Mattowander said:

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For those that think the school closures and online options in Texas are because of teacher preference.

We got the numbers for our school (middle school) last week. The parents were split almost exactly 50/50 on in school/online choice for beginning of year. They are asking teachers to volunteer to teach the online classes, but very few have. Many teachers will just be assigned to those positions...because they are needed...because the parents made that choice.

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Agreed. That is very close to the situation at my school as well. The district is asking teachers apply to be remote teachers but our principal has told us that we should all expect to be doing some virtual teaching at some point this year. At this point we are just going with the flow.

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I'm betting that will be the norm in suburbia schools.

Same story at my wife's school.

tylercsbn9 said:

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Mattowander said:

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Ag_N_Houston said:

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For those that think the school closures and online options in Texas are because of teacher preference.

We got the numbers for our school (middle school) last week. The parents were split almost exactly 50/50 on in school/online choice for beginning of year. They are asking teachers to volunteer to teach the online classes, but very few have. Many teachers will just be assigned to those positions...because they are needed...because the parents made that choice.

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Agreed. That is very close to the situation at my school as well. The district is asking teachers apply to be remote teachers but our principal has told us that we should all expect to be doing some virtual teaching at some point this year. At this point we are just going with the flow.

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I'm betting that will be the norm in suburbia schools.

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Our district has >80% of parent's responses wanting in person lessons with >50% teacher responses either wanting remote or having no preference.

We had 58% of parents wanting their kids to go back. This is in the burbs



What was more surprising was 61% of teachers wanted to teach in person and only 14% wanted remote.

P.U.T.U said:

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We had 58% of parents wanting their kids to go back. This is in the burbs



What was more surprising was 61% of teachers wanted to teach in person and only 14% wanted remote.

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Did those numbers and graphics come from your district? Our district hasn't told us anything about numbers. The numbers I have heard have just been communicated informally in Zoom meetings. I wish districts would be very transparent with this entire process.

Yes, our district has been very transparent with all of this

Obviously a very non-standard district, but in Highland Park ISD, the parents were told on a teleconference last week with the superintendent that 80% of the parents wanted in-person instruction, 19% wanted distance, and 1% were withdrawing from the district.

Well I want my kid in school, but not the way that Round Rock is proposing.

We are a 4a high school in DFW area and I have heard about 40% of parents want in person teaching. Again, just informally. That data hasn't been shared from the district.

I teach in the Springfield, MO area. 60% of parents want full instruction, 30% want hybrid, 10% want full online. With the staff survey, 90% wanted full instruction.

Ours are currently 90/10 for in person/ online.

Weird how different it can be.

This is why we live in a republic and not a democracy. That board is elected to do what they believe is the safest, most efficient, effective way to educate.

Why even survey? To CYA. If anything is clear in this it is the fact that you are going to make a sizable group of people unhappy. Might as well evaluate the options, consult with professionals, consult with some peers or your own kitchen cabinet and make a decision.

If you don't like it, feel free to vote me out of office.

If you read the link I posted about Wylie ISD going back to school the survey helps them plan class sizes, in person teachers, and remote teachers. The superintendent said if 40% of you plan on staying home this will make social distancing easier and class sizes smaller. Those districts not doing any surveying are going to be doing a lot of stuff on the fly and I imagine will be a cluster.

We do have a lot of Karens, I posted some facts and studies regarding COVID and kids on our neighborhood Facebook page and had a lot of kick back. A lot of people not believing the studies (only posted studies from places other than your mainstream sources), saying it is not America so it is not the same, and a bunch of other killing kids stuff. Overall majority thanked me and about 20 people said it changed their mind to send their kids back to school.

Ours was about 40% go back, but the numbers had dropped heavily in the last month. You couldn't retake the survey either, so there were a lot of parents who changed their minds from May to July.

Anecdotally we live in a subdivision that is the only feeder for our neighborhood Elementary and I've only come across one other family who is planning on sending their kids day one. I knew a few others on the fence but they switched to virtual learning after Dr. Escott's Travis County death drivel. So it might be my kid and one other in Kindergarten on campus when it starts.

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Ours are currently 90/10 for in person/ online.

Weird how different it can be.

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This is what ours is as well. Kids start back August 10th in class.

more fuel for the fire

MasterAggie said:

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Ours are currently 90/10 for in person/ online.

Weird how different it can be.

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About 25% of our kids are opting for online learning.

That NY Times article is infuriating. A bunch of weak ass excuses from the unions.

