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In reply to AggieFrog • 2:36p, 8/13/20
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And we're back to questions regarding if decisions are being made in the best interest of the kids.
Because it's not just about the kids. It's faculty/staff safety, substitute availability, community spread, etc. It's just not that simple.


It absolutely should be. The mission of providing kids the best education possible should outweigh a 1% risk to the educators or administrators.

Sometimes, the mission comes first and outweighs the countervailing concerns. This is one of those times.
Define 1% risk? Of dying? Of having a serious infection (which is > 1%)? Of there being substitute shortages (definitely > 1% if there is spread in the school)?

Like I said, it's just not that simple. Reducing it to merely being about the students is ignoring all the other issues.
Well it should be about the students. I'm confused at what point in our history we put the possible safety of adults over what is best for children?

If this is what is best for children, you make it happen one way or another.
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In reply to beerad12man • 2:41p, 8/13/20
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beerad12man said:
AggieFrog said:
The_Fox said:
AggieFrog said:
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And we're back to questions regarding if decisions are being made in the best interest of the kids.
Because it's not just about the kids. It's faculty/staff safety, substitute availability, community spread, etc. It's just not that simple.


It absolutely should be. The mission of providing kids the best education possible should outweigh a 1% risk to the educators or administrators.

Sometimes, the mission comes first and outweighs the countervailing concerns. This is one of those times.
Define 1% risk? Of dying? Of having a serious infection (which is > 1%)? Of there being substitute shortages (definitely > 1% if there is spread in the school)?

Like I said, it's just not that simple. Reducing it to merely being about the students is ignoring all the other issues.
Well it should be about the students. I'm confused at what point in our history we put the possible safety of adults over what is best for children?

If this is what is best for children, you make it happen one way or another.
But as I noted this creates issues beyond purely the health of the student or staff. If there aren't enough subs, bus drivers, etc. that creates logistical issues that impact the student as well. What's best for the children may mean that we have reduced capacity to slow the spread and allow for a school to even run.
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In reply to AggieFrog • 2:46p, 8/13/20
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I'm hearing a school in Mesquite has apparently been shutdown within two days of restart due to a teacher testing positive. I guess the teachers didn't have protocols to isolate before going back into the classroom?


That would be gross mismanagement if true.
Well - is it a public school or private? If private, how small? Agreed if it's a large public school it sounds like an overreaction. If it's a pretty small private school, maybe not.
Back to the we should never go back to school because there is a chance we can't find a sub argument.
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2:48p, 8/13/20
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"If there aren't enough subs, bus drivers, etc. that creates logistical issues that impact the student as well. What's best for the children may mean that we have reduced capacity to slow the spread and allow for a school to even run."


To my point, all about why something "may" not work vs. solutions.
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In reply to harge57 • 2:56p, 8/13/20
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harge57 said:
AggieFrog said:
AgLA06 said:
tysker said:
I'm hearing a school in Mesquite has apparently been shutdown within two days of restart due to a teacher testing positive. I guess the teachers didn't have protocols to isolate before going back into the classroom?


That would be gross mismanagement if true.
Well - is it a public school or private? If private, how small? Agreed if it's a large public school it sounds like an overreaction. If it's a pretty small private school, maybe not.
Back to the we should never go back to school because there is a chance we can't find a sub argument.
No - but if you can't take precautions, then going back like it was before January with everyone in person will fail. And then you have places like the school at Georgia refusing to take the most basic of precautions (masks). The answer is somewhere in between. And yes, parents will be inconvenienced, but they would be anyway when the school shuts down.
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In reply to AggieFrog • 2:57p, 8/13/20
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AggieFrog said:
harge57 said:
AggieFrog said:
AgLA06 said:
tysker said:
I'm hearing a school in Mesquite has apparently been shutdown within two days of restart due to a teacher testing positive. I guess the teachers didn't have protocols to isolate before going back into the classroom?


That would be gross mismanagement if true.
Well - is it a public school or private? If private, how small? Agreed if it's a large public school it sounds like an overreaction. If it's a pretty small private school, maybe not.
Back to the we should never go back to school because there is a chance we can't find a sub argument.
No - but if you can't take precautions, then going back like it was before January with everyone in person will fail. And then you have places like the school at Georgia refusing to take the most basic of precautions (masks). The answer is somewhere in between. And yes, parents will be inconvenienced, but they would be anyway when the school shuts down.
Kids wearing masks is just dumb. Have you been around a 6 YO before?
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In reply to HowdyTexasAggies • 2:57p, 8/13/20
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"If there aren't enough subs, bus drivers, etc. that creates logistical issues that impact the student as well. What's best for the children may mean that we have reduced capacity to slow the spread and allow for a school to even run."


