Honest question.

Can a vape shop open that doesn't have covered windows, annoying LED flashing signs, and obvious "illegal activity happens here" vibes?

I mean I've never seen a vape shop open that wasn't in a roach infested Diamond Shamrock or in a strip mall that will disappear in 6 months.

If THC vape shops looked like a Target or just a normal mom and pop shop people wouldn't care nearly as much.

From my recollection of a work meeting, this bill is more complex than it appears. The bill is simply banning the sale THC products and allowing CBD products to be sold. The bill is going to cut down significantly on drug enforcement and testing since labs won't have to test pens for CBD anymore.

THC pens were always illegal, shops just skirted around it every way they could. This is just closing the loophole and Patrick getting to virtue signal to his old friends that he banned weed again.

He should ban galaxy gas next.

Esteban du Plantier said:

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johnnyblaze36 said:

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Esteban du Plantier said:

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Sid Farkas said:

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The whole pro weed movement is a bust. Make it stop.

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Why?

When it used to fund the cartels, sure.

At this point it's no different than beer and it's produced domestically by normal companies.

Why keep it illegal?

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It's much different than beer and far less harmful than alcohol. Your post earlier about helping you drink less is a prime example of the benefits that countless others share as well.

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I'm making the moral equivalence that if alcohol is a normal part of our life, then cannabis should be too.

Even moreso, since alcohol is so destructive.

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I understood that, fully agree, and tried to adavance your opinion even further.

Full disclosure: I was brought on three weeks ago as the very first rep by a company with its own production plant in this space and have come to learn a lot about in a short span. My buddy/our founder has been going to these legislative sessions the past week and small business owners have been lobbying against it obviously and Dan Patrick and his cronies are so far out of their depth here it is unreal.

They don't understand it nor the adverse societal effects that have already been pointed out by others regarding black markets, crushing small to mid size businesses, consumers that have found therapeutic relief in them, or even flat out enjoyment because you know, we're grown adults that can make our own freaking decisions.

Hell, I was just in contact literally yesterday about potentail sponsorhips with this very website. We have already formulated beverages that have the word "mushroom" in them that I'm sure Dan Patrick will turn his attention to next without realizing what healthy prebiotc sodas are because he's a bought and paid for total loser.

I won't say which products in fear of "buy an ad!" remarks, but I do have very strong feelings about this topic and Dan Patrick can go to hell.

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Honest question.

Can a vape shop open that doesn't have covered windows, annoying LED flashing signs, and obvious "illegal activity happens here" vibes?

I mean I've never seen a vape shop open that wasn't in a roach infested Diamond Shamrock or in a strip mall that will disappear in 6 months.

If THC vape shops looked like a Target or just a normal mom and pop shop people wouldn't care nearly as much.

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There are nice ones all over conservative College Station of all places.

agaberto said:

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"We're going to ban your stores before we leave here for good, whether it's in May or July or August," Patrick declared at a press conference Wednesday morning, recommending they voluntarily close their doors now.
Patrick's remarks come as he leads a push for Senate Bill 3, authored by State Sen. Charles Perry (RLubbock), which would shut down all THC-infused product sales, close existing smoke shops, and prevent new ones from opening. He described the explosion of over 8,000 THC retailers across Texas in just the last few years as nothing short of a backdoor marijuana legalization effort, fueled by loopholes in state and federal law.The Senate passed the bill in a 24-7 vote Wednesday afternoon.

"These rogue retailers are selling THC products containing several times more THC content than marijuana purchased from a drug dealer off the street," Patrick said in a statement after the passage of SB 3. "These dangerous products must not be allowed to permeate our communities and endanger Texas children."
https://texasscorecard.com/state/dan-patrick-vows-to-shut-down-thc-shops-in-texas/

I don't have a dog in this fight, but the studies make clear that this industry has led to some negative consequences in our local communities. Freedom has its cost.

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What is Abbott's take on this. I doubt he will call a special session for this.

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From my recollection of a work meeting, this bill is more complex than it appears. The bill is simply banning the sale THC products and allowing CBD products to be sold. The bill is going to cut down significantly on drug enforcement and testing since labs won't have to test pens for CBD anymore.

THC pens were always illegal, shops just skirted around it every way they could. This is just closing the loophole and Patrick getting to virtue signal to his old friends that he banned weed again.

He should ban galaxy gas next.

