Reopening Schools
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AustinAg2K said:
I know multiple parents, though, who have had kids test positive and did not tell the district because they don't want to quarantine their kids, so it's likely much higher.
I might be in the minority, and I'm anti-mask, anti-lockdown, and anti-coronabro, but not telling the school and still sending them is a selfish move. Seems like it would be better to just say they came in contact w somebody and we're keeping them home to be safe. Still not being the upmost honest but I guess it would save you from the stigma of it.
I don't like any of this but I wouldn't lie about my kids having the flu and send them.
c-jags said:AustinAg2K said:
I know multiple parents, though, who have had kids test positive and did not tell the district because they don't want to quarantine their kids, so it's likely much higher.
I might be in the minority, and I'm anti-mask, anti-lockdown, and anti-coronabro, but not telling the school and still sending them is a selfish move. Seems like it would be better to just say they came in contact w somebody and we're keeping them home to be safe. Still not being the upmost honest but I guess it would save you from the stigma of it.
I don't like any of this but I wouldn't lie about my kids having the flu and send them.
Yeah, I think it's pretty ****** of them. Even though kids are extremely unlikely to show more than mild symptoms, there are plenty of teachers who are in a high risk category. They are putting them at risk. It's true the teachers chose to go in, but also I don't think they expected parents to lie about their kids being positive, and not everyone is in a position where they can just quit their jobs.
What's the point of testing your kids if your going to lie anyway?
Bruce Almighty said:
What's the point of testing your kids if your going to lie anyway?
No ***** Sending a known positive kid to school is reprehensible
I'm curious about the schools ending remote learning. Are they not quarantining kids who test positive and those in close contact? I can't imagine them telling kids to not come to school for two weeks and then having some sort of remote learning for them.
HISD told us yesterday you're getting quarantined if your kids has symptoms
and a negative test doesn't alleviate quarantine
nor is a positive test required to trigger quarantine, just symptoms
if you're wondering why parents would send their kids to school with a runny nose
it's a joke
and a negative test doesn't alleviate quarantine
nor is a positive test required to trigger quarantine, just symptoms
if you're wondering why parents would send their kids to school with a runny nose
it's a joke
Thank you for the update. I really hate that this is happening.
I also hate that the people who responded after your post absolutely disregarded your reality as they went off on a rant. I've wondered recently why we're so rarely hearing from people who are impacted by this virus, but now I can see why.
I hope your coworkers recover quickly, with minimal health or financial issues.
I also hate that the people who responded after your post absolutely disregarded your reality as they went off on a rant. I've wondered recently why we're so rarely hearing from people who are impacted by this virus, but now I can see why.
I hope your coworkers recover quickly, with minimal health or financial issues.
This is pretty much the standard policy I have run into. The argument given by administrators is that too much possibility exists that the person could present as positive later. That they are a carrier and it wouldn't show up in a test. They are totally misunderstanding the idea behind asymptomatic carriers. If you are a carrier, you WILL have a positive test, yet they won't even recognize the fact that a teacher or student tested negative multiple times. And that isn't even accounting for a false positive situation like our soccer team had. They aren't following the science and it's very frustrating when you consider that fact that this is very well documented at this point and just looking up the current views of the medical experts on the front lines of this would give them all the evidence and backing they need to not subject everyone to a needless quarantine every time someone gets an innocent sniffle. The students and teachers are supposed to report even diarrhea and headaches and stay away. Um, that's just called "Tuesday" to me. To most of us. Headaches can happen for so many reasons. Loose stools are the same. If this were March, I could understand. Heck, a dry or even sore throat, to me, isn't worthy of panic or testing. Allergies are going nuts right now. I know when I am "sick" an d when I just have a dry throat and drainage from a normal allergy. And honestly and legally, its no one else's business anyway and for good reason. It starts a massive educational version of grid lock all because we want to be "cautious" that has much worse side effects on the children's education vs anything Covid would do to us.cone said:
HISD told us yesterday you're getting quarantined if your kids has symptoms
and a negative test doesn't alleviate quarantine
nor is a positive test required to trigger quarantine, just symptoms
if you're wondering why parents would send their kids to school with a runny nose
it's a joke
I equate it to this: As a personal trainer and weight lifter, it would be like me not doing squats or dead lifts on my normal training day b/c I feel slight pain in my back. But anyone in this field who actually knows anything would agree that pain is not a reason not to train a movement alone. If the pain limits movement, if it is debilitating, if it is a sign of some sort of mechanics and form issue. These are the first things we look at as a coach. Many times, it's just pain. Most times actually. And it goes away when a trainee does the actual lift correctly. We use the stimulus of pain as feedback but not an excuse not to train. Covid symptoms should be handled in a much more intelligent way such as I just described. Make note of a symptom. But don't think its an excuse, or worse yet, believe you have an obligation to report every headache and loose stool to admin when its most likely not at all related to Covid. Just like in weight lifting, know your body. Use that as the gage to trust, not some random policy.
