Remember, all this is to slow the spread and based on science!cone said:
I just don't understand why a negative test is insufficient to be allowed back in school if your kids has a runny nose
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because there are 200,000 people dead just from covid. We've got to lock down to slow the spread. How selfish a society are we when all we care about is money and jobs and not the least of these. Texas is a disgrace that we have opened up so much. Seeking almighty dollar on the backs of our poor schoolchildren and teachers. It makes me physically ill to drive by a school and see children walking together into a human petri dish. Poor sheep being herded into pens and then released to be human torches of infection into a wheatfield of society. Wish we had the common sense of Newsom. We've got to slow the spread, stay apart, wear masks AND face shields, and maybe, just maybe, with a vaccine and mandatory forced vaccination, by 2022 we can resume to normal. Pull together, people.cone said:
I just don't understand why a negative test is insufficient to be allowed back in school if your kids has a runny nose
I hope my sarcasm-meter is reading correctly here....Prexys Moon said:because there are 200,000 people dead just from covid. We've got to lock down to slow the spread. How selfish a society are we when all we care about is money and jobs and not the least of these. Texas is a disgrace that we have opened up so much. Seeking almighty dollar on the backs of our poor schoolchildren and teachers. It makes me physically ill to drive by a school and see children walking together into a human petri dish. Poor sheep being herded into pens and then released to be human torches of infection into a wheatfield of society. Wish we had the common sense of Newsom. We've got to slow the spread, stay apart, wear masks AND face shields, and maybe, just maybe, with a vaccine and mandatory forced vaccination, by 2022 we can resume to normal. Pull together, people.cone said:
I just don't understand why a negative test is insufficient to be allowed back in school if your kids has a runny nose
Actually, and I know you know this, stats do not make an opinion a fact. Facts, statistics, expert opinions, etc. bolster opinions and strengthen an argument.HowdyTexasAggies said:
Nope, that is a fact. The two stats make my other statement fact as well.
No kidding.Aggie Pharmer said:I hope my sarcasm-meter is reading correctly here....Prexys Moon said:because there are 200,000 people dead just from covid. We've got to lock down to slow the spread. How selfish a society are we when all we care about is money and jobs and not the least of these. Texas is a disgrace that we have opened up so much. Seeking almighty dollar on the backs of our poor schoolchildren and teachers. It makes me physically ill to drive by a school and see children walking together into a human petri dish. Poor sheep being herded into pens and then released to be human torches of infection into a wheatfield of society. Wish we had the common sense of Newsom. We've got to slow the spread, stay apart, wear masks AND face shields, and maybe, just maybe, with a vaccine and mandatory forced vaccination, by 2022 we can resume to normal. Pull together, people.cone said:
I just don't understand why a negative test is insufficient to be allowed back in school if your kids has a runny nose
20+ million people lost jobs (not to mention repos, foreclosures, etc) because of a shutdown that killed 200,000 (.00006% of the 330 million US population). 99%+ of the population who actually gets it survives. That's assuming Covid actually killed 200K people. It's been shown time and again that many of those deaths aren't actually from Covid.
Maybe you have a trust fund or something, but I don't know a single person that would resign over going back to work right now.
Not a single person thinks twice about the flu. Something there is a yearly vaccine for. The flue has been around 100s of years and killed twice as many people this decade alone. No matter what BS utopia people try to invent death is the result of life. Vaccine or no vaccine.
What chaps me is when people think we are opening simply out of greed for money. They don't seem to equate money to feeding the family and paying the bills. They think that can all be supplemented or replaced by government hand outs. Not to mention the psychology of going to work and school vs. staying at home. Opening has a purpose and with this virus, the benefits far outweigh the risks.
I have 2 little girls. One 6, one 2.
My 6 year old is really bright, but she's also a social butterfly. March through August was rough on her. We saw changes in personality that weren't good because she couldn't see friends and interact.
Our 2 year old was definitely impacted by no day care or outside social interaction. It really impacted her ability to learn to talk and communicate. The social interaction wasn't there. 1/4 of her life was impacted by the shut down. We had to arrange speech therapy because she was actually regressing.