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It also makes possession of THC illegal. So no importing from out of state. Better hope any CBD you buy is actually "THC free" which I don't think is possible.

What would also completely cut out drug testing bills? Legalizing marijuana. No need to test a legal substance.

They can't put the weed genie back in the bottle. The public enjoys the taste of freedom they've received from their political overlords. I have no issues banning smoking flower in public, but completely banning sale/possession of "vape shop" THC is ridiculous until CUP is updated/expanded.

txyaloo said:

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Tergdor said:

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From my recollection of a work meeting, this bill is more complex than it appears. The bill is simply banning the sale THC products and allowing CBD products to be sold. The bill is going to cut down significantly on drug enforcement and testing since labs won't have to test pens for CBD anymore.

THC pens were always illegal, shops just skirted around it every way they could. This is just closing the loophole and Patrick getting to virtue signal to his old friends that he banned weed again.

He should ban galaxy gas next.

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It also makes possession of THC illegal. So no importing from out of state. Better hope any CBD you buy is actually "THC free" which I don't think is possible.

What would also completely cut out drug testing bills? Legalizing marijuana. No need to test a legal substance.

They can't put the weed genie back in the bottle. The public enjoys the taste of freedom they've received from their political overlords. I have no issues banning smoking flower in public, but completely banning sale/possession of "vape shop" THC is ridiculous until CUP is updated/expanded.

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Possessing THC was always illegal, that's why carts/pens were tested in the first place. Across state lines is federally illegal.

You can get CBD isolates. They've been on the drug market for a long time.

Tergdor said:

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txyaloo said:

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Tergdor said:

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From my recollection of a work meeting, this bill is more complex than it appears. The bill is simply banning the sale THC products and allowing CBD products to be sold. The bill is going to cut down significantly on drug enforcement and testing since labs won't have to test pens for CBD anymore.

THC pens were always illegal, shops just skirted around it every way they could. This is just closing the loophole and Patrick getting to virtue signal to his old friends that he banned weed again.

He should ban galaxy gas next.

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It also makes possession of THC illegal. So no importing from out of state. Better hope any CBD you buy is actually "THC free" which I don't think is possible.

What would also completely cut out drug testing bills? Legalizing marijuana. No need to test a legal substance.

They can't put the weed genie back in the bottle. The public enjoys the taste of freedom they've received from their political overlords. I have no issues banning smoking flower in public, but completely banning sale/possession of "vape shop" THC is ridiculous until CUP is updated/expanded.

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Possessing THC was always illegal, that's why carts/pens were tested in the first place. Across state lines is federally illegal.

You can get CBD isolates. They've been on the drug market for a long time.

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Except there's supposedly a difference between hemp derived products with THC content <whatever the legal percentage is and "illegal thc" both federally and in state law.

Guess I should have been more specific - the bill makes possession of items "that contain hemp or one or more hemp-derived cannabinoids" illegal which effectively bans all vape shop products which are currently legal

txyaloo said:

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Tergdor said:

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txyaloo said:

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Tergdor said:

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From my recollection of a work meeting, this bill is more complex than it appears. The bill is simply banning the sale THC products and allowing CBD products to be sold. The bill is going to cut down significantly on drug enforcement and testing since labs won't have to test pens for CBD anymore.

THC pens were always illegal, shops just skirted around it every way they could. This is just closing the loophole and Patrick getting to virtue signal to his old friends that he banned weed again.

He should ban galaxy gas next.

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It also makes possession of THC illegal. So no importing from out of state. Better hope any CBD you buy is actually "THC free" which I don't think is possible.

What would also completely cut out drug testing bills? Legalizing marijuana. No need to test a legal substance.

They can't put the weed genie back in the bottle. The public enjoys the taste of freedom they've received from their political overlords. I have no issues banning smoking flower in public, but completely banning sale/possession of "vape shop" THC is ridiculous until CUP is updated/expanded.

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Possessing THC was always illegal, that's why carts/pens were tested in the first place. Across state lines is federally illegal.

You can get CBD isolates. They've been on the drug market for a long time.

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Except there's supposedly a difference between hemp derived products with THC content <whatever the legal percentage is and "illegal thc" both federally and in state law.

Guess I should have been more specific - the bill makes possession of items "that contain hemp or one or more hemp-derived cannabinoids" illegal which effectively bans all vape shop products which are currently legal

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Well, I went and read the bill. The bill doesn't touch anything that has to do with the regulation of low-THC hemp/cannabis in chapter 487, so I think those are still fine. It looks like the bill only focuses on manufactured and artificial products and how they're sold.

