Reopening Schools

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TXTransplant said:

We are in Tomball ISD, and I just got an email saying they will NOT be making any changes to the 2020/21 school calendar.

They do "expect the instructional setting within our schools to look different" - whatever that means.

I already completed a survey asking my opinion of a week on/week off schedule where the kids alternate going to school and doing online learning. I rated it as "We will do it if there is no other option". It wouldn't be ideal, but my son will be in 10th grade, so we could make it work. It would be terrible for families with younger kids and two working parents, though.

That's great news, I'm in Cy Fair hoping we do the same.
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Just saw an article saying TEA is expected to issue rules on reopening next week.

That same article said TEA would be supplying PPE to districts by around the first of August. :"Distributed will be disposable and reusable masks, gloves, thermometers, hand sanitizers, face shields, and desk dividers."

School sounds like it is on but will look really different. And Texas teachers will adjust and learn and do the very best we can for our kids.
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3rd Generation Ag said:

Just saw an article saying TEA is expected to issue rules on reopening next week.

That same article said TEA would be supplying PPE to districts by around the first of August. :"Distributed will be disposable and reusable masks, gloves, thermometers, hand sanitizers, face shields, and desk dividers."

School sounds like it is on but will look really different. And Texas teachers will adjust and learn and do the very best we can for our kids.

Do you have a link for the article? Wanted to pass it along to my wife.
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jenn96 said:

TXTransplant said:

We are in Tomball ISD, and I just got an email saying they will NOT be making any changes to the 2020/21 school calendar.

They do "expect the instructional setting within our schools to look different" - whatever that means.

I already completed a survey asking my opinion of a week on/week off schedule where the kids alternate going to school and doing online learning. I rated it as "We will do it if there is no other option". It wouldn't be ideal, but my son will be in 10th grade, so we could make it work. It would be terrible for families with younger kids and two working parents, though.

That's great news, I'm in Cy Fair hoping we do the same.
Cy Fair is extending instruction 15 minutes for elementary and 10 for MS/HS.

They are not changing the calendar. They did add like 7 or 8 days in June in the case of a shut down. If no shutdown school ends as per the normal calendar.

As for stuff like masks, all I can do is roll my eye at that. Kids just won't wear them correctly if at all so good luck with that.
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Thanks Tyler. Any word on classroom or alternate day decisions?
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jenn96 said:

Thanks Tyler. Any word on classroom or alternate day decisions?
I don't think there will be any of that. The had the board meeting last night and didn't talk about it. I guess if something comes from Abbott it could change but from what my wife saw (she teaches in CFISD) they just extended the days.

I guess there could be masks and some sort of partitions but as of now i expect it is be pretty normal. I frankly can't even imagine the logistics of keeping the kids in the same room all day. Would that just lead to no more things like choir, athletics, band, orchestra, keyboarding, home ec, etc and all other electives? The combinations are basically endless when you account for so many intricacies in kids schedules. Then add in K level classes.

For example my kid is going to 8th grade. He classes are as follows:

On level math (although he may qualify for k level)
On level language arts
K Level Science
K Level Social Studies
Athletics (Football)
Spanish II
Home Ec/Keyboarding

So it isn't like he is in all K level core classes and then you have so many different elective choices. I was frankly shocked when we went to pick how may options they had in MS. HS would be even greater.

ETA to add on yo my other post I misunderstood a little about the schedule. Basically they're going to add 15 minutes to each day which over the course of the school year will give an additional 8 days. They will use those eight days as make up days if they have to shut down the school for any length of time. So if we have to shut the schools for less than 8 days we will not have to make up the time at the end of the school year. But if they have to shut down the school for an extended time then the month of June is built-in for them to continue learning to make up the time lost. We keep the same calendar year, add 15 minutes a day which equals 8 days for the year.
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Here is the link. I am not an AFT member. I use a different teacher organiztion, but to stay informed I belong to a facebook group that is Texans for public education and this article was linked there.

https://www.texasaft.org/government/tea/tea-announces-ppe-distribution-to-districts-as-it-readies-to-release-guidance-on-school-reopenings/?fbclid=IwAR3AUHwXN7Ok1BETXwLv8hbGl-CELS4jMRKJxZp0_MavKeyhTJ1gHChSM0o
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I'm in that group,too! Great information there!
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Tuesday is a big day. Stay tuned. Commissioner Morath should be providing more clarity for districts.
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If they are still trying to figure it out now, I guarantee you it will be a very disruptive fall semester. If there is a high school sports season, I will be surprised.
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revvie said:

If they are still trying to figure it out now, I guarantee you it will be a very disruptive fall semester. If there is a high school sports season, I will be surprised.
That would be heartbreaking to the kids who have worked since preschool in some cases for volleyball and football and cheer. For band seniors in their final rodeo.
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UIL has been very aggressive about getting sports back and going. This last week HS teams were allowed to come together for strength and conditioning. UIL is pushing hard to get sports going come fall. May mean no fans but small price to pay for the teams to be able to play.
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EdmondsWay said:

Tuesday is a big day. Stay tuned. Commissioner Morath should be providing more clarity for districts.


