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gvine07
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In reply to Keegan99 • 9:18p, 8/13/20
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Keegan99 said:
Daycares have been open for months. That's a problem private enterprise has solved.


Our kids goto a daycare/school and it got shutdown for 2 weeks earlier in the year. Right now many daycares aren't taking new kids, and they definitely aren't on a days notice after they were somewhere where somebody tested positive.

I'm a private enterprise guy, but that problem hasn't been solved. It can easily be solved in the long term, but here in the short term it's not. And for anybody who wants to argue that please find childcare for my coworkers who have kids that went to the Academy. Preferably one in Carrollton.
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In reply to gvine07 • 9:20p, 8/13/20
gvine07 said:
Keegan99 said:
Daycares have been open for months. That's a problem private enterprise has solved.


Our kids goto a daycare/school and it got shutdown for 2 weeks earlier in the year. Right now many daycares aren't taking new kids, and they definitely aren't on a days notice after they were somewhere where somebody tested positive.

I'm a private enterprise guy, but that problem hasn't been solved. It can easily be solved in the long term, but here in the short term it's not. And for anybody who wants to argue that please find childcare for my coworkers who have kids that went to the Academy. Preferably one in Carrollton.
The solution is to not shut down the Academy. Problem solved.
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In reply to The_Fox • 10:01p, 8/13/20
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Who's going to teach there? 3 of the teachers tested positive, others were directly exposed.
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In reply to gvine07 • 10:04p, 8/13/20
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Who's going to teach there? 3 of the teachers tested positive, others were directly exposed.


They'll just figure it out.

[sarcasm]
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10:07p, 8/13/20
The current issue I'm finding is that the National, state and local government keep telling schools to just figure it out. Not enough SpEd teachers, figure it out. Not enough room, figure it out. It reminds me of a story when the Soviets use to build housing back in the day.

Leadership:"Comrade, here is enough building material for a 10 story building."
Foreman:"Excellent, we'll build the best 10 story building you've ever seen."
Leadership:"Comrade, you misunderstand. We need a 13 story building. Make it happen."
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In reply to cc_ag92 • 10:21p, 8/13/20
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good news

good luck
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In reply to gvine07 • 10:27p, 8/13/20
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can it easily be solved in the long term?

with a vaccine?
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In reply to gvine07 • 10:34p, 8/13/20
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Who's going to teach there? 3 of the teachers tested positive, others were directly exposed.
Anyone not suffering sypmtoms. A large portion of people infected will be asymptomatic and the rest will be better in short order. Focus on the mission!
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In reply to cc_ag92 • 7:03a, 8/14/20
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I was in an elementary school today. Almost every student was wearing a mask. It was kind of amazing because I keep hearing from TexAgs that it's impossible for them.

Oh, I taught 1st grade (you know, the grade where most students are 6) for 13 years. So, yes, I've been around a few six-year-olds.
Yes it's possible. Nurse Ratched showed us how its done. But they're not necessary for those younger than 10 and in my opinion inappropriate for the learning environment. What are your plans on teaching phonics or emotional learning when children cant see faces or clearly hear spoken words?

Masks dull our empathy for others and it will be most acute in children when they have yet to learn and appreciate other social and facial cues
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In reply to cone • 7:04a, 8/14/20
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I was referring to the economic theory that says competitive markets are efficient in the long term but still have short term market failures.

And yes, I think it's obvious that this won't still be an issue with a vaccine.
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In reply to gvine07 • 7:09a, 8/14/20
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how effective would the experimental vaccine need to be? as effective as a flu shot? less?
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7:09a, 8/14/20
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My elementary kids have been back in person in Prosper since Wednesday. They love being back in school and around other kids their age. I pray this continues because the change in their demeanor in a short two days has been great.

I even get to argue with my 10 yr old about getting up and out of bed on time!!
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In reply to Smokedraw01 • 7:30a, 8/14/20
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Smokedraw01 said:
The current issue I'm finding is that the National, state and local government keep telling schools to just figure it out. Not enough SpEd teachers, figure it out. Not enough room, figure it out. It reminds me of a story when the Soviets used to build housing back in the day.

Leadership:"Comrade, here is enough building material for a 10 story building."
Foreman:"Excellent, we'll build the best 10 story building you've ever seen."
Leadership:"Comrade, you misunderstand. We need a 13 story building. Make it happen."
For what it worth, many of us are trying to make the teacher's job easier by edging closer back to normal. It's the teacher's fellow coworkers and bosses making it harder on you. As Rage said back in '92 ("in a room without a view"), Know Your Enemy.

edited to make less direct
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In reply to tysker • 7:48a, 8/14/20
tysker said:
Smokedraw01 said:
The current issue I'm finding is that the National, state and local government keep telling schools to just figure it out. Not enough SpEd teachers, figure it out. Not enough room, figure it out. It reminds me of a story when the Soviets used to build housing back in the day.