That was how we are impacted and my wife is a private school teacher and our kids are in private schools and receive a lot of extra reading and instruction. Now think about what this shut down did to the average public school kid that doesn't have any of that. Most are a year or two behind the average private school before this. Now where will they be? That's just educationally. Now what about those that only got wholesome meals because of school lunch? What about the fact that a large majority of domestic abuse in children is only discovered, reported, and corrected because of their teachers?
We most likely set back the youngest generation years over a virus that if like most viruses can't be cured. So don't try to justify this because it's for the great good. Nothing that has taken place since March has been to anyone's benefit.
My 6 year old is really bright, but she's also a social butterfly. March through August was rough on her. We saw changes in personality that weren't good because she couldn't see friends and interact.
Our 2 year old was definitely impacted by no day care or outside social interaction. It really impacted her ability to learn to talk and communicate. The social interaction wasn't there. 1/4 of her life was impacted by the shut down. We had to arrange speech therapy because she was actually regressing.
That was how we are impacted and my wife is a private school teacher and our kids are in private schools and receive a lot of extra reading and instruction. Now think about what this shut down did to the average public school kid that doesn't have any of that. Most are a year or two behind the average private school before this. Now where will they be? That's just educationally. Now what about those that only got wholesome meals because of school lunch? What about the fact that a large majority of domestic abuse in children is only discovered, reported, and corrected because of their teachers?
We most likely set back the youngest generation years over a virus that if like most viruses can't be cured. So don't try to justify this because it's for the great good. Nothing that has taken place since March has been to anyone's benefit.
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Amazing!Prexys Moon said:because there are 200,000 people dead just from covid. We've got to lock down to slow the spread. How selfish a society are we when all we care about is money and jobs and not the least of these. Texas is a disgrace that we have opened up so much. Seeking almighty dollar on the backs of our poor schoolchildren and teachers. It makes me physically ill to drive by a school and see children walking together into a human petri dish. Poor sheep being herded into pens and then released to be human torches of infection into a wheatfield of society. Wish we had the common sense of Newsom. We've got to slow the spread, stay apart, wear masks AND face shields, and maybe, just maybe, with a vaccine and mandatory forced vaccination, by 2022 we can resume to normal. Pull together, people.cone said:
I just don't understand why a negative test is insufficient to be allowed back in school if your kids has a runny nose
it's a fact that HISD won't let you back within 14 days if you have cold symptoms including runny nose even if you have a negative COVID test
just wanted to interject another fact
just wanted to interject another fact
rojo_ag said:Actually, and I know you know this, stats do not make an opinion a fact. Facts, statistics, expert opinions, etc. bolster opinions and strengthen an argument.HowdyTexasAggies said:
Nope, that is a fact. The two stats make my other statement fact as well.
OK. So I quoted my statements below which you seem to have issues with.as being an opinion.
"Agreed, they don't get the ridiculousness of what this country has done to children and the economy, simply out of overblown fear."
"Whats being done to kids out of fear is unforgivable. It's beyond irresponsible, period. 98%+ survivable. There is no justification other fear and politics. That is a fact."
Which part of this do you think is opinion? You don't think the approach has been ridiculous? You don't think its overblown fear? You think its ok what has been done to the economy? You don't think children have been severely impacted? You don't think this is political? You think what is being done to kids is responsible?
Aglaw articulated great examples above. But, you already know this information and choose to ignore it to justify your opinion.
Ya'all ever see those plastic Coca Cola tables and chairs in Mexico? I got 3, well actually 2 now as one has given up I think, US citizen kids that come to our plant in Mexico and in sit in our outside lunch areas on Ipads using those Coca Cola tables and chairs to access our plants WiFi so they can take some of their classes from Rio Grande City. They live with their families in Mexico, but under the rule and law of the land they are US citizens, natural born, and entitled to be educated.
