Reopening Schools

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AggieBiker said:

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The journalist got pissed when she got called out for manipulating the information.
Can you provide more information? Not familiar with this story up here in the metroplex.



She was trying some dumb gotcha about Katy ISD having all these cases because they went back in person and HISD is virtual. Even though Katy is actually huge. Not as big at HISD but plenty big.

Then she misrepresented the numbers. Got called on her BS and then tried to lie her way out of it.
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I honestly don't understand what you're saying. New as in identified that day? There weren't zero active cases the day you posted and there aren't zero active cases today.
It's not an overwhelming number of cases, but it's not zero.
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tylercsbn9 said:

AggieBiker said:

Smokedraw01 said:



The journalist got pissed when she got called out for manipulating the information.
Can you provide more information? Not familiar with this story up here in the metroplex.



She was trying some dumb gotcha about Katy ISD having all these cases because they went back in person and HISD is virtual. Even though Katy is actually huge. Not as big at HISD but plenty big.

Then she misrepresented the numbers. Got called on her BS and then tried to lie her way out of it.
Thanks for the information.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/no-link-schools-re-opening-coronavirus-infection-rates-global/

"There is no link between schools reopening and rising Covid-19 cases, according to an analysis of data from 191 countries.

Evidence from around the world has shown there is no correlation between pupils returning to education after coronavirus lockdowns and a rise - or fall - in new infections, the report from Insights for Education found.

Chief executive Dr Randa Grob-Zakhary, said: "It's essential to study the evidence to avoid making false assumptions about the impact of opening and closing schools on virus transmission.

"It's been assumed that opening schools will drive infections, and that closing schools will reduce transmission, but the reality is much more complex. The key now is to learn from those countries that are reopening effectively against a backdrop of rising infections.""

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"The analysis backs up what scientists increasingly believe - that children, initially thought to be major potential spreaders of coronavirus infection, do not appear to be playing that role. However, at the same time, there is a growing body of work showing the detrimental effects of keeping kids out of school across the globe.

Reflecting this, the report found that most countries which are now in the midst of their second coronavirus waves, including many European countries, are not considering going back to full-scale school closures and are instead looking at how to keep schools open despite rising infections."
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Despite continued rising cases in our county, we currently have one active case and three total over six weeks in our district.
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I think it makes sense that if kids are in school, they are staying in contact more or less with the same kids, not travelling as much etc. etc.

This was, a theory put out from the French studies, that the contact tracing found that kids in in person school by and large stayed in a quasi-bubble.
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This won't help

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/10/01/919237103/kids-and-superspreaders-are-driving-covid-19-cases-in-india-huge-study-finds
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amercer said:

This won't help

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/10/01/919237103/kids-and-superspreaders-are-driving-covid-19-cases-in-india-huge-study-finds

Actually it suggests that having kids in school helps isolate them from the community, which is what we've seen in the areas of the US that have opened up schools. Much like having college classes; you have large numbers of young healthy people getting COVID but because they're at college they aren't spreading it to the community. So it's far safer than not having classes. And a million times better for their mental health.

My enormous ISD in Texas has been F2F for almost a month. We've had negligible cases and no spread. When kids do test positive, they isolate the class (not the school) and everyone keeps going. It's bordering on criminal negligence at this point to keep kids at home playing video games and watching zoom all day.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but that's not how the study is being interpreted.

"First, this is a study that shows that children do indeed spread the virus to other children," she says. "This will have major implications for kids returning to classrooms, to sports and to other activities where kids tend to be in close contact to each other. I think we need more robust contact tracing studies like this, especially in children, to have a really good understanding of the transmission dynamics in this age group."
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amercer said:

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but that's not how the study is being interpreted.

"First, this is a study that shows that children do indeed spread the virus to other children," she says. "This will have major implications for kids returning to classrooms, to sports and to other activities where kids tend to be in close contact to each other. I think we need more robust contact tracing studies like this, especially in children, to have a really good understanding of the transmission dynamics in this age group."

I see your quote and raise you a quote:
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"What we found in our study is that children were actually quite important," says Laxminarayan. "They were likely to get infected, particularly by young adults of the ages of 20 to 40. They were likely to transmit the disease amongst themselves. And this is unusual, because schools in India have been shut since March. So clearly this is happening just at the community [level]. And then they also go out and infect people of all age groups, including the elderly."


Kids in school aren't around adults for the most part. Teachers can and are taking precautions. Kids in school appears - based on evidence from multiple countries and states - to be a brake on community spread, not an accelerant. And the kids themselves just don't get very sick. They may be positive but their symptoms are very mild. All of which is good, unequivocally.
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Unless there's a school that's requiring mandatory testing on school age children as a study, I'm side eyeing the heck out of all the numbers.

I've been working at my daughter's school as an aide. I've sent both my kids back to school. I say this with the utmost respect for parents and teachers. I'm glad my kids are back and I'm not pulling them.

All those damn kids are sick. There hasn't been a full classroom on any of the days I've worked. Every single one coughs, sneezes, drips snot everywhere. Some sit there glassy-eyed. All of them pass fever screening.

I have not seen one parent voluntarily get their kids tested. Even for days they keep them out of school. The stakes are too high so the parents just aren't getting their kids tested. We will never know the true numbers in school-age kids.

So far in our school no adult has caught it yet, so hopefully all this is just standard fall ickiness. I do know a few teachers at other campuses who got tested and was surprised they were positive. But I wash my hands, keep my mask on when I'm on campus, and try not to get too close to the kids.
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it's going to be interpreted based on local political discipline

the blue state where you live will read something completely different than red state where jenn lives

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Keegan99 said:


That back pack though!
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cone said:

it's going to be interpreted based on local political discipline

the blue state where you live will read something completely different than red state where jenn lives




No doubt.

