Forgot about the hound. Good call

I think he respected stark in season 1, that's why he was so upset that the guard stabbed him during their fight

Ser Barristan is the only one of the 3 that has been mentioned in the series. The Hound is not one of them.

Hopefully Ser Barristan will be back.

Maybe Ser Jorah? He seems like he'd be pretty handy in a fight.

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I think he respected stark in season 1, that's why he was so upset that the guard stabbed him during their fight

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I would say/think the same thing, except he was always really mouthy to Ned. Of course, that is his way, so you might be right.

I don't think the series has emphasized how highly Jaime's sword fighting skills are regarded. He is universally acclaimed throughout Westeros as nearly unbeatable. Among living knights, only Ser Barristan (in his prime) has a similar reputation. MAYBE Ser Loras, the Knight of Flowers. Maybe. But that's it. We're talking Jedi-level badassedness here.

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Ser Barristan is the only one of the 3 that has been mentioned in the series. The Hound is not one of them.

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I think I'm safe in asking this question since the character's I'm asking about are from the first book (started it but haven't finished it...and it's the only one of the books I own).

Is one of the other swords that might beat him that Thoros guy from Myr who lights his sword on fire? He hasn't been mentioned at all in the TV series and only once or twice in the first book. And who would the other one be? Or is he mentioned in book 2 or 3 but not in book one?

Loras was almost certainly one of the "3 Knights" Jaime was referencing. Remember in the first season when LF talks about how he lost the bet to Tyrion on the knife because "Jaime Lannister was unhorsed by the Knight of the Flowers". The Mountain and Hound are certainly elite as well with Selmy as the other possibility.

The only difference in the book vs the show on Jaime being released is that Cat had just heard that Bran and Rickon were killed and she went to Jaime in a panic that she wanted to save her other children. It made a little more sense as a mother in grief. Not really sure why they killed off the ravens and made the killing somewhat secretive.

Unseating with a lance in a joust is much different than combat with a sword.

True, but still Loras is considered a great swordsman and he is someone Jaime certainly knows well. It also would be a good foreshadow to Brienne mentioning she beat Loras. The line is not in the book, it is new material so it is a mystery.

True, but still Loras is considered a great swordsman and he is someone Jaime certainly knows well. It also would be a good foreshadow to Brienne mentioning she beat Loras. The line is not in the book, it is new material so it is a mystery.

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I'm still confused by Jaime Lannisters whole set up. That seemed like such a stretch that Cat would send him south with the Giant Woman for an exchange. That REALLY dumb move just didn't fit with anything else going on around it or that Catelyn has done so far. Having not read the books, I would presume they've left out a lot of stuff leading up to that decision and just shoe horned it in there to keep the story line alive.

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The TV show has done a much better job setting it up than the book. LF's proposal to Catelyn was never in the books.

One of the overriding themes in this world is that people are often flawed by their house's virtue. Ned served the realm as the Starks have done for centuries. Theon can only claim what he takes. Catelyn is bound to the words and priorities of House Tully: "Family, duty, honor" If you remember season one when Bran is going through the sigils and words of the houses, he recites "Family, duty, honor" then comes to the conclusion that "family" comes first, at least to a Tully which his mother is.

Now go back two episodes and Jaime mocks her saying she has finally transformed into a she-wolf (Stark). That may have been the tipping point to her decision.

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Not really sure why they killed off the ravens and made the killing somewhat secretive.

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Because even before Theon Winterfell was vastly undermanned and though the residents have "bent the knee" to Theon, if someone else came attacking, they would turn given the chance. Theon knows he has to delay the news of the murders as long as he can because he knows he's fooked.

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Regarding Roz: I didn't even recognize her with her hair crazy, clothes on, bruised face. Then when I read this thread it made sense, but I still didn't think about how/why they would have thought she was connected to Tyrion. I thought maybe Shae had given her trinkets away or sold something to someone. But this morning it crossed my mind.....did Tyrion give Roz the lion necklace (that Cersei mentioned) when he was at Winterfell with the prostitutes?

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I took it as Roz somehow found out that they were looking for Tyrion's woman and without being asked, posed as her (maybe taking the trinket in order to do so). Then the comment "Do not forget me." was referring to a Lannister always paying their debt. She sees it as a way that if she survives, then she is going to be taken care of for the rest of her life (and thus worth the risk).

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The only difference in the book vs the show on Jaime being released is that Cat had just heard that Bran and Rickon were killed and she went to Jaime in a panic that she wanted to save her other children. It made a little more sense as a mother in grief

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Yeah, had she heard the news of Bran/Rickon then I would have bought that storyline a whole lot more. As it stands, not only did it come off as unrealistic for her character, but the whole "cliffhanger" of what she did when she took out the sword in the previous episode was about as formulaic as they come. Without reading the books or knowing her motives, most knew that she wasn't going to kill him and was insetad setting him free (for whatever reason).