Here's the major changes I saw with a quick read through:

1. Smoke shops need to get a license to sell
2. Products have to be tested/approved before sale
3. Products can only have CBD and CBG
4. D-9 0.3% exception is gone
5. No synthetic cannabinoids allowed
6. No mixing with other drugs
7. No shops within 1000 feet of a school
8. Can't market to kids

Got three teenagers middle school and up.

They are seeing middle schoolers vaping in the bathrooms and it is becoming a problem.

Marijuana is ****ing awful and smells worse than cigarette smoke and as far as second hand smoke is gives you headaches and *****

In areas where it is legalized and they do it in multiunit housing/apartments its ****ing awful for surrounding residents.

Used to think it wasn't a big deal because i really don't care if someone wants to fry their brain on pot, but after being exposed to the fact that potheads are inconsiderate AF about how and where and when they choose to light up has made me reconsider my position on that matter.

At least most smokers I know ask politely before lighting up.

Tergdor said:

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Here's the major changes I saw with a quick read through:

1. Smoke shops need to get a license to sell
2. Products have to be tested/approved before sale
3. Products can only have CBD and CBG
4. D-9 0.3% exception is gone
5. No synthetic cannabinoids allowed
6. No mixing with other drugs
7. No shops within 1000 feet of a school
8. Can't market to kids

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It's all about 1 & 2. This gives the corporate cannabis companies the keys, and eliminates their competition.

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Got three teenagers middle school and up.

They are seeing middle schoolers vaping in the bathrooms and it is becoming a problem.

Marijuana is ****ing awful and smells worse than cigarette smoke and as far as second hand smoke is gives you headaches and *****

In areas where it is legalized and they do it in multiunit housing/apartments its ****ing awful for surrounding residents.

Used to think it wasn't a big deal because i really don't care if someone wants to fry their brain on pot, but after being exposed to the fact that potheads are inconsiderate AF about how and where and when they choose to light up has made me reconsider my position on that matter.

At least most smokers I know ask politely before lighting up.

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We should ban kids smoking underage. Oh wait.


If we banned everything that caused people to be rude, forum 16 would disappear overnight.


Being against THC legalization always boils down to NIMBYism.

johnnyblaze36 said:

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Tergdor said:

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txyaloo said:

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Tergdor said:

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txyaloo said:

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Tergdor said:

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From my recollection of a work meeting, this bill is more complex than it appears. The bill is simply banning the sale THC products and allowing CBD products to be sold. The bill is going to cut down significantly on drug enforcement and testing since labs won't have to test pens for CBD anymore.

THC pens were always illegal, shops just skirted around it every way they could. This is just closing the loophole and Patrick getting to virtue signal to his old friends that he banned weed again.

He should ban galaxy gas next.

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It also makes possession of THC illegal. So no importing from out of state. Better hope any CBD you buy is actually "THC free" which I don't think is possible.

What would also completely cut out drug testing bills? Legalizing marijuana. No need to test a legal substance.

They can't put the weed genie back in the bottle. The public enjoys the taste of freedom they've received from their political overlords. I have no issues banning smoking flower in public, but completely banning sale/possession of "vape shop" THC is ridiculous until CUP is updated/expanded.

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Possessing THC was always illegal, that's why carts/pens were tested in the first place. Across state lines is federally illegal.

You can get CBD isolates. They've been on the drug market for a long time.

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Except there's supposedly a difference between hemp derived products with THC content <whatever the legal percentage is and "illegal thc" both federally and in state law.

Guess I should have been more specific - the bill makes possession of items "that contain hemp or one or more hemp-derived cannabinoids" illegal which effectively bans all vape shop products which are currently legal

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Well, I went and read the bill. The bill doesn't touch anything that has to do with the regulation of low-THC hemp/cannabis in chapter 487, so I think those are still fine. It looks like the bill only focuses on manufactured and artificial products and how they're sold.

Here's the major changes I saw with a quick read through:

1. Smoke shops need to get a license to sell
2. Products have to be tested/approved before sale
3. Products can only have CBD and CBG
4. D-9 0.3% exception is gone
5. No synthetic cannabinoids allowed
6. No mixing with other drugs
7. No shops within 1000 feet of a school
8. Can't market to kids

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This shows just how little Dan Patrick either knows about his top 5 issue of all time or how much he's been paid off.