I would also say that things will probably differ a lot by country. In India, getting kids into schools might result in them being less exposed to the community. That won't be true in the US.
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Prosper ISD elementary school closes temporarily due to Covid.

Is anyone here in Prosper?
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In Frisco here. Prosper is one of the districts that has been open the longest.
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I thought it was one of the first, but wasn't sure I was remembering it correctly.
I'm honestly surprised it hasn't been more of a story, but I actually had to go look for confirmation when it was mentioned to me in a conversation.
I hope it's an outlier, not the beginning of a trend.
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Covid is really starting to spread at my school. This time last week, we had one active case and three total for the year. We now have around 25 cases, including two teachers that are currently hospitalized. It's crazy how fast this went from nothing at our school to being on the verge of shutting down.
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Damn. Two teachers in the hospital?
Do you mind sharing general location and which type of school (elementary, junior high, or high)?
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cc_ag92 said:

Damn. Two teachers in the hospital?
Do you mind sharing general location and which type of school (elementary, junior high, or high)?


Springfield, MO area (the whole metro area is getting hammered right now), 7-12 building, 350 students, both teachers female. One teacher in 60s, one probably late 30s. As far as I know, neither are in the ICU.
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cc_ag92 said:

Prosper ISD elementary school closes temporarily due to Covid.

Is anyone here in Prosper?

I am. It is all overreaction. Guys, I am in the schools. This situation is hurting kids' education. That to me is the most important thing to consider, regardless of how the virus treats us adults. The fact is the virus isn't a threat to students. B/c of that, all procedures need to emphasize this fact first. Online education needs to end as well. I personally have watched it and there is no reason for 99% of the students to be home. Their education and as important, their mental health suffers.

I am tired of all the "compassion" excuses and fear mongering. In the end, the education and mental health of this next generation HAS to take precedent over other issues regarding the virus. The long term effects of shutting back down or staying with a hybrid in class/online school system are worse than almost any other outcome this virus has in our society. Guys, we risk losing a generation b/c of all of this. Get back in class, get through the spikes, stop excessive and unnecessary quarantining and lets get back to focusing on educating our children.
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Capitol Ag said:



I am tired of all the "compassion" excuses and fear mongering. In the end, the education and mental health of this next generation HAS to take precedent over other issues regarding the virus. The long term effects of shutting back down or staying with a hybrid in class/online school system are worse than almost any other outcome this virus has in our society. Guys, we risk losing a generation b/c of all of this. Get back in class, get through the spikes, stop excessive and unnecessary quarantining and lets get back to focusing on educating our children.
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Agree completely with you. Could not have said it better. School boards and administrators across Texas, some more than others, have greatly failed those that they serve and represent.

I am convinced that the only way that children are going to be allowed some kind of semblance of a what used to be normal education is if there is mass de-enrollments across Texas. Right now the districts can have their cake and eat it too with receiving state funding and continuing on with this virtual crap.

I will sum up our experience with the virtual deal, my wife yelling "you better have all A's with the amount of cheating that you are doing" at our daughter.

Grades at the local high end IB school are the highest they have ever been for a first grading period. Really? LOL. Yet at the regular HS 40% of the freshman class are flunking one or more subjects. Right.....all that makes perfect sense.

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Wylie schools are now seeing a "spike" at the high schools but from a mom she says most are showing no symptoms or mild illness. Collin county has had less than 1% of the population test positive for Covid so this is expected.
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Canton ISD is ending online learning Monday. Around fifteen percent of students were doing it. Seventy percent were failing at least one subject. It was doubling the teachers work.
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Prexys Moon said:

Canton ISD is ending online learning Monday. Around fifteen percent of students were doing it. Seventy percent were failing at least one subject. It was doubling the teachers work.

Those figures can pretty much be extrapolated to every other school I've heard about. I have a Senior in high school and a Sophomore at Blinn. I also have several good friends who are teachers.

Online learning is a failure. Lazy kids are taking advantage of the system and kids who want to learn are struggling in the online environment. Kids aren't learning and teachers are working 7 days a week to support two sets of kids.

These kids are virtually unaffected by Covid, but their education and mental health are suffering greatly. It's time to end all this nonsense. Past time. Way past time.
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Absolutely right. Well said.

And I would add that it is turning some students that thrived in a regimented curriculum setting into corner cutting slackers as they are no longer really accountable and have found that they can obtain the same or better results for less effort and time.
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RGV AG said:

corner cutting slackers as they are no longer really accountable and have found that they can obtain the same or better results for less effort and time.


You just described my entire academic career in HS and college. And that was in the 90s before online learning was even a thing.
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My kids go to one of the Prosper elementaries and my son's coach had to cancel their game last Saturday because of this. Three of the players go to Cockrell including the coach's son and while none of them tested positive(one even had it earlier this summer) he didn't want to chance it. The kids got tested and we played our regularly scheduled game Tuesday.

I am fine if a kid is sick and has to quarantine but this contact tracing 14 day quarantine method has to stop.
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My kids' district, Southlake, seems to be starting to see a very small uptick. Not a scientific study, just based on the emails we get from the district. Nothing major, yet. Went from about one kid being positive per week, to a couple a day now. That's across the district, and most of them are all in HS. I know multiple parents, though, who have had kids test positive and did not tell the district because they don't want to quarantine their kids, so it's likely much higher.
 
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