One lives with grandparents as his dad, a US citizen, died years ago and the mom is MIA I guess. To see these kids struggle, because they do, at this age anyway, still want to learn and better themselves is hard. Their education is really suffering as I try to help them out as much as I can, but the bandwidth gets eaten up something fierce when they are zooming or I catch the little bastages playing games and I rip them. This is no environment to put a kid in to try and learn. And isn't much better at home. A minority of kids live with Ward and June at home and the good school environment that many had as a shelter is gone.
A bunch of kids in poverty high areas have just checked the F' out of this deal. A high percentage of kids are flunking, some for being young pissants and others because they don't have internet and others because their parents could give a rats como se llama about their kids. It ain't only in border lands, it is every where.
I mean for God's sake the British held schools during the battle of Britain. So did the Germans as they were getting hammered. The Vietcong did the same, with lots of indoctrination mind you. And everyone is telling me in the glorious United States that we can't have kids return to school for an illness with low rates of death? For God's sake all these officials just need to tell the truth and we need a large percentage of the population to confront this madness.
In Texas, at least from what I have seen, it has been a half ass effort all around to get kids back to school. No use of ample outdoor areas, no rotation in schedules, nothing innovative. I am sure I have missed something and I know there are lots of good and great teachers and my hat is off to them, and all that are trying. But at the top the fear pandering and lack of direction is shocking to observe.
One lives with grandparents as his dad, a US citizen, died years ago and the mom is MIA I guess. To see these kids struggle, because they do, at this age anyway, still want to learn and better themselves is hard. Their education is really suffering as I try to help them out as much as I can, but the bandwidth gets eaten up something fierce when they are zooming or I catch the little bastages playing games and I rip them. This is no environment to put a kid in to try and learn. And isn't much better at home. A minority of kids live with Ward and June at home and the good school environment that many had as a shelter is gone.
A bunch of kids in poverty high areas have just checked the F' out of this deal. A high percentage of kids are flunking, some for being young pissants and others because they don't have internet and others because their parents could give a rats como se llama about their kids. It ain't only in border lands, it is every where.
I mean for God's sake the British held schools during the battle of Britain. So did the Germans as they were getting hammered. The Vietcong did the same, with lots of indoctrination mind you. And everyone is telling me in the glorious United States that we can't have kids return to school for an illness with low rates of death? For God's sake all these officials just need to tell the truth and we need a large percentage of the population to confront this madness.
In Texas, at least from what I have seen, it has been a half ass effort all around to get kids back to school. No use of ample outdoor areas, no rotation in schedules, nothing innovative. I am sure I have missed something and I know there are lots of good and great teachers and my hat is off to them, and all that are trying. But at the top the fear pandering and lack of direction is shocking to observe.
" Aglaw articulated great examples above. But, you already know this information and choose to ignore it to justify your opinion."
Are you even reading my posts?
We BOTH have the same opinion: Schools should be open, and the mitigation strategies are unnecessarily extreme (IMO). In addition, children will almost certainly have a mild case and will survive (fact). Teachers are essential workers and should be on campus (opinion).
Please quote where I have suggested otherwise.
All I want to do is explain why schools will continue to mitigate. So confused by your posts.
Oh, and facts still don't make an opinion a fact. Some still believe that schools should be closed. I don't agree.
Are you even reading my posts?
We BOTH have the same opinion: Schools should be open, and the mitigation strategies are unnecessarily extreme (IMO). In addition, children will almost certainly have a mild case and will survive (fact). Teachers are essential workers and should be on campus (opinion).
Please quote where I have suggested otherwise.
All I want to do is explain why schools will continue to mitigate. So confused by your posts.
Oh, and facts still don't make an opinion a fact. Some still believe that schools should be closed. I don't agree.
That's probably because you keep saying we all share the same opinion and then spend the bulk of your posts justifying the opposite opinion.rojo_ag said:
" Aglaw articulated great examples above. But, you already know this information and choose to ignore it to justify your opinion."
Are you even reading my posts?
We BOTH have the same opinion: Schools should be open, and the mitigation strategies are unnecessarily extreme (IMO). In addition, children will almost certainly have a mild case and will survive (fact). Teachers are essential workers and should be on campus (opinion).
Please quote where I have suggested otherwise.
