Every district in the nation is probably ordering devices, some on a very large scale and they can't produce them fast enough.jah003 said:Charpie said:
LOL. Leander ISD is already running into issues and school won't start for high schoolers until Monday...it was supposed to start tomorrow.
Filters aren't working correctly on district issued laptops. The company that does the filters knew about it earlier in the week too. Told Leander this afternoon. Off to a great start.
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Interesting, so no one gets sick or dies from the flu?Charpie said:
Covid.
We have a flu vaccine.
And I'm not moving goal posts
Why didn't this happen in Sweden? Or other areas that opened schools even with the virus still present? Also, this would highly depend on who they give it to. Are you having 70-85 year old teachers? Or are most teachers still 30s/40s/50s?gvine07 said:
I could be wrong here, but I think the mask orders trickle down to schools is to slow community spread.
The kids may not get sick at all, but if they spread it to 4 people and those 4 spread it to 4 then our hospitals can get overwhelmed.
Maybe in the few areas in the US that are at 5% exposure you COULD be correct. A very small portion of areas could have an overwhelmed hospital if there has been minimal exposure in that area, and a big outbreak occurs. But i think those would be few and far between when the spread from children to adults seems to be minimal, and many areas are starting to hit 20+% immunity. In texas, we are estimated to be at 20-25% already having had it. I don't see any place in the world with a higher percent of their population having had it, and yet still seeing major spikes and risking overwhelming their systems. But I could be missing that.
Either way, for months I've thought we should do exactly what Sweden did and we'd be better overall. Some still don't agree. But what exactly did they do differently with their schools than what we are attempting here?
Still convinced that by the time we get a mass produced, quality/safe/reliable vaccine, most areas of the country will be on their way to being through the worst part.Jbob04 said:
I think the "vaccine" will have more of a placebo effect than anything.
But it can only help. Agreed, even if just a placebo effect. Obviously we should do everything we can regardless for the vaccine even if it's just for a mental boost. This country needs that. Unfortunately the fear created by the media may be worse from this point on than the virus itself.
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Either way, for months I've thought we should do exactly what Sweden did and we'd be better overall. Some still don't agree. But what exactly did they do differently with their schools than what we are attempting here?
They didn't scare the bejeesus out of parents, children, and teachers?
The goal is and was mitigation to prevent overwhelming ICU beds. That's it. Not prevention of infection, mitigation of spikes.
I am worried about the message to kids. That blame will be and is being placed on them directly for any bad outcomes. This is the wrong message but is sadly pretty unavoidable. People in kids' lives need to be very proactive in discussions about this illness.
I am worried about the message to kids. That blame will be and is being placed on them directly for any bad outcomes. This is the wrong message but is sadly pretty unavoidable. People in kids' lives need to be very proactive in discussions about this illness.
4 year old daughters first day of school today (just Tuesday/Thursdays)... Could not be happier for the kid, she loves school and her friends.
I have posted this before, but I think everyone should see it.
I am not sure how you can look at this data and not send kids back to school. (or care if a kid gets exposed to the virus.)
From the latest CDC data. This is 2/1-8/5.
Young kids death rate is essentially 0.
https://data.cdc.gov/d/mfqt-8agx - I think you have to have a CDC log in to see this data, I can export the raw data if anyone is interested.
COVID compared to Influenza and Pneumonia in the same time period (2/1-8/5).
https://data.cdc.gov/d/n5r7-9fvs
It is more important that the teachers socially distance from each other than anything the kids do.
I am not sure how you can look at this data and not send kids back to school. (or care if a kid gets exposed to the virus.)
From the latest CDC data. This is 2/1-8/5.
Young kids death rate is essentially 0.
https://data.cdc.gov/d/mfqt-8agx - I think you have to have a CDC log in to see this data, I can export the raw data if anyone is interested.
COVID compared to Influenza and Pneumonia in the same time period (2/1-8/5).
https://data.cdc.gov/d/n5r7-9fvs
It is more important that the teachers socially distance from each other than anything the kids do.
3rd Generation Ag said:
I hate to see districts punishing kids in families that want to stay safe. They may have grandparents living in the home...but blocked from being in band unless they go to actual school buildings or blocked from trying out for the UIL spelling team...even though this time of year most band activities are out of doors where viral load is highly reduced and academic UIL events are all available for study and practice online anyway.. UIL academics has a ton of scholarship money for kids who are successful. So they are forced to opt for face to face...take this mess home and kill grandma or grandpa
And they and their parents live with the emotional trauma of this for the rest of their lives.