I was told the same thing.
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Getting word from people that know people that know stuff that the priority is on the lower grade levels and the upper grade levels will be quite different.
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1. Virtual learning was a disaster. I've talked to several high school teachers that were getting sub 20% participation in their reg ed classes (at a title one school). Frozen (only could increase) grades didn't help- but on the flip side if grades counted, the failure rate would have been through the roof.
2. Kids won't socially distance at school- no matter how they separate them.
3. If they tried split scheduling- that would be a total disaster because parents can't plan a work schedule around it (and teachers with kids especially)
4. Kids won't wear masks appropriately or clean them appropriately (should be cleaned nightly at a minimum)
5. Teachers will greatly lose effectiveness if they are talking to their class through a mask. I couldn't even understand the pharmacist the other day when he was speaking through a mask. He was merely 6 feet in front of me and I was actively trying to hear him.
6. If you take away extra-curriculars for kids- many will check out from interest in school.

All that sums to: Kids are barely effected medically by covid19. They are more likely to be struck by lightening than to die from it. They need normal school. Teachers that want to take extra precautions (or take leave) should be able to. At risk populations should keep their distance from kids until we have better treatment protocols. And we should move on with life. In the long-term, education in a building is just as essential as having the Walmart building open.
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I had way higher partcipation levels than you mentioned for a diverse high school. Almost title I. I was running over 90 percent doing the work, and honestly the ones not doing online were the slackers in face to face with only two exceptions. Then I found out one of those was in the hospital with Covid. But that was with online at the end of the year when I had all year to build solid relationships with the kids. I can't imagine having to start the year online and having the same level of participation.
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My kids reflection at the end, they really only liked that our system gave them weekly lessons and they could elect when to do them in that interval. I had coteach ELA, and I am the gen ed teacher. Only one of the SPED kids did not do the work. I was really proud of them. One other that did not engage and was hard to track down had moved 300 miles away. Mom simply was not in a hurry to enroll him in the new district. My ELL kids had the most difficulty. Some that seem to be more advanced I realized were picking up on non verbal clues to help them, so when they had to realy on just words, they needed extra support. I admit I spent tons of time connecting with parents to get this to happen, but the parents were really wonderful.
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Aston04 said:

1. Virtual learning was a disaster. I've talked to several high school teachers that were getting sub 20% participation in their reg ed classes (at a title one school). Frozen (only could increase) grades didn't help- but on the flip side if grades counted, the failure rate would have been through the roof.
2. Kids won't socially distance at school- no matter how they separate them.
3. If they tried split scheduling- that would be a total disaster because parents can't plan a work schedule around it (and teachers with kids especially)
4. Kids won't wear masks appropriately or clean them appropriately (should be cleaned nightly at a minimum)
5. Teachers will greatly lose effectiveness if they are talking to their class through a mask. I couldn't even understand the pharmacist the other day when he was speaking through a mask. He was merely 6 feet in front of me and I was actively trying to hear him.
6. If you take away extra-curriculars for kids- many will check out from interest in school.

All that sums to: Kids are barely effected medically by covid19. They are more likely to be struck by lightening than to die from it. They need normal school. Teachers that want to take extra precautions (or take leave) should be able to. At risk populations should keep their distance from kids until we have better treatment protocols. And we should move on with life. In the long-term, education in a building is just as essential as having the Walmart building open.


You're spot on with all of this. I teach an AP course (our district did not give any actual grades for the 4th nine weeks...just a "met" or "did not meet" expectations) and the vast majority of my online stuff was exam review. I felt very fortunate that I was basically done with my course before spring break. The ones who were diligent about doing their work were the ones taking the exam...the rest of them pretty much submitted garbage. About 80-85% of my students are seniors, and their class rank was set after the 3rd nine weeks, so they were very much in "coast" mode...can't blame them, honestly. Once mine took their AP exam on May 22, the school year was effectively over.

Starting a year like we finished the last one would be a recipe for disaster, imo. Just as an example, freshman teachers "teaching" kids online who have not even spent one day on their new campus and have no relationship whatsoever with their teacher is very likely not going to be effective.

#5 on your list is not to be sold short...I won't instruct with a mask on. I'll sound like a baritone version of Charlie Brown's teacher, and I'd end up spending a lot of time repeating myself. No thank you.

