Reopening Schools

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Willy Wonka said:

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Pretty sure news of positive Coronavirus cases would be a big deal right now.


FIFY.

If you're not hearing it on the news. Consider it positive Coronavirus news.


So that's kind of the issue. Random Twitter guy (maybe/maybe not) cherry picking positive data isn't positive news.

The NYT/Was Post does run positive stories when they find them. On schools opening in other places, on the possibility of heard immunity being reached at lower levels than thought possible. I'm not headed down any F16 rabbit holes.

Hopefully this news is confirmed, and makes it into the press so people can start to feel more reassured.
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Confirmed how? Have another source pull the same data from the school district web site and write a story?
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Maybe by talking to the people involved? Confirming that the reported numbers are correct? Investigating other school districts in Georgia to see how they are doing and then repotting on broader trends?

The numbers from many places support opening schools. Random Twitter guys aren't going to move the needle. I'll be happy when broader reporting on schools that have opened happens.

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amercer said:

Willy Wonka said:

amercer said:

Pretty sure news of positive Coronavirus cases would be a big deal right now.


FIFY.

If you're not hearing it on the news. Consider it positive Coronavirus news.


So that's kind of the issue. Random Twitter guy (maybe/maybe not) cherry picking positive data isn't positive news.

The NYT/Was Post does run positive stories when they find them. On schools opening in other places, on the possibility of heard immunity being reached at lower levels than thought possible. I'm not headed down any F16 rabbit holes.

Hopefully this news is confirmed, and makes it into the press so people can start to feel more reassured.


The media's entire business is being funded off of the hysteria, so I think it's pretty obvious they are trumpeting negative stores and minimizing the positive ones. This is literally the source data, not sure what else you want.
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In other news, my house didn't burn down last night, it's not in the news so I can't be sure yet but I'm pretty sure

The headline "kids attend school and then go home" isn't very sexy and certainly doesn't fit the narrative.

"$12 Billion spent on Sturgis super duper spreader" is sexy and fits the narrative. It's a lie but who cares about those mundane details anyway. If it's in the news it's important.
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I think a lot has to do with the mindset too, half the people in the country are more liberal/feelings based and the other half is more facts/numbers based. This can be female vs male, political upbringing, nature vs nurture, or for whatever reason on certain issues. The people that are more feelings based get their news from magazines like the Times or whatever where they go into feelings like fear, uncertainty, etc. and the fact base have a smaller pocket to get their information from, or most feel that way. To me I can come to a lot of conclusions by looking at city, state, country, and not have my feelings make a decision for me.

I know a lot of the moms I spoke with were more hesitant to send their kids back to school because of the what-ifs (feelings based). Where from my side I could see the IFR, CFR, and compare it to the mental/emotional health of my kids and it was a no brainer to send the kids back (numbers based). Add the better education they would receive in a class format with someone trained to teach, the sports they can be involved with.

As bad as it sounds there are some people that want to keep the schools closed since it helps the economy stay bad. I forget the exact number but if kids had to stay home that would put around 17 million jobs in jeopardy since the parents cannot work from home to do that. Look at what California is doing with being shut down until at least spring 2021 and they are averaging under 100 deaths a day now (which is decreasing) with a population of 40 million. They are under the percent positive they deemed months ago would dictate reopening but nope Halloween is cancelled now. My sister works in Texas but the company is based in California, they said she could not go on a sales call until at least March 2021. So while education and the economy should not be political is has become so
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coolerguy12 said:

In other news, my house didn't burn down last night, it's not in the news so I can't be sure yet but I'm pretty sure

The headline "kids attend school and then go home" isn't very sexy and certainly doesn't fit the narrative.

"$12 Billion spent on Sturgis super duper spreader" is sexy and fits the narrative. It's a lie but who cares about those mundane details anyway. If it's in the news it's important.


Did 200,000 burn down in your neighborhood last night?

And yeah, when a out of control wildfire misses some town, it does make the news.