All I want to do is explain why schools will continue to mitigate. So confused by your posts.
Oh, and facts still don't make an opinion a fact. Some still believe that schools should be closed. I don't agree.
AgLA06 said:That's probably because you keep saying we all share the same opinion and then spend the bulk of your posts justifying the opposite opinion.rojo_ag said:
" Aglaw articulated great examples above. But, you already know this information and choose to ignore it to justify your opinion."
Are you even reading my posts?
We BOTH have the same opinion: Schools should be open, and the mitigation strategies are unnecessarily extreme (IMO). In addition, children will almost certainly have a mild case and will survive (fact). Teachers are essential workers and should be on campus (opinion).
Please quote where I have suggested otherwise.
All I want to do is explain why schools will continue to mitigate. So confused by your posts.
Oh, and facts still don't make an opinion a fact. Some still believe that schools should be closed. I don't agree.
Uh. No. Schools should be open. That's the primary assertion. No disagreement from me.
COVID-19 is like a bad flu and should be treated as such. IMO, this comparison is absolutely ridiculous and I have evidence to support my claim. People who continue to argue this point are IMO brain damaged, trolling, and/or stubborn.
This disease is less lethal than the flu for ages 0-17. Irrefutable evidence to emphasize that schools should fully open without masking or social distancing. . .IF the 0-17 year old were teaching and running the campuses themselves.
Because the 0-17 need supervision and guidance, here we are.
cone said:
I just don't understand why a negative test is insufficient to be allowed back in school if your kids has a runny nose
While I'm still agree with your premise, our pastor that married us was feeling pretty bad with flu like symptoms and had 2 negative tests last week. Kept feeling bad, and got worse, then finally had a positive test in the hospital.
Now, he's a responsible adult and hopefully quarantined but if you have negative tests and go about your day, you could very well have spread it.
You're comparing somebody talking about someone that essentially lacks any symptoms to someone that had obvious flu like symptoms. Quarantining people that lack symptoms and a negative test result seems pretty bad policy.
c-jags said:cone said:
I just don't understand why a negative test is insufficient to be allowed back in school if your kids has a runny nose
While I'm still agree with your premise, our pastor that married us was feeling pretty bad with flu like symptoms and had 2 negative tests last week. Kept feeling bad, and got worse, then finally had a positive test in the hospital.
Now, he's a responsible adult and hopefully quarantined but if you have negative tests and go about your day, you could very well have spread it.
Big part of that was that he continued to feel bad and got worse. If your kid has a fever and a bad cough for a day or two and clearly recovers, and also presents a negative test, there's no reason that they shouldn't go back to school.
i'm in total agreement. i'm not saying i agree whatsoever with schools' policies here. they're terrible for everybody.Fenrir said:
You're comparing somebody talking about someone that essentially lacks any symptoms to someone that had obvious flu like symptoms. Quarantining people that lack symptoms and a negative test result seems pretty bad policy.
i'm just saying from a district's standpoint, if you show the slightest of symptoms (runny nose seems the easiest to highlight) and have a negative test, it doesn't mean you don't have it. i understand why a nanny state school would want to keep you out for 2 weeks.
again, i think it's draconian and i don't agree with these measures, but i understand their actions.
^photographer turned COVID expert? Interesting.
gvine07 said:
^photographer turned COVID expert? Interesting.
From the tweeters About Me Page :
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I have a Bachelor's degree from Emory University with a double major in Psychology and Educational Studies, and a background in math and information technology. I have worked in the information technology field for over 20 years, as a Technical Writer, Research & Database Manager, and in many other roles.
I dont think she's claiming to be an expert as much as a consolidator of news and information. But then again I often get my covid information from such expert sources as basketball players, actors and gas station attendants.
At the school district I am at it appears that they are starting to realize the error in quarantining policy for students and teachers and are laxing it a bit, finally. It was way to strict and students were suffering as a result. I hope this trend continues.
What was it and how did it change?
Sounds like AISD. My district which is just west of aisd had two weeks online and then back at it. 75%ish is now back in class. Last few weeks we seem to a have a positive test every few days and now the 8th grade boys football team is quarantined due to a small out break but the show goes on.