To my point, all about why something "may" not work vs. solutions.
The solutions are what we're hearing the bellyaching about. Having some remote to reduce capacity. Wearing masks. No mass gatherings. Etc. Those are the solutions, at least until we have a vaccine or at least very low level community spread.
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In reply to FriscoKid • 3:02p, 8/13/20
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Kids wearing masks is just dumb. Have you been around a 6 YO before?
Uh, yes. Have 3 sons, have taught Sunday school, etc. Think I understand being around young kids. Under 10 is most definitely a challenge (and not required for those under 10 in many places).
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In reply to AggieFrog • 3:05p, 8/13/20
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AggieFrog said:
AgLA06 said:
tysker said:
I'm hearing a school in Mesquite has apparently been shutdown within two days of restart due to a teacher testing positive. I guess the teachers didn't have protocols to isolate before going back into the classroom?


That would be gross mismanagement if true.
Well - is it a public school or private? If private, how small? Agreed if it's a large public school it sounds like an overreaction. If it's a pretty small private school, maybe not.


Normally, I would agree with you.. However, unless it's a one room school house, this doesn't matter.
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In reply to AggieFrog • 3:13p, 8/13/20
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AggieFrog said:
harge57 said:
AggieFrog said:
AgLA06 said:
tysker said:
I'm hearing a school in Mesquite has apparently been shutdown within two days of restart due to a teacher testing positive. I guess the teachers didn't have protocols to isolate before going back into the classroom?


That would be gross mismanagement if true.
Well - is it a public school or private? If private, how small? Agreed if it's a large public school it sounds like an overreaction. If it's a pretty small private school, maybe not.
Back to the we should never go back to school because there is a chance we can't find a sub argument.
No - but if you can't take precautions, then going back like it was before January with everyone in person will fail. And then you have places like the school at Georgia refusing to take the most basic of precautions (masks). The answer is somewhere in between. And yes, parents will be inconvenienced, but they would be anyway when the school shuts down.


The GA school reopening is a test of how things will actually work if things get opened back up. They are taking a calculated risk that hopefully will benefit the rest of the country. We need to pay close attention to what is actually occurring there (really sick people/hospitalizations/death) and be ready to accept that the fear is real or significantly over sold. We then can hopefully all begin to agree on what mitigation we need to actually take regarding COVID.
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In reply to kag00 • 3:16p, 8/13/20
kag00 said:
AggieFrog said:
harge57 said:
AggieFrog said:
AgLA06 said:
tysker said:
I'm hearing a school in Mesquite has apparently been shutdown within two days of restart due to a teacher testing positive. I guess the teachers didn't have protocols to isolate before going back into the classroom?


That would be gross mismanagement if true.
Well - is it a public school or private? If private, how small? Agreed if it's a large public school it sounds like an overreaction. If it's a pretty small private school, maybe not.
Back to the we should never go back to school because there is a chance we can't find a sub argument.
No - but if you can't take precautions, then going back like it was before January with everyone in person will fail. And then you have places like the school at Georgia refusing to take the most basic of precautions (masks). The answer is somewhere in between. And yes, parents will be inconvenienced, but they would be anyway when the school shuts down.


The GA school reopening is a test of how things will actually work if things get opened back up. They are taking a calculated risk that hopefully will benefit the rest of the country. We need to pay close attention to what is actually occurring there (really sick people children/hospitalizations/death) and be ready to accept that the fear is real or significantly over sold. We then can hopefully all begin to agree on what mitigation we need to actually take regarding COVID.
FIFY. That is the only statistic that actually matters in regards to how to conduct primary education.
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In reply to AggieFrog • 3:32p, 8/13/20
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Kids wearing masks is just dumb. Have you been around a 6 YO before?
Uh, yes. Have 3 sons, have taught Sunday school, etc. Think I understand being around young kids. Under 10 is most definitely a challenge (and not required for those under 10 in many places).
Then you know that they are going to chew on them, not keep them on their face, and they have a better chance of getting stuff in their mouth if they have to bother wearing them. It's a dumb idea. And not that much better of an idea for HS students.
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In reply to FriscoKid • 3:37p, 8/13/20
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Precisely why it's not required for those under 10 most places.
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In reply to AggieFrog • 3:50p, 8/13/20
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that's not CDC guidance
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In reply to cone • 3:56p, 8/13/20
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It meets the state mandate. Oh, and all CDC and TEA guidelines are only suggestions and say where possible.
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In reply to kag00 • 4:01p, 8/13/20
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kag00 said:
AggieFrog said:
harge57 said:
AggieFrog said:
AgLA06 said:
tysker said:
I'm hearing a school in Mesquite has apparently been shutdown within two days of restart due to a teacher testing positive. I guess the teachers didn't have protocols to isolate before going back into the classroom?