Furthermore, all of the cooperative learning strategies that are the latest emphasis fly right out the window if there are social distancing mandates. No pods, no in-class group work or activities which basically require physical proximity, none of that is possible. Using manipulatives, calculators, etc. that get used in multiple class periods...having to sterilize those between uses, if mandated, takes up time. I could go on, but won't.

Regular school, like you said, is what needs to happen, but I don't expect very many districts to have the courage to make that particular decision. I'm bracing for a very disruptive year and hoping I'm wrong about that.
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Bonfired said:



Starting a year like we finished the last one would be a recipe for disaster, imo. Just as an example, freshman teachers "teaching" kids online who have not even spent one day on their new campus and have no relationship whatsoever with their teacher is very likely not going to be effective.


This exactly. The only reason this was even somewhat okay was it was basically the end of the year. By spring break the kids have pretty much gotten through the curriculum. It would be a disaster to start at home. Especially for grades like kinder, 6th, and HS freshman.
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And my oldest grand who missed the last quarter of kinder and is now going into first. As I said I had good results compared to others with getting my students to do online work, but we had strong relationships going into onliine. And in some cases good parent relationships also. It will be very difficult to have that at any grade or subject starting online.

However the blended model of every other day or half days is a nightmare for working parents with children too young to stay at home alone. I know opinions vary on that but I seriously think it is terrible if they are under 12. And if they are expected to supervise OTHER siblings who are even younger.

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Do opinions vary on that? I'd imagine every single working parent home with young school kids is freaking out at the idea of a part-time school schedule
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I don't know what will happen to my junior in HS without band or AAVTC classes. He is an AP kid who is motivated mostly by the 'extras' in school - band and AAVTC. He was in 3 AAVTC classes and those really were not effective online. Animation and Graphic Design need the tools available only at the school. And band...he needs the interaction of his classmates.

He has not been face to face with his friends since March, with the exception of 2 weekends working on his Eagle Project. He is not a happy kid right now. Thank goodness for online D&D. Without that he would be a total shell of himself.

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What does AAVTC stand for?
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My 5th and 3rd graders didn't learn jack squat while going to school from home. I didn't supervise much because I was working the whole time but they might have done 30 minutes a day.
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BowSowy said:

Do opinions vary on that? I'd imagine every single working parent home with young school kids is freaking out at the idea of a part-time school schedule


100% freak out here. If we don't get our 4th grader back in a classroom in the fall it may be the death us all.
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I really wonder about private schools. If they don't go back to some version of normal in the fall then I don't imagine most parents will continue to pay for it. I know we have had that conversation at my house.
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We've started looking at private schools under the assumption they they are way more likely to be back in the building.
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Yeah, I think they would have to be if they want to stay in business.
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amercer said:

We've started looking at private schools under the assumption they they are way more likely to be back in the building.


My friend works at a private school and the participation with the students seems to be much higher than with my kids' public school
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Some of the "wealthier" private schools in Dallas (greenhill, st marks, etc) seem to be VERY cautious from what I am hearing but would agree more of the "standard" private schools will need the cash to operate or will have to shut down...assuming they dont operate with a ton of cash reserves...

People I know at Greenhill specifically are struggling b/c the school has a waitlist. So if the school remains remote learning they have to suck it up and pay the $20K or drop out and risk not getting back in...
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Good friend of mine is principal at a school that runs about 50k a year. He's already had plenty of parents tell him they won't be paying that for online learning (although I will say their online program beat the crap out of the public schools here)
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My kids went to private school for elementary school. Every year in either late January or early February we had to sign the enrollment contract for the following school year. Only way to break the contract was due to moving a set distance from the school or due to job loss. Otherwise, you had to pay whether you attended or not. Or you'd risk being taken to court.

So, I assume a lot of private school parents had already signed the 2020-2021 enrollment contract before the Covid-19 situation came into play. There may not be much they can do if they already signed the contract for next school year. The expensive private schools in Dallas- Greenhill, Hockaday, ESD, St. Marks, Ursuline, etc. always have a long wait list. Most parents I know aren't going to risk their kids not being able to get back back in to their school if they decide to sit this year out. Plus, it would hurt their chances of getting into any of the other top Dallas private schools. Word gets around. So, the private school parents I know will just go with the flow and hope for the best next school year.
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exactly what i am hearing. stinks for many. obviously there are some kids at those schools that the tuition money can be found in their sofa but for most whether your dad / mom is a CFO, law Partner, both working etc its a substantial chunk of change when you consider likley more than 1 kid at any of those institutions + donations on top of tution, etc.
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Rachel 98 said:

What does AAVTC stand for?
sorry

Arts Audio Visual Technology and Communications. Includes Video Production, Animation and Graphic Design. Upper level classes compete in UIL competitions.
 
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