Nothing "official" yet things that had meant automatic quarantine now seems to be just quarantine those that are positive, and more effort is made to keep as many people in school as possible. Undoubtedly if the contact is viewed as enough there is still a quarantine, but a negative test (not sure how many tests) is enough to come back if indeed you are quarantined. It's really a much smarter way to handle it. It was hurting kids education by making them stay home, then bringing them back etc or forcing teachers and coaches out with not enough subs to fill and kids having to deal with that. Frisco apparently still won't take a negative test and makes contacts quarantine the full 10-14 days.cc_ag92 said:
What was it and how did it change?
Capitol Ag said:Nothing "official" yet things that had meant automatic quarantine now seems to be just quarantine those that are positive, and more effort is made to keep as many people in school as possible. Undoubtedly if the contact is viewed as enough there is still a quarantine, but a negative test (not sure how many tests) is enough to come back if indeed you are quarantined. It's really a much smarter way to handle it. It was hurting kids education by making them stay home, then bringing them back etc or forcing teachers and coaches out with not enough subs to fill and kids having to deal with that. Frisco apparently still won't take a negative test and makes contacts quarantine the full 10-14 days.cc_ag92 said:
What was it and how did it change?
Boerne isd already went through this and relaxed the rules for this same reason. You would think these schools would be sharing data. Or, look at the global data that already showed COVID wasn't spreading in schools HS and below. Our country is guided by Fear, not logic or science
Agree. I think a lot of it was a couple of things. A lot of teachers are older. Districts fear losing experienced teachers due to fear of the virus. Also, I don't think they realized what a large block of teachers and students would be wiped out into quarantine with 1 or 2 positive tests. Third is optics. They wanted to appear to be in front of this and compassionate (there's that word again that is causing a lot of this-but it's way too subjective to use for policy) as there are parents that are very concerned about the virus either hurting their children (science doesn't support this) or possibly being carried by the kiddos to the grandparents etc. Or just flat our scared and using fear to live their lives. Just listening to kids talk, they echo their parents. Some will say it's a "hoax" while others will show actual fear and talk about the deaths. I keep my mouth shut and listen and it's amazing the wide gulf that obviously the parents have.HowdyTexasAggies said:Capitol Ag said:Nothing "official" yet things that had meant automatic quarantine now seems to be just quarantine those that are positive, and more effort is made to keep as many people in school as possible. Undoubtedly if the contact is viewed as enough there is still a quarantine, but a negative test (not sure how many tests) is enough to come back if indeed you are quarantined. It's really a much smarter way to handle it. It was hurting kids education by making them stay home, then bringing them back etc or forcing teachers and coaches out with not enough subs to fill and kids having to deal with that. Frisco apparently still won't take a negative test and makes contacts quarantine the full 10-14 days.cc_ag92 said:
What was it and how did it change?
Boerne isd already went through this and relaxed the rules for this same reason. You would think these schools would be sharing data. Or, look at the global data that already showed COVID wasn't spreading in schools HS and below. Our country is guided by Fear, not logic or science
Frisco has a large Indian community. I have former personal training clients in that community and some of them are still very much limiting their travels and contacts. Many keep their kids online in that community. But many families from India have older parents and grandparents either in the house or in close contact.
That might be the most insane thing I have read in response to this pandemic...and that is saying something. Are they naively blind to the rest of the world and all data collected to this point, just willfully ignorant, or driven by an agenda?
HISD finally opened for in-person learning yesterday, and they closed 16 campuses today. The article I read said it is their policy to close an entire campus for a single positive or presumed positive case. Some people have truly lost all common sense.
Fan said:
HISD finally opened for in-person learning yesterday, and they closed 16 campuses today. The article I read said it is their policy to close an entire campus for a single positive or presumed positive case. Some people have truly lost all common sense.
So much SCIENCE!!! And DATA!!!
ask what a presumed positive includes
hint hint start with runny nose and extrapolate out
hint hint start with runny nose and extrapolate out
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