That would be gross mismanagement if true.
Well - is it a public school or private? If private, how small? Agreed if it's a large public school it sounds like an overreaction. If it's a pretty small private school, maybe not.
Back to the we should never go back to school because there is a chance we can't find a sub argument.
No - but if you can't take precautions, then going back like it was before January with everyone in person will fail. And then you have places like the school at Georgia refusing to take the most basic of precautions (masks). The answer is somewhere in between. And yes, parents will be inconvenienced, but they would be anyway when the school shuts down.


The GA school reopening is a test of how things will actually work if things get opened back up. They are taking a calculated risk that hopefully will benefit the rest of the country. We need to pay close attention to what is actually occurring there (really sick people/hospitalizations/death) and be ready to accept that the fear is real or significantly over sold. We then can hopefully all begin to agree on what mitigation we need to actually take regarding COVID.

I'm in Cobb County GA, which borders both Cherokee and Paulding that started last Monday. We are all watching them hoping for the best, but after 8 days of classes Cherokee has now closed two high schools for the rest of August. In other schools, If a kid tests positive then the health department will quaratine those they were sitting near, but not an entire classroom. And Paulding has now switched to a hybrid model.

All other counties closer to Atl are entirely remote to start. Will be interesting to keep an eye for how they do from here.
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In reply to AggieFrog • 4:12p, 8/13/20
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Precisely why it's not required for those under 10 most places.
That's not true. We are fully masked k-12.
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In reply to FriscoKid • 4:14p, 8/13/20
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AggieFrog said:
Precisely why it's not required for those under 10 most places.
That's not true. We are fully masked k-12.
also Boerne. Pk-12
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In reply to 88planoAg • 4:18p, 8/13/20
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FriscoKid said:
AggieFrog said:
Precisely why it's not required for those under 10 most places.
That's not true. We are fully masked k-12.
also Boerne. Pk-12
My bad - in July it was 10 and over (and that's still the policy at my kids' private school). Looks like Aledo changed from 10+ to all students on 7/31. Most of the summer it was 10+ when I was hearing about plans.
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4:37p, 8/13/20
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4th grade and up for our school
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In reply to FriscoKid • 5:03p, 8/13/20
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FriscoKid said:
AggieFrog said:
Precisely why it's not required for those under 10 most places.
That's not true. We are fully masked k-12.


It is correct. He didn't say all. Most went 4th grade and above based on the governor.
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5:57p, 8/13/20
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Yep. Most doesn't mean all so not sure why you think it's "not true".
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6:39p, 8/13/20
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Is the consensus that most big districts in Texas are going to use the full eights weeks of virtual or are most planning to go back after four weeks?
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In reply to DripAG08 • 6:41p, 8/13/20
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Is the consensus that most big districts in Texas are going to use the full eights weeks of virtual or are most planning to go back after four weeks?


As of now, all students stay home with online learning until September 8th in my district.
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In reply to Smokedraw01 • 6:48p, 8/13/20
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AustinAg008 said:
Is the consensus that most big districts in Texas are going to use the full eights weeks of virtual or are most planning to go back after four weeks?


As of now, all students stay home with online learning until September 8th in my district.


What district?
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In reply to Smokedraw01 • 6:48p, 8/13/20
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7:12p, 8/13/20
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Cy Fair (Houston Area) starts both online and in-person on Sept 8.
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7:32p, 8/13/20
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Well, if nothing else there should be a lot of data from Georgia by the time most other places open (or don't)
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7:46p, 8/13/20
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Meanwhile, in New York... In an area that has burned out and has been running less than ONE PERCENT positive (which may be the operational false positive rate, for all we know...) doesn't think it will be safe to open schools.

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In reply to DripAG08 • 8:10p, 8/13/20
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In reply to Keegan99 • 8:24p, 8/13/20
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The people we have entrusted to teach our children STEM reject its tenets when challenged.
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8:38p, 8/13/20
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We're in Dripping. Glad to hear some bigger districts ready to go, hoping we avoid following in the footsteps of the mothership that is AISD.
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In reply to FriscoKid • 8:43p, 8/13/20
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I was in an elementary school today. Almost every student was wearing a mask. It was kind of amazing because I keep hearing from TexAgs that it's impossible for them.

Oh, I taught 1st grade (you know, the grade where most students are 6) for 13 years. So, yes, I've been around a few six-year-olds.

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8:51p, 8/13/20
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I can't keep up with this thread anymore. I think schools are going to have a tough time opening with full manpower. Here's the example: the "Academy" is a daycare for district employees' kids. They've been open all of 4 days and already had a positive case. Now I think they have to shut down for up to 2 weeks. What are their parents (district employees) going to do?

Whether their parents are teachers, bus drivers, food services, or whatever, they have to find childcare or watch their kids or won't be able to go in. Hopefully they'll be able to teach from home.

Solve the childcare problem and it will be a lot easier to open up schools.
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In reply to gvine07 • 8:53p, 8/13/20
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Daycares have been open for months. That's a problem private enterprise has solved.
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