I am still so worried. Latest is they want to high school kids to eat in the classroom...
I felt fairly safe behind a mask AND a face shield, but now you want me to have 30 high school kids who are already crowded in shoulder to shoulder to just fit in my room...with masks OFF eating at lunch. Plus no way I can then take MY mask off to eat.
I am actually considering getting one of those soccer mom pods to put on at lunch and add one more layer of protection for me. Some teachers are building shower curtain forts around their teacher desks.
I keep praying God has this and we will stay online for a longer time. My class count is already 28 in every class and many are still registering. Last year it was 31 per class and looks to be the same. And kids had to sit at the coteacher desk because we could not get that 31st desk in and still have any space to walk TO the desks.
Because any administration worth a crap is going to laugh at someone who wants to be hypocritical like this. You can't stay home from school because you're scared for your life and force schools to spend additional money, resources, and add technology for remote learning for your kid to come waltzing back on campus for extracurricular activities. Whether to practice or compete. Either you feel it's worth it to be "safe" to isolate your child or you don't. Putting that same kid in pods that you won't put in school is no different.
That's why many are calling this whole thing the joke that it is. Those at high risk who want to isolate should. But those who do exactly what you are suggesting make a mockery of it to everyone else.
Exactly the same for teachers. If you don't feel safe enough to teach then take a voluntary leave of absence. That option has always been there. Just like for every other essential worker. The problem is many want to stay home and be paid. That's not financially feasible for any other profession. And for tax payers it isn't either.
Teachers take great exception to be called daycare, but you know who is working and never stopped? Daycare. They acknowledge that the world can't keep going without childcare. It would be nice if teachers realized this and halfway lived up to the great services daycare has done for the community during this pandemic.
As we all should know, Sweden's healthcare system is very different. Our population is extremely different. Our geography and culture are extremely different. Despite all those differences, are you insisting we follow them on COVID issues and nationalize health care to be more similar?
And I don't think you're understanding the kids/teachers sharing it with old/at-risk people. I'm not saying that the teachers are 70/85 years old. I live within 10 minutes of my in laws (divorced and remarried) and we were seeing them regularly - they are between the ages of 65 and 80. Other teachers see theirs, too. Students see their grandparents, too. So It's not like it just gets spread at school and nowhere else.
And I don't think you're understanding the kids/teachers sharing it with old/at-risk people. I'm not saying that the teachers are 70/85 years old. I live within 10 minutes of my in laws (divorced and remarried) and we were seeing them regularly - they are between the ages of 65 and 80. Other teachers see theirs, too. Students see their grandparents, too. So It's not like it just gets spread at school and nowhere else.
gvine07 said:
As we all should know, Sweden's healthcare system is very different. Our population is extremely different. Our geography and culture are extremely different. Despite all those differences, are you insisting we follow them on COVID issues and nationalize health care to be more similar?
And I don't think you're understanding the kids/teachers sharing it with old/at-risk people. I'm not saying that the teachers are 70/85 years old. I live within 10 minutes of my in laws (divorced and remarried) and we were seeing them regularly - they are between the ages of 65 and 80. Other teachers see theirs, too. Students see their grandparents, too. So It's not like it just gets spread at school and nowhere else.
In person school is critical. Stop visiting those at risk or accept the risk in doing so without expecting others to have their kids forgo live instruction to mitigate the risk of your lifestyle choices.
After 38 years and URGENTLY needing this year before I retire, the just quit thing does not work. It is not unreasonable to expect schools to follow the guidances to make it a safe environment for workers as well as students.
exactly. Everybody wants to be special. Ohhh my poor baby isn't safe to come to school....but they can come back for band or football or UIL.AgLA06 said:3rd Generation Ag said:
I hate to see districts punishing kids in families that want to stay safe. They may have grandparents living in the home...but blocked from being in band unless they go to actual school buildings or blocked from trying out for the UIL spelling team...even though this time of year most band activities are out of doors where viral load is highly reduced and academic UIL events are all available for study and practice online anyway.. UIL academics has a ton of scholarship money for kids who are successful. So they are forced to opt for face to face...take this mess home and kill grandma or grandpa
And they and their parents live with the emotional trauma of this for the rest of their lives.
I am still so worried. Latest is they want to high school kids to eat in the classroom...