Don't know if it has been said on this thread, but I heard a few doctors say that there hasn't been a single documented case on the planet where a teacher got covid from a student. There was also a Australian study showing that kids are not super spreaders. If already discussed, my bad

A couple things - I'm a high school teacher in Carrollton. We're starting the year off all remote. The in-person to exclusively remote choices for students was like 300-280 last I heard (school of ~1,800). A high-ranking school official predicts we will be 100% remote the whole fall semester (what's going to change in 4 weeks?). The new TEA guidance can affect that.

Unrelated - I have a 4 year old that is scheduled to start pre-k. We were at his doctor on March 16th and I asked if I "actually" needed to keep him home or send my 2 kids to school/daycare, and after a couple resource questions emphatically said I should keep them home.

Flash forward to 3 weeks ago - after we told him none of us are high risk he said to send the 4 year old to school and assume we're going to get it. Hopefully we won't, but plan on it. He said at that age they've already missed so much and need the socialization for proper development. Just thought I'd share.

Have any school districts announced what they are going to do when they have people test positive? All I've seen are the CDC guidelines which say you should keep kids home who have been exposed. If someone tests positive, are they going to require the rest of the class to quarantine? That seems really hard to do at a junior high or high school level, where they change classes and probably end up having contact with a quarter of the grade every day. I'm concerned if I send my son back, and someone tests positive, then I have to keep him home a week. Then he goes back, and someone else tests positive, so I have to keep him a week. Then he goes back, and someone tests positive, etc. If that's the case, it seems better to just do online instruction.

Also, are there guidelines about when they end up shutting down a whole school. It seems like at least once a year, a school up here in DFW area gets shut down for cleaning because of a flu outbreak. I assume they would do the same thing for a Covid outbreak, but at what point do they decide that? 10% of the school sick? 25%? I've seen a lot of stuff about how they are going to try to prevent spread, but I haven't really seen anything about what to do when there are positive cases. It seems inevitable that there will be schools that have an outbreak, especially at the high school level.

Wylie safety protocols for positive cases

Kids are poor carriers and I know of 4 countries that did serology tracing and found none of the students passed it to a teacher. Almost all of the child cases came from the community and not the schools. We just have to be fluid with all of this

Children are still much more likely to transmit a common cold, the flu than COVID. It will be interesting to see if all of these in-school safety protocols will have an effect on non-COVID transmissions (I suspect they will be lower transmission but not significantly).

Most children are only tested when possibly exposed and when they are symptomatic. My guess is there will be even less testing of children once school starts so that parents can plead ignorance. Parents are notorious for doping their mildly sick or allergy suffering kid with medicine before dropping them off already. Strict COVID protocols will only make parents even more likely to push those boundaries.

See it's articles/ tweets like that one that give teachers a bad rap. It's not "teachers" it is whiny ass Democrats who allegedly teach but really just get a paycheck for spreading their BS political agendas to kids. I hate unions. Go back to teaching kids and suck it up.

I'm not sure how the vulnerable in families can protect themselves once schools reopen. Most kids will be fine, but many have extended families which include both elderly and people with underlying conditions, so that even if kids are less contagious, daily contact over an extended period will inevitably lead to family infection. DIFFICULT

Shouldn't each family be allowed to assess their own risk? Or does government get to do that for us?

P.U.T.U said:

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Wylie safety protocols for positive cases

Kids are poor carriers and I know of 4 countries that did serology tracing and found none of the students passed it to a teacher. Almost all of the child cases came from the community and not the schools. We just have to be fluid with all of this

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I fully understand that kids aren't big spreaders and it's not a big effect on them even if they have it. That doesn't mean school districts won't close down on the first case.

Thanks for the link. It would be nice if my school district posted their guidelines since everyone has to decide by Monday.

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planoaggie123 said:

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Shouldn't each family be allowed to assess their own risk? Or does government get to do that for us?

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If the virus conveniently contained itself within only those families which chose to take risk, sure, but that's not how it works.

Play russian roulette if you choose, but don't point your pistol at others around you, too.

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Explain? Your whole argument was about family / extended family.

Are you now arguing for all of society?

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I'm not sure how the vulnerable in families can protect themselves once schools reopen. Most kids will be fine, but many have extended families which include both elderly and people with underlying conditions, so that even if kids are less contagious, daily contact over an extended period will inevitably lead to family infection. DIFFICULT

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That is even more true for Hispanics, who have large populations in Florida, the Southwest and California. About 27 percent live in multigenerational households. The figure is similar for Black people (26 percent) and Asians (29 percent), Pew found.

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Shouldn't we expect transmission levels to be similar across Hispanic, Black and Asian families if they have similar levels of mutligenerational households? Shouldn't we also see similar levels of hospitalizations and death across races?

edit to add: So if hospitalization and death rates are different among Asians versus Hispanics and Blacks, one can assume that multi-generational living isn't necessarily an independent variable but instead is a dependent variable.