Why when almost none of the kids are getting that sick? Maybe we should cancel schools and sports during a bad flu season or stomach bugJokkerZ said:
Sometimes I truly think, that during all these COVID outbreaks, it would be better for kids to start distance learning, where and when it is possible.
P.U.T.U said:Why when almost none of the kids are getting that sick? Maybe we should cancel schools and sports during a bad flu season or stomach bugJokkerZ said:
Sometimes I truly think, that during all these COVID outbreaks, it would be better for kids to start distance learning, where and when it is possible.
AND, distance learning doesn't work.
We had a scare with my daughter this week. She had a decent fever and a horrid cough for a few days. Her and the family tested negative. Her school was happy to have her back afterwards. Missed two days. I would have been annoyed as hell if I had to keep her out for two weeks.
Negative test won't end the HISD required 14 day quarantine
That's a district issue. Not all schools are handling it that way.
not even CDC guidelines
P.U.T.U said:Why when almost none of the kids are getting that sick? Maybe we should cancel schools and sports during a bad flu season or stomach bugJokkerZ said:
Sometimes I truly think, that during all these COVID outbreaks, it would be better for kids to start distance learning, where and when it is possible.
Just to be clear, it's not usual for a school to be shutdown because of a bad flu outbreak. It seems like every year up here in the DFW area, one or two schools close for a week for deep cleaning.
. . .and here we go. It's October and still posters make this argument.P.U.T.U said:Why when almost none of the kids are getting that sick? Maybe we should cancel schools and sports during a bad flu season or stomach bugJokkerZ said:
Sometimes I truly think, that during all these COVID outbreaks, it would be better for kids to start distance learning, where and when it is possible.
When has this disease ever been treated like a "bad flu"?
You are aware that "more people have died from Covid-19 than in the past 5 flu seasons combined."
10/06/20 CNN Article (Yes, I know that this is from CNN.)
From a Boston hospital
It's not only in America See below and save you a click. Some highlights.
Quote:
- Of all death occurrences between January and August 2020, there were 48,168 deaths due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with 13,619 deaths due to pneumonia and 394 deaths due to influenza.
Quote:
- Influenza and pneumonia was mentioned on more death certificates than COVID-19, however COVID-19 was the underlying cause of death in over three times as many deaths between January and August 2020.
I know, I know what your counter will be most likely be: Covid related deaths are inflated because attributed deaths to the disease is complicated, inconsistent, and/or nefarious.Quote:
- In comparison with the deaths due to influenza and pneumonia occurring in the year to 31 August 2020, deaths due to COVID-19 have been higher than every year monthly data are available (1959 to 2020).
I also am aware that based on evidence from around the world, schools do not seem to be places where spread occurs. In addition, young people do not seem to be spreaders like adults. Further, even if a student is sick they have a 0.003% chance of dying.
The facts above still do not influence policy because. . .well. . .it isn't the flu.
Do I want schools to close? Absolutely not. I'm in the classroom daily. I've even quarantined and was away from the classroom for three days because I had three symptoms. Continuing to perpetuate the false narrative that this is a bad flu is just not right.
I accidently posted my prior post before I could finish it. I was going to address you in it, but noticed you already responded.Keegan99 said:
True.
A comparison of COVID to a bad flu is wholly inappropriate with respect to school-age populations.
For children, a bad flu should be taken much more seriously.
Good evening, Keegan.
Yep. Bad flu kills more young people. You have been very forthcoming with this data to support this.
But. . .these children do not live on their own personal islands. They interact with others and with the nature of this virus being much more contagious than the flu, it is what it is as far as our responses.