Leadership:"Comrade, here is enough building material for a 10 story building."
Foreman:"Excellent, we'll build the best 10 story building you've ever seen."
Leadership:"Comrade, you misunderstand. We need a 13 story building. Make it happen."
For what it worth, many of us are trying to make the teacher's job easier by edging closer back to normal. It's the teacher's fellow coworkers and bosses making it harder on you. As Rage said back in '92 ("in a room without a view"), Know Your Enemy.

edited to make less direct
How are my fellow coworkers and building principals making it harder on me?
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In reply to Smokedraw01 • 7:57a, 8/14/20
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Smokedraw01 said:
tysker said:
Smokedraw01 said:
The current issue I'm finding is that the National, state and local government keep telling schools to just figure it out. Not enough SpEd teachers, figure it out. Not enough room, figure it out. It reminds me of a story when the Soviets used to build housing back in the day.

Leadership:"Comrade, here is enough building material for a 10 story building."
Foreman:"Excellent, we'll build the best 10 story building you've ever seen."
Leadership:"Comrade, you misunderstand. We need a 13 story building. Make it happen."
For what it worth, many of us are trying to make the teacher's job easier by edging closer back to normal. It's the teacher's fellow coworkers and bosses making it harder on you. As Rage said back in '92 ("in a room without a view"), Know Your Enemy.

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How are my fellow coworkers and building principals making it harder on me?
By insisting on unworkable policies and practices that make it harder to best educate children. If I'm mistaken I apologize and I'll retract. But may I ask if these measures and practices are so pertinent and material for learning and educating. why weren't they put in place before?
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8:24a, 8/14/20
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Question: as soon as a vaccine is approved, public school teachers will be required to receive it in the first pass of distribution, right?

That would effectively solve the impasse.
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In reply to cone • 8:30a, 8/14/20
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cone said:
Question: as soon as a vaccine is approved, public school teachers will be required to receive it in the first pass of distribution, right?

That would effectively solve the impasse.


I doubt teachers will be required.
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In reply to tysker • 8:45a, 8/14/20
tysker said:
Smokedraw01 said:
tysker said:
Smokedraw01 said:
The current issue I'm finding is that the National, state and local government keep telling schools to just figure it out. Not enough SpEd teachers, figure it out. Not enough room, figure it out. It reminds me of a story when the Soviets used to build housing back in the day.

Leadership:"Comrade, here is enough building material for a 10 story building."
Foreman:"Excellent, we'll build the best 10 story building you've ever seen."
Leadership:"Comrade, you misunderstand. We need a 13 story building. Make it happen."
For what it worth, many of us are trying to make the teacher's job easier by edging closer back to normal. It's the teacher's fellow coworkers and bosses making it harder on you. As Rage said back in '92 ("in a room without a view"), Know Your Enemy.

edited to make less direct
How are my fellow coworkers and building principals making it harder on me?
By insisting on unworkable policies and practices that make it harder to best educate children. If I'm mistaken I apologize and I'll retract. But may I ask if these measures and practices are so pertinent and material for learning and educating. why weren't they put in place before?


Forgive me but what policies and practices are you talking about? The teachers I work with or know are just plugging along trying to make the best of the situation.
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In reply to Bruce Almighty • 8:45a, 8/14/20
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they absolutely should be

they're arguably the most important essential worker unable to fully perform their duties (due to the nature of the virus)

it would be health care workers #1, teachers #2

without teachers and school staff in the buildings, the economy remains crippled
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In reply to cone • 8:47a, 8/14/20
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Requiring teachers to take the vaccine in the first pass would lead to a mass shortage of teachers. People aren't going to be lining up to take this vaccine right away.
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In reply to Jbob04 • 8:50a, 8/14/20
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so even a vaccine will not be enough to get teachers back for in-person?

is that what i'm gathering?

is the "until there's a vaccine" line just a dodge?
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8:52a, 8/14/20
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No one should be forced to take the vaccine. Plenty of people will be lining up to take this thing. It won't even be possible to reach half the population in the first month. It's going to be a logistical nightmare out of craze and hysteria if/when one is announced available to the public. Personally, I'll let the high risk and medical workers get it. By that time, it may not even be necessary for most of us.

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In reply to cone • 8:54a, 8/14/20
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Sure some will take it and it will get them back in the classroom but overall I don't see a big push for teachers to take the vaccine. Unfortunately there are a lot of lazy teachers out there and are using this virus as an excuse to get to stay home and get paid. My wife is a teacher and she said none of her coworkers would take the vaccine in the first round nor would she. My wife has been back teaching since Monday to in person classes and she is so happy to be back.
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In reply to Smokedraw01 • 8:54a, 8/14/20
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Smokedraw01 said:
tysker said:
Smokedraw01 said:
tysker said:
Smokedraw01 said:
The current issue I'm finding is that the National, state and local government keep telling schools to just figure it out. Not enough SpEd teachers, figure it out. Not enough room, figure it out. It reminds me of a story when the Soviets used to build housing back in the day.