But bad analogies aside, I do expect to see some real reporting soon on what's going on in places that are back in school. And I expect that reporting to have a major impact on what other school districts across the country decide to do. So I am eagerly looking forward to it.
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You have real reporting on this very thread by people like me with kids in HS. It isn't an issue for schools. What I am seeing, hearing and dealing with personally with 3 kids in HS is just as Has been reported globally.
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As said, Howdy's kids and mine have been in person school since August 12th. We've posted here several times. What is it you want to know?
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HowdyTexasAggies said:

You have real reporting on this very thread by people like me with kids in HS. It isn't an issue for schools. What I am seeing, hearing and dealing with personally with 3 kids in HS is just as Has been reported globally.
Agreed 100%. But they aren't looking for facts. Their response to me was what is the Times/Post saying about it. They're more of an agitator it appears.
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And I expect that reporting to have a major impact on what other school districts across the country decide to do.


You literally just typed out why you won't see positive reporting. The people telling you what to believe don't want school back. They have told you 1,000 times that this is the new normal, can't walk that back now when they just have two more months to hang on till the election.
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88planoAg said:

As said, Howdy's kids and mine have been in person school since August 12th. We've posted here several times. What is it you want to know?


I dropped my 3rd grader off at school this morning. Not only am I unconcerned about him going in person, I'm paying many thousands of dollars to make it happen. What I need is for the public schools here to open as well so my 8th grader can go.

Some actual reporting (not Twitter guy, not anecdotes from texags posters) about what's going on in schools that have reopened is needed to put pressure on the school officials where I live.

That's what I want.
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amercer said:

88planoAg said:

As said, Howdy's kids and mine have been in person school since August 12th. We've posted here several times. What is it you want to know?


I dropped my 3rd grader off at school this morning. Not only am I unconcerned about him going in person, I'm paying many thousands of dollars to make it happen. What I need is for the public schools here to open as well so my 8th grader can go.

Some actual reporting (not Twitter guy, not anecdotes from texags posters) about what's going on in schools that have reopened is needed to put pressure on the school officials where I live.

That's what I want.
Aren't school boards elected? Perhaps you could start by putting pressure on them by showing facts? Showing actual numbers produced by people other then the liberal media?
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Here's a story about how it's impossible to get actual numbers out of Florida schools:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/florida-coronavirus-schools/2020/09/08/711fa780-eee4-11ea-ab4e-581edb849379_story.html

Both sides are making it political. So no, me forwarding on some analysis from Twitter or some county reported numbers that nobody trusts isn't going to help.

There was another article in the Post this morning about DC changing course a bit and looking to get some kids back into buildings after the local private and charter schools opened last week without disaster. That's what we need more of.
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So your school district won't believe numbers from another school district?
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Not one in Georgia or Florida
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amercer said:

Not one in Georgia or Florida


Convenient they won't believe numbers from the 2 states who led the charge to reopen. Or Europe.

That just leaves everyone closed.
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It would be helpful if Florida didn't make it look like they were hiding the numbers.

That's why I would be interested in some actual reporting.

The Europe thing is true, but the general feeling is that they did so much better in their response that of course they can open up schools now.
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Look at what gvine07 posted above in this thread for prosper ISD. I would search for any local based reporting on schools such as this that are providing similar type COVID reporting. You would likely find Tweets or local news reporting on their stats.


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New Bruanfels ISD has some decent data. Someone is bound to have reported on the stats.

Be careful though of SA news reporting, they may be taking a negative angle. The inner San Antonio area ISDs have been trying to find ways to keep schools closed vs. actually opening for in person. They set the positivity rate at 5% thinking they would never get there, but they are already very close. Now they are crapping they acctually have to open...I have heard this direct from someone that participates in the superintendent meetings, and a dr. that is involved.

https://sites.google.com/nbisd.org/nbisdcovid-19dashboard/district-dashboard
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amercer said:

It would be helpful if Florida didn't make it look like they were hiding the numbers.

That's why I would be interested in some actual reporting.

The Europe thing is true, but the general feeling is that they did so much better in their response that of course they can open up schools now.


Here's the problem, no one trusts the media.

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No one trusts anyone in this country.

Still, I'm in a state Biden will win by 40 points whether schools are open or not. The key is shaming the school board and the teachers union into opening back up. That's going to require more stories about places doing it without catastrophic results.
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If you put the work in, you can assemble plenty of data by way of various Texas ISDs that are already open. Look for ISDs on the outskirts of major cities. If I were in your shoes, i would assemble a report of these districts across the state with links to each of the district data. There should be plenty of them to cite and show there are no issues.
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amercer said:

No one trusts anyone in this country.

Still, I'm in a state Biden will win by 40 points whether schools are open or not. The key is shaming the school board and the teachers union into opening back up. That's going to require more stories about places doing it without catastrophic results.