A man has patrol duty

Unsay a man's name

Did she really send Jamie off to be traded or just under that guise to get him out before someone overruled rob and killed him anyways

I think they were implying it was both. 1) She might be able to make the trade and 2) If the mob ruled and he was killed, her children were as good as dead.

In the first season when Theon was banging Roz he takes not of the trinket that Tyrion gave Roz and made a comment about how cheap gold was to a Lannister. This might have been the same trinket that Cersei finds on her and makes her look like Tyrion's "kept woman".

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Could y'all tone down the book/show comparisons on this thread?

No.

Then why don't you start a thread for no show spoiler but plenty of book spoilers?

There are several people that are reading or planning on reading the books that don't want all the differences noted.

Why don't you make one? Most of the discussions on this thread are elaborations on what happens on the book, I have only read book 1 and don't feel like book 1 or 2 has been spoiled and its nice to understand more of what is going on from week to week

I gotta agree with poodoo here but other than what Stive said (which really only revealed a character but didn't really "spoil" anything) it hasn't been a big issue of late that I've seen.

Also agree with poodoo. Sometimes having knowledge gaps in the show - potentially filled by info from the books - fuels the speculation and discussion that is part of this thread. Obviously all we can ask for is courtesy.

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Why don't you make one?

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while I agree it hasn't been an issue...look at the freaking thread title. This thread was made for people who haven't read the books and NO spoilers...that includes "filler"

that being said, I haven't had an issue at all with the folks who have been respectful and chimed in with some background filler from the books, but I'm not going to tell people who don't necessarily like it to go "make their own thread" when this thread expressed exactly what Poo wants, and was abused anyway.

if anything, YOU and others should make the "GoT for those who haven't read the books but want filler info if we have questions--no other spoilers though!" thread.

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Why don't you make one?

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Because this is the NO SPOILERS thread, ass.

Folks are awfully careful not to post spoilers here. The reason for the book comparisons are for backstory issues or to try to explain something that is not explained well in the show or goes by really fast. I don't see how it is helpful for folks that are trying to follow a really complicated set of plots to let them go off of false assumptions or misunderstand something that is poorly explained. There is also some book discussion on some of the added scenes that aren't in the books to show that even the readers have no clue what is going to happen or what is being referred to, though that is done carefully.

I'm reading Book 1 now, and even filler information could be a spoiler.

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I'm reading Book 1 now, and even filler information could be a spoiler.

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So has every Sunday night on hbo

I cracked up at Jaqen Hagar during his and Arya's exchange.

Unsay a man's name!

No!

........Please?!

The way he said it with this childlike innocence was hilarious after being so calm and cool all season. Awesome character!

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I'm reading Book 1 now, and even filler information could be a spoiler

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I'm reading Book 1 right now as well and I have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe a few small things up at the Wall with the Night's Watch but nothing major.

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Folks are awfully careful not to post spoilers here. The reason for the book comparisons are for backstory issues or to try to explain something that is not explained well in the show or goes by really fast. I don't see how it is helpful for folks that are trying to follow a really complicated set of plots to let them go off of false assumptions or misunderstand something that is poorly explained. There is also some book discussion on some of the added scenes that aren't in the books to show that even the readers have no clue what is going to happen or what is being referred to, though that is done carefully.

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Put me in this camp. No one has thrown a spoiler out there in a while. Even the name I mentioned is not a spoiler. There are 100's of names in the book that the show never has the chance to discuss. They're all minor or even non-players. The one I brought up is mentioned in about the 3rd chapter of Book 1 and has one other mention later but really has no roll in the book or the show.

Besides....if you've forgotten we're on Season 2. If anything that has been mentioned from Book 1 on here has spoiled something for you then you deserve it. If this were the Season 1 thread you'd have a beef and I would be right there with you telling people to shut up. Or if they were bringing up stuff from Clash of Kings (the book) then I might get mad. But when the watchers come in here and ask the readers "what's this Brotherhood that the Tickler, Tywinn, The Mountain keep referring to without an explanation?", and a reader explains it, the show makes more sense. If you can't handle that, you probably shouldn't even be reading these threads.

this is a thread for those who haven't read the books. I don't know why some of you can't hold your water on these type of things. We had the same issue last season and eventually created another thread.

It's about no spoilers to the show.

And just to be clear, I didn't say anything about people filling in the gaps.

I don't want to be told what is not in the book versus the show and vice versa. There is no need for that.