1) Why would a smoke shop need a license to sell something suddenly deemed illegal?
2) Tens of thousdans of products across all sectors aren't FDA approved (insert covid " safe vaccines")
3) They can have CBD but not THC. Why is that Dan? And could he even break down the difference?
4) D-9 <0.3% banned yet he told us these products are stronger than marijuana sold on the streets
5) So does he want purer products out in the market?
6) No mixing with other drugs like what? None of these products that I know of are.
7) As has already been stated, alcohol, cigs, vapes, etc within a football field fine but not D9.Makes sense.
8) They don't market to kids and there is a legal age limit to purchase these products and most stores even scan your ID as a measure of self policing LEGAL products!

I forget when this idiot's term is up but he once again makes the Republican party to look like complete imbeciles on behalf of himself as do the idiotic other Republicans that voted to go along with this bullsh.

One would think this guy is a Democrat he's that corrupt and ******ed.

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1. The license is to sell CBD/CBG, which this bill essentially makes legal.
2. It has nothing to do with the FDA. The products have to be submitted to a state lab to make sure it's actually what is being advertised.
3. THC makes you high. That's why.
4. Ok
5. Yes, he wants it to be pure CBD/CBG.
6. Mixed with nicotine, kratom, etc.
7. All of those are banned to sell within a football field too. The bill bans the sale.
8. Yes, they do. All addictive drug companies try to market to children. Juuls marketed to children, cigs used to until it was banned, vape pens and cartridges often do, and Galaxy Gas is the most obviously "marketed to kids" drug that exists right now even though you have to be 21 to buy it in Texas. They advertise to kids because are willingly supplying the secondary black market that takes place in schools and want to introduce it to them as early as possible so they become customers later. The bill specifies what it considers "marketing to children" and bans it.

THC is addictive - especially these high potency concentrates. The folks using the concentrates are going to have to move to illegal weed. Gotta love government making criminals out of law abiding citizens. Kind of reminds me of the OxyContin **** and people moving to street opiates, but not as disgusting.

You know it is someone like big pharma doing this. Same reason they banned GLP1 being mixed by high end pharmacies even if they are certified to do it. It always goes back to the money. Who is being undercut and how can our government protect their donations. Glucagon-like peptide-1 is literally made in your gut and is just an amino acid.... Don't want that if we can charge you $1000 for a special delivery system.

No different that charging crazy prices for for diabetes meds or even the stupid EpiPens that all the sudden became a grand each year. I'll never forget having to keep them after expiration for my daughter in case she had a reaction and hoping it would still work. Our country is full of Aholes.

On the flip side, I don't care about THC, but I agree that smoking weed in public should get you arrested. I don't want to smell your vape, your cigs, or your blunt. Don't tread on me and I won't tread on you and your gummies.

Tergdor said:

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txyaloo said:

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Tergdor said:

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txyaloo said:

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Tergdor said:

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From my recollection of a work meeting, this bill is more complex than it appears. The bill is simply banning the sale THC products and allowing CBD products to be sold. The bill is going to cut down significantly on drug enforcement and testing since labs won't have to test pens for CBD anymore.

THC pens were always illegal, shops just skirted around it every way they could. This is just closing the loophole and Patrick getting to virtue signal to his old friends that he banned weed again.

He should ban galaxy gas next.

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It also makes possession of THC illegal. So no importing from out of state. Better hope any CBD you buy is actually "THC free" which I don't think is possible.

What would also completely cut out drug testing bills? Legalizing marijuana. No need to test a legal substance.

They can't put the weed genie back in the bottle. The public enjoys the taste of freedom they've received from their political overlords. I have no issues banning smoking flower in public, but completely banning sale/possession of "vape shop" THC is ridiculous until CUP is updated/expanded.

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Possessing THC was always illegal, that's why carts/pens were tested in the first place. Across state lines is federally illegal.

You can get CBD isolates. They've been on the drug market for a long time.

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Except there's supposedly a difference between hemp derived products with THC content <whatever the legal percentage is and "illegal thc" both federally and in state law.

Guess I should have been more specific - the bill makes possession of items "that contain hemp or one or more hemp-derived cannabinoids" illegal which effectively bans all vape shop products which are currently legal

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Well, I went and read the bill. The bill doesn't touch anything that has to do with the regulation of low-THC hemp/cannabis in chapter 487, so I think those are still fine. It looks like the bill only focuses on manufactured and artificial products and how they're sold.