I'm going to go out on a limb and say that a newspaper in a state that Biden is going to win by 40 is not going to go against local school bureaucracy and teachers unions in an attempt to shame them.
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Most schools have covid dashboards with real numbers. Some do it by campus, some by district total. Our dashboard is sitting at 16 positive covid cases since August 12th.
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amercer said:

No one trusts anyone in this country.

Still, I'm in a state Biden will win by 40 points whether schools are open or not. The key is shaming the school board and the teachers union into opening back up. That's going to require more stories about places doing it without catastrophic results.


I think the problem might be that equal weight is given to media outlets who's main motivation is chasing clicks through covid hysteria vs actual data from the sources, in this case the schools. Which is why we now have to turn to random twitter sources for that data.
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We're 4 weeks in and my district has zero student cases (about 800 students) and one teacher positive.
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I've had two kids going in person since Tuesday, the third has to wait until October 5th but happy to get these two going. Just got an email from a HS teacher of my kid stating she has chosen to resign due to safety. Whatever someone wants to do is their choice, just would have been easier if they had made that decision a few weeks ago rather than teach a month and then quit. I'm not aware of any cases but doesnt seem our district is publicizing that data.
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Boerne had a few resign after opening. The teachers are having to work their butts off...its pretty hard on them teaching synchronous from what i have heard. But, the vast majority are sticking it out and making it work.
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HowdyTexasAggies said:

Boerne had a few resign after opening. The teachers are having to work their butts off...its pretty hard on them teaching synchronous from what i have heard. But, the vast majority are sticking it out and making it work.


The teachers are amazing. The school district has done an overall great job. It's a less than ideal situation but that's not the fault of the district or teachers. This particular teacher said after long talks with their husband they decided to resign for safety reasons, but I do wonder if the challenge of the job contributed.
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We are 3 weeks into school and haven't had any cases come up. I feel terrible for the teachers and all the extra stuff they are having to deal with.
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No cases at all in our junior high in 5 weeks since start of school. My wife is relaxing the mask rules on her own. She only requires them if the kids are doing group work. She doesn't teach with a mask any more, too hard for the kids to hear. Most of the other teachers are similar from what I understand.

I think the schools will be like the community soon. Rules are posted to comply with the state politicians but common sense wins out and they are 95% ignored.
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Wylie after a month of being open, they are doing a good job reporting and tracing. The positive cases are from in-person and remote since they have students that come to school for certain classes and activities. Seem to be in the range of 3-5 active cases out of 17,400 students and 2,800 employees. The majority of cases have come from one high school

Wylie ISD Covid

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Here's a story about houses not burning down in Germany:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/covid-schools-germany/2020/09/10/309648a4-eedf-11ea-bd08-1b10132b458f_story.html?hpid=hp_world1-8-12_germanschools-655am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

Of course all the comments are about how Germany is competent and the US is not, and that's why it's ok there.
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Reopening Update (What I've learned in four days of F2F instruction in 2020)

1. Mask fatigue is a real thing.
2. Live streaming is a challenge: a) I feel like I am neglecting my remote students. b) I feel like my remote students are FOMOing.
3. Students are not laughing at my "funny" jokes.
4. Not being able to see or give facial nonverbals is awful.
5. My students are eerily quiet. Silence may have been golden in the past, but not how I teach. There is no buzz about the classroom or even the school. Very little energy to no energy. I hate it.

6. The teachers, staff, students, and parents, as I predicted, have risen to the occasion and are kicking this thing in the rear end.

People. Reopening can be done with proper planning, resources, patience, and grace.
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rojo_ag said:

Reopening Update (What I've learned in four days of F2F instruction in 2020)

1. Mask fatigue is a real thing.
2. Live streaming is a challenge: a) I feel like I am neglecting my remote students. b) I feel like my remote students are FOMOing.
3. Students are not laughing at my "funny" jokes.
4. Not being able to see or give facial nonverbals is awful.
5. My students are eerily quiet. Silence may have been golden in the past, but not how I teach. There is no buzz about the classroom or even the school. Very little energy to no energy. I hate it.

6. The teachers, staff, students, and parents, as I predicted, have risen to the occasion and are kicking this thing in the rear end.

People. Reopening can be done with proper planning, resources, patience, and grace.
My students were like that the first week as well. That pretty much stopped the second week.
 
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