I wish you could visit my classroom. I'm busting my ass to make sure my students in person and remote are receiving a fantastic education. I'm masked up for 8 hours with a few breaks. My students wipe down the desks as they leave my classroom. I don't want schools to close. I just want people to be honest, accurate, and transparent when posting about the disease.
Your entire post is a violin enducing emotional appeal. If you want people to be factual, than maybe that's how your argument should be presented.
Nothing you've presented changes the fact that this a non-issue for children. Especially at school. This is what we are discussing. Teachers love to play woe is me. The reality is you are either an essential workers or you aren't. Teachers are way down the list of professions at risk by Covid. Hell, the average office worker is more at risk because they aren't around children minimally impacted, but older adults all day. If you're theory was correct teachers and administrators would be getting sick more than the public. They aren't.
Nothing you've presented changes the fact that this a non-issue for children. Especially at school. This is what we are discussing. Teachers love to play woe is me. The reality is you are either an essential workers or you aren't. Teachers are way down the list of professions at risk by Covid. Hell, the average office worker is more at risk because they aren't around children minimally impacted, but older adults all day. If you're theory was correct teachers and administrators would be getting sick more than the public. They aren't.
AgLA06 said:
Your entire post is a violin enducing emotional appeal. If you want people to be factual, than maybe that's how your argument should be presented.
Nothing you've presented changes the fact that this a non-issue for children. Especially at school. This is what we are discussing. Teachers love to play woe is me. The reality is you are either an essential workers or you aren't. Teachers are way down the list of professions at risk by Covid. Hell, the average office worker is more at risk because they aren't around children minimally impacted, but older adults all day. If you're theory was correct teachers and administrators would be getting sick more than the public. They aren't.
Have you read my posts from the beginning of this thread? You will clearly see my stance on reopening schools since March. Go ahead and read my OP. 160,000+ views and my stance is the same. I'm doing the work, and generalizing the feelings of teachers shows your ignorance.
Are you kidding? Me suggesting that this virus is worse than the flu is an emotional appeal. This tread is littered with people who continue not to get it. It doesn't matter if you think we should fully open schools, we are not going to any time soon. Go talk to the people in charge!
" This tread is littered with people who continue not to get it. "
Agreed, they don't get the ridiculousness of what this country has done to children and the economy, simply out of overblown fear.
Agreed, they don't get the ridiculousness of what this country has done to children and the economy, simply out of overblown fear.
HowdyTexasAggies said:
" This tread is littered with people who continue not to get it. "
Agreed, they don't get the ridiculousness of what this country has done to children and the economy, simply out of overblown fear.
If you are lumping me into that camp, you are severely mistaken. You don't have to convince me about opening schools. I'm there daily. I am an essential worker and certainly should be in the classroom. I don't understand how people continue to think we are going to throw out all mitigation protocols. And when I l reiterate that this argument is pointless, I'm a virus sympathizer. Come visit my classroom and see what side I am on, but I refuse to be delusional about our steps to mitigate. Why do we mitigate. . .because this is not the flu. Do I think these precautions are necessary? Not to the levels we are taking them, but I will not undermine my administration. Should I go rouge?
Whats being done to kids out of fear is unforgivable. It's beyond irresponsible, period. 98%+ survivable. There is no justification other fear and politics. That is a fact.
HowdyTexasAggies said:
Whats being done to kids out of fear is unforgivable. It's beyond irresponsible, period. 98%+ survivable. There is no justification other fear and politics. That is a fact.
Okay. Now what?
Although I do believe kids are resilient. That's an opinion. Period.
rojo_ag said:HowdyTexasAggies said:
Whats being done to kids out of fear is unforgivable. It's beyond irresponsible, period. 98%+ survivable. There is no justification other fear and politics. That is a fact.
Okay. Now what?
Although I do believe kids are resilient. That's an opinion. Period.
So is his statement, no matter how many times he states it as a fact.
99% and 98% are facts.
True. But your "That is a fact" statement followed an opinion. Maybe you need to revise for clarity.
Nope, that is a fact. The two stats make my other statement fact as well.
cc_ag92 said:
I'm not sure you understand the definition of a fact. Honestly, I don't have the time nor the desire to educate you on something you clearly missed in elementary school.
Really? That seems to be par for your tone to others here. Have a nice day,
I just don't understand why a negative test is insufficient to be allowed back in school if your kids has a runny nose
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