Here's the major changes I saw with a quick read through:

1. Smoke shops need to get a license to sell
2. Products have to be tested/approved before sale
3. Products can only have CBD and CBG
4. D-9 0.3% exception is gone
5. No synthetic cannabinoids allowed
6. No mixing with other drugs
7. No shops within 1000 feet of a school
8. Can't market to kids

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Did you go look at Chapter 487? That's the CUP program. These laws are more complicated than you're making it out to be.

So yes, SB3 100% bans sale or possession of products made from hemp that contains low levels of THC. As I said, that completely shuts down vape shop THC.

This is the definition of "low-thc cannabis" you're referring to. That's THC derived from cannabis not hemp which is what Patrick is trying to ban.

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Low-THC cannabis" means the plant Cannabis sativa L., and any part of that plant or any compound, manufacture, salt, derivative, mixture, preparation, resin, or oil of that plant that contains not more than one percent by weight of tetrahydrocannabinols.

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As someone stated earlier, this is an odd hill for the Republican party to die on. This will give people on the margin a reason to vote Democrat. The law is a prohibition measure wrapped up in a regulation. The registration should be valid, but they put huge costs to register. Something like 10K.

I will be on record saying I despise of Dan Patrick as he seems like he goes after hot button issues that no one really cares about, so he gets attention. He should be a little more DOGE and save us tax dollars. He rather be a heavy-handed legislator that will turn our state Blue if he is not careful.

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Dan might have failed in his suicide attempt back in 1986, but he successfully managed to kill the higher functions of his brain. Just a first class idiot in my book.

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I am not sure he had any before.

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I love how they put a map of schools and hemp shops together.

Now do a map with schools and gas stations or grocery stores. So stupid.

This will just pump more money into the cartels. People are going to smoke weed and eat gummies - because people, for as long as we have been on this earth, have always found something that makes them feel good. Alcohol, peyote, mushrooms, weed, heorin, opium...you name it. Tx lege is full of idiots.

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People are going to drive drunk. Does that mean we should legalize it?

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What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

And while we are on the subject - the current laws that ban sipping a beer while driving are dumb and the result is that they actually promote driving while impaired versus trying to eliminate it from the streets.

Everything - everything - government touches, it either absolutely F's it up or there are significant downstream issues that develop. Which, conveniently, require more government to fix. And the cycle continues.

FobTies said:

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Tergdor said:

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Here's the major changes I saw with a quick read through:

1. Smoke shops need to get a license to sell
2. Products have to be tested/approved before sale
3. Products can only have CBD and CBG
4. D-9 0.3% exception is gone
5. No synthetic cannabinoids allowed
6. No mixing with other drugs
7. No shops within 1000 feet of a school
8. Can't market to kids

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It's all about 1 & 2. This gives the corporate cannabis companies the keys, and eliminates their competition.

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It also injects government entities in the mix so they can come up with new ways to charge fees as well.

General Jack D. Ripper said:

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THC is addictive - especially these high potency concentrates. The folks using the concentrates are going to have to move to illegal weed. Gotta love government making criminals out of law abiding citizens. Kind of reminds me of the OxyContin **** and people moving to street opiates, but not as disgusting.

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It may be, but it isn't nearly as much as niccotine, alcohol or even sugar.

You could make the argument that pretty much anything and everything is addictive, doesn't matter what it is. If you like it or it makes you feel good, doesn't matter what it is - you ultimately want to do or use it. That's human nature.

Whatever...You can still just buy everything you can get at the store online and have it all shipped to your front door.

I may or may not have bought bud online and have at my doorstep in just a few days.

Ag_07 said:

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Whatever...You can still just buy everything you can get at the store online and have it all shipped to your front door.

I may or may not have bought bud online and have at my doorstep in just a few days.

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You think Patrick will allow that to continue?

If so, slow down on ingesting your purchases! LOL

Ag_07 said:

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Whatever...You can still just buy everything you can get at the store online and have it all shipped to your front door.

I may or may not have bought bud online and have at my doorstep in just a few days.

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You won't be able to once this bill passes. It bans sale and possession of ALL hemp based THC which is what you're ordering online unless you're doing dark web stuff or have a dealer connect.

All the "dispensaries" in Texas are selling hemp based product.

Out of state vendors aren't going to risk shipping hemp based THC to the state if the law