I felt fairly safe behind a mask AND a face shield, but now you want me to have 30 high school kids who are already crowded in shoulder to shoulder to just fit in my room...with masks OFF eating at lunch. Plus no way I can then take MY mask off to eat.
I am actually considering getting one of those soccer mom pods to put on at lunch and add one more layer of protection for me. Some teachers are building shower curtain forts around their teacher desks.
I keep praying God has this and we will stay online for a longer time. My class count is already 28 in every class and many are still registering. Last year it was 31 per class and looks to be the same. And kids had to sit at the coteacher desk because we could not get that 31st desk in and still have any space to walk TO the desks.
Because any administration worth a crap is going to laugh at someone who wants to be hypocritical like this. You can't stay home from school because you're scared for your life and force schools to spend additional money, resources, and add technology for remote learning for your kid to come waltzing back on campus for extracurricular activities. Whether to practice or compete. Either you feel it's worth it to be "safe" to isolate your child or you don't. Putting that same kid in pods that you won't put in school is no different.
That's why many are calling this whole thing the joke that it is. Those at high risk who want to isolate should. But those who do exactly what you are suggesting make a mockery of it to everyone else.
Exactly the same for teachers. If you don't feel safe enough to teach then take a voluntary leave of absence. That option has always been there. Just like for every other essential worker. The problem is many want to stay home and be paid. That's not financially feasible for any other profession. And for tax payers it isn't either.
Teachers take great exception to be called daycare, but you know who is working and never stopped? Daycare. They acknowledge that the world can't keep going without childcare. It would be nice if teachers realized this and halfway lived up to the great services daycare has done for the community during this pandemic.
What school has welcomed back band? My kid is in week two of virtual band camp with no competitions planned this year. We've cleaned out the garage and driveway so she has practice space.
Those are choices families are making. (And at this point I understand and support those choices, continued isolation of older family members isn't always the best for them either). If those people need to be protected, protect them by either keeping your children away from them or away from school. Don't shut down an entire education system to keep them safe. That isn't feasible or desirable long term.gvine07 said:
As we all should know, Sweden's healthcare system is very different. Our population is extremely different. Our geography and culture are extremely different. Despite all those differences, are you insisting we follow them on COVID issues and nationalize health care to be more similar?
And I don't think you're understanding the kids/teachers sharing it with old/at-risk people. I'm not saying that the teachers are 70/85 years old. I live within 10 minutes of my in laws (divorced and remarried) and we were seeing them regularly - they are between the ages of 65 and 80. Other teachers see theirs, too. Students see their grandparents, too. So It's not like it just gets spread at school and nowhere else.
Is your position that the reason Sweden has successfully handled covid is their nationalized health care? How so?
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You've been pretty vocal here about not wanting to go back. Sorry about your retirement situation, but your retirement is not more important than millions of kids getting back to school. Maybe the state/districts can work something out for teachers in your situation, because it is clear you don't want to teach anymore.3rd Generation Ag said:
After 38 years and URGENTLY needing this year before I retire, the just quit thing does not work. It is not unreasonable to expect schools to follow the guidances to make it a safe environment for workers as well as students.
Boerne ISD has had band practice since July 27. After school practice starts today and will be M/T/Th. And are allowing at home students to participate. Same with athletics.Charpie said:
What school has welcomed back band? My kid is in week two of virtual band camp with no competitions planned this year. We've cleaned out the garage and driveway so she has practice space.
3rd Generation Ag said:
After 38 years and URGENTLY needing this year before I retire, the just quit thing does not work. It is not unreasonable to expect schools to follow the guidances to make it a safe environment for workers as well as students.
Honest question, are you this concerned during flu season every year? If you are high risk for Covid then you would be high risk for flu at your age.
Well despite the first two days of HS being cancelled just last night, our middle and elementary school kids are off and running. A few IT bumps, kinks will be worked out as teachers and kids learn the routine, but overall I am very happy that they are engaged with their education even if remote. TEachers and school districts have taken a lot of heat and while things aren't running perfectly, I understand the huge challenge this has been and commend our district for all that they have done so far. Hope to get them back in a classroom as soon as allowed.
Aren't they a 3A school? How many kids go to Boerne High?
we have 2. BHS is 4 A, Champion HS is 5A. IDK about BHS but Champion has ~1800Charpie said:
Aren't they a 3A school? How many kids go to Boerne High?
Also we are in school, started yesterday. 80% in person, 77% district wide.Charpie said:
Aren't they a 3A school? How many kids go to Boerne High?