Leadership:"Comrade, here is enough building material for a 10 story building."
Foreman:"Excellent, we'll build the best 10 story building you've ever seen."
Leadership:"Comrade, you misunderstand. We need a 13 story building. Make it happen."
For what it worth, many of us are trying to make the teacher's job easier by edging closer back to normal. It's the teacher's fellow coworkers and bosses making it harder on you. As Rage said back in '92 ("in a room without a view"), Know Your Enemy.

edited to make less direct
How are my fellow coworkers and building principals making it harder on me?
By insisting on unworkable policies and practices that make it harder to best educate children. If I'm mistaken I apologize and I'll retract. But may I ask if these measures and practices are so pertinent and material for learning and educating. why weren't they put in place before?
Forgive me but what policies and practices are you talking about? The teachers I work with or know are just plugging along trying to make the best of the situation.
How about insisting on online learning which is not as good as classroom learning? Masking wearing in classrooms? Or social distancing measures when children don't spread to adults? If teachers are "just plugging along" and don't actually want these policies and practices then I am wrong and I will admit as much.
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8:57a, 8/14/20
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Why should a young healthy person rush to get a vaccine?

This isn't the measles or polio. The risks from an actual infection are very well understood, and they are so small as to have no measurable impact on an actuarial table.
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In reply to beerad12man • 8:58a, 8/14/20
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so how do you break the impasse with a vaccine available?

you have to go back to work - either you take the vaccine or you don't, but you have to go back?

or is the vaccine not a key to unlock in-school learning at all?
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In reply to Keegan99 • 9:01a, 8/14/20
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they shouldn't

but there's a political impasse presently that where the vulnerable side has at least made indications that a vaccine would resolve the issue

so as soon as the vaccine is available, the political and economic impasse should be cleared fully
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9:01a, 8/14/20
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Yeah, I think I'll take my chances without the vaccine. Never got the flu shot either.
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In reply to cone • 9:11a, 8/14/20
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cone said:
so even a vaccine will not be enough to get teachers back for in-person?

is that what i'm gathering?

is the "until there's a vaccine" line just a dodge?


My hope is that once we get a vaccine, responsibility falls on the individual, not the policy makers. We need to have the attitude of "get it or don't, but if you don't and you die, that's your decision."
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In reply to beerad12man • 9:19a, 8/14/20
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It's going to be a logistical nightmare out of craze and hysteria if/when one is announced available to the public.
with half the people mobbing vaccine locations and the other half running in the other direction.
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In reply to cone • 9:23a, 8/14/20
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cone said:
how effective would the experimental vaccine need to be? as effective as a flu shot? less?


Man, you're impossible! Let's be clear, I was saying the childcare issue is a huge concern for school districts. I said that problem needed to be solved by private enterprise, or a vaccine would likely solve that. Now I get the feeling you're "moving the goal posts for control."

But why not, I'll play. I think it's pretty clear that this coronavirus is much worse than the flu. Let's say the biggest problem we'll have is maxing out our hospitals. As soon as we get a vaccine/treatment that can prevent that you'll see our schools open.
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In reply to Bruce Almighty • 9:30a, 8/14/20
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lol might want to start that pressure campaign now
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In reply to gvine07 • 9:32a, 8/14/20
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so it's the hospital capacity not the teachers safety?

sorry not trying to be impossible just asking probing questions. sorry not trying to be overly difficult.
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In reply to gvine07 • 9:32a, 8/14/20
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He's impossible? You're crying about potential issues that have long been worked out by day cares who never closed. If they can make it work, why can't the supposed institutions who's only job is to educate our children? Our school did 9 weeks of a max capacity summer camp in Houston and not 1 case of a student with Covid.

We'll go around and around as we've seen. At the end of the day either school administrators are either competent enough to get their job done like all the day cares they like to look down their nose at have done or they aren't. That's it. The rest is excuses.
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In reply to gvine07 • 9:34a, 8/14/20
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cone said:
how effective would the experimental vaccine need to be? as effective as a flu shot? less?


Man, you're impossible! Let's be clear, I was saying the childcare issue is a huge concern for school districts. I said that problem needed to be solved by private enterprise, or a vaccine would likely solve that. Now I get the feeling you're "moving the goal posts for control."

But why not, I'll play. I think it's pretty clear that this coronavirus is much worse than the flu. Let's say the biggest problem we'll have is maxing out our hospitals. As soon as we get a vaccine/treatment that can prevent that you'll see our schools open.


But the point he's making is what level of effectiveness does a vaccine need to have for those who are saying "once a vaccine is ready we'll go back to normal?" Some flu vaccines only have 30% effectiveness in a given year.

If a vaccine is ready by year end, but it's only 30% effective, is everything going back to normal?
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