorthAg95 said:
Smokedraw01 said:
culdeus said:
planoaggie123 said:
I've both experienced and heard the opposite.

Schools need to figure it out.

Edit: what is embarrassing is how unorganized and clueless schools / TEA are. They are lost.


It's almost as if there hasn't been a situation like this for their entire careers.


What educator is even remotely trained to handle this situation? Do you want them to listen to the CDC? State health departments? WHO? Local health departments?
Oh, I don't know... maybe take a look at countries who've had kids in school?


Which country do we most align with as far as COVID statistics?
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11:53p, 7/27/20
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I put my money where my mouth is today and signed up to be a substitute at my youngest's preschool. Would have done the district as a whole, but the hours at my youngest's program doesn't align with a full day at public school. Once everything shakes out over the next few weeks with all the decisions there, I'm going to figure out a way to get involved with my older one's Kindergarten education.
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In reply to jopatura • 2:22a, 7/28/20
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jopatura said:
I put my money where my mouth is today and signed up to be a substitute at my youngest's preschool. Would have done the district as a whole, but the hours at my youngest's program doesn't align with a full day at public school. Once everything shakes out over the next few weeks with all the decisions there, I'm going to figure out a way to get involved with my older one's Kindergarten education.
Covid or no Covid this is amazing. It's incredibly hard to find a good and competent substitute. More often than not a substitute is just a warm body to take attendance, hand out a worksheet, and make sure an actual teacher is notified if a student gets hurt.

So thank you
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In reply to culdeus • 8:38a, 7/28/20
culdeus said:
BSD said:
culdeus said:
planoaggie123 said:
I've both experienced and heard the opposite.

Schools need to figure it out.

Edit: what is embarrassing is how unorganized and clueless schools / TEA are. They are lost.


It's almost as if there hasn't been a situation like this for their entire careers.


And with only four short months to prepare, how can we except them to come up with a semblance of a plan?
The state needed to provide the online solution to the entire state, and take the pressure off the local ISD on that end. They control the curriculum and should have been able to cobble together something that would be deploy able across the entire state in a pinch. Local ISD could supplement if they really wanted to. It was stupid to think every ISD needed a custom online solution developed from scratch.

This would have freed up the ISD to focus on providing proper PPE to teachers and staff and develop a robust substitute plan including perhaps even hiring more full time teachers to float. They could have chosen also to take funds to retire teachers early or offer them furlough options where the risk was high. (age, HTN, etc.)

Batch random testing like what was done in Wuhan would have been part of the plan, the one that quest was pushing but got shot down by the FDA.

A reasonably synchronous TEA sponsored online coursework could have made kid quarantines manageable also without extra ISD effort.

Not a single one of these were every seriously considered.


They do this already. The state lays out the requirements, and you homeschool them.

If you do not want little Billy in school, homeschool them.

Each ISD has extremely different sets of demographics that make a state wide mandates foolish.

The only recommendations that the state should have issued are:

In-person classes will be the primary method for coursework.

If you are uncomfortable with that please use one of the many certified home school programs.


That's it. I'm proud our local ISD decided that if you choose online courses you are barred from all extracurricular activities during that process. This includes clubs, sports, everything.
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In reply to fightingfarmer09 • 9:40a, 7/28/20
fightingfarmer09 said:
culdeus said:
BSD said:
culdeus said:
planoaggie123 said:
I've both experienced and heard the opposite.

Schools need to figure it out.

Edit: what is embarrassing is how unorganized and clueless schools / TEA are. They are lost.


It's almost as if there hasn't been a situation like this for their entire careers.


And with only four short months to prepare, how can we except them to come up with a semblance of a plan?
The state needed to provide the online solution to the entire state, and take the pressure off the local ISD on that end. They control the curriculum and should have been able to cobble together something that would be deploy able across the entire state in a pinch. Local ISD could supplement if they really wanted to. It was stupid to think every ISD needed a custom online solution developed from scratch.

This would have freed up the ISD to focus on providing proper PPE to teachers and staff and develop a robust substitute plan including perhaps even hiring more full time teachers to float. They could have chosen also to take funds to retire teachers early or offer them furlough options where the risk was high. (age, HTN, etc.)

Batch random testing like what was done in Wuhan would have been part of the plan, the one that quest was pushing but got shot down by the FDA.

A reasonably synchronous TEA sponsored online coursework could have made kid quarantines manageable also without extra ISD effort.

Not a single one of these were every seriously considered.


They do this already. The state lays out the requirements, and you homeschool them.

If you do not want little Billy in school, homeschool them.

Each ISD has extremely different sets of demographics that make a state wide mandates foolish.

The only recommendations that the state should have issued are:

In-person classes will be the primary method for coursework.

If you are uncomfortable with that please use one of the many certified home school programs.


That's it. I'm proud our local ISD decided that if you choose online courses you are barred from all extracurricular activities during that process. This includes clubs, sports, everything.
Yeah, I read the TEA guidelines from a couple of weeks back and not sure how much more specific they could have gotten (despite all the *****ing from school employees about how the TEA hasn't told them what to do). What works best in Dallas ISD is different from Burleson ISD which is different from Melissa ISD and that is also true within a school district. Each campus may need slightly different rules to make things work best. Problem is that the administrators at far too many school districts simply are too risk averse and afraid of repercussions to do anything without their hand being held so they can blame someone else if things don't go perfectly.
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10:03a, 7/28/20
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The problem is that counties are now stepping in and giving orders and recommendations.

Lewisville ISD is now three week virtual to start because of Denton County.

Same thing happened in Tarrant County and now ISD's are surrendering to the orders/recommendations.
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10:05a, 7/28/20
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They control the curriculum
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11:56a, 7/28/20
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Not safe to open the schools, though.
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In reply to Keegan99 • 12:15p, 7/28/20
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So it's...a private school.
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