Gotcha. It's hard to compare 4a and 5a schools with schools that accommodate 2500 plus kids. Our band alone had 350 members
I agree. And with a lot of schools only virtual at this point...Charpie said:
Gotcha. It's hard to compare 4a and 5a schools with schools that accommodate 2500 plus kids. Our band alone had 350 members
We have 190 kids in band, but that includes color guard and those only taking band class. idk how many will march this year.
Bassmaster said:You've been pretty vocal here about not wanting to go back. Sorry about your retirement situation, but your retirement is not more important than millions of kids getting back to school. Maybe the state/districts can work something out for teachers in your situation, because it is clear you don't want to teach anymore.3rd Generation Ag said:
After 38 years and URGENTLY needing this year before I retire, the just quit thing does not work. It is not unreasonable to expect schools to follow the guidances to make it a safe environment for workers as well as students.
Or I bet you could take a leave of absence and finish next year. Inconvenient, but not as much as shutting down schools.
And we're back to questions regarding if decisions are being made in the best interest of the kids.
Because it's not just about the kids. It's faculty/staff safety, substitute availability, community spread, etc. It's just not that simple.AgLA06 said:
And we're back to questions regarding if decisions are being made in the best interest of the kids.
AggieFrog said:Because it's not just about the kids. It's faculty/staff safety, substitute availability, community spread, etc. It's just not that simple.AgLA06 said:
And we're back to questions regarding if decisions are being made in the best interest of the kids.
It absolutely should be. The mission of providing kids the best education possible should outweigh a 1% risk to the educators or administrators.
Sometimes, the mission comes first and outweighs the countervailing concerns. This is one of those times.
I'm hearing a school in Mesquite has apparently been shutdown within two days of restart due to a teacher testing positive. I guess the teachers didn't have protocols to isolate before going back into the classroom?
100%
Unfortunately it's become for many just another cushy government job.
Unfortunately it's become for many just another cushy government job.
If the policy is to panic and shut an entire school down based on one positive test, we're screwed.
tysker said:
I'm hearing a school in Mesquite has apparently been shutdown within two days of restart due to a teacher testing positive. I guess the teachers didn't have protocols to isolate before going back into the classroom?
That would be gross mismanagement if true.
Define 1% risk? Of dying? Of having a serious infection (which is > 1%)? Of there being substitute shortages (definitely > 1% if there is spread in the school)?The_Fox said:AggieFrog said:Because it's not just about the kids. It's faculty/staff safety, substitute availability, community spread, etc. It's just not that simple.AgLA06 said:
And we're back to questions regarding if decisions are being made in the best interest of the kids.
It absolutely should be. The mission of providing kids the best education possible should outweigh a 1% risk to the educators or administrators.
Sometimes, the mission comes first and outweighs the countervailing concerns. This is one of those times.
Like I said, it's just not that simple. Reducing it to merely being about the students is ignoring all the other issues.
Well - is it a public school or private? If private, how small? Agreed if it's a large public school it sounds like an overreaction. If it's a pretty small private school, maybe not.AgLA06 said:tysker said:
I'm hearing a school in Mesquite has apparently been shutdown within two days of restart due to a teacher testing positive. I guess the teachers didn't have protocols to isolate before going back into the classroom?
That would be gross mismanagement if true.
Public school. Full disclosure I'm hearing the information second hand from a teacher in the school that is a family friend.AggieFrog said:Well - is it a public school or private? If private, how small? Agreed if it's a large public school it sounds like an overreaction. If it's a pretty small private school, maybe not.AgLA06 said:tysker said:
I'm hearing a school in Mesquite has apparently been shutdown within two days of restart due to a teacher testing positive. I guess the teachers didn't have protocols to isolate before going back into the classroom?
That would be gross mismanagement if true.
I just don't get it, people are making this crap way more complicated, on purpose I assume, than needs to be. I posted above about a teacher at our school, high risk, teaching from a remote classroom for one of my daughters classes (she is in person).
Seems that would work out for 3rd gen. If that district can't figure out solutions for high risk, they are stupid, or just not trying at all.
I am sure someone will come along and provide a bunch of reasons why that wont for for xyz district....well, figure out what does work. So lazy.
Seems that would work out for 3rd gen. If that district can't figure out solutions for high risk, they are stupid, or just not trying at all.
I am sure someone will come along and provide a bunch of reasons why that wont for for xyz district....well, figure out what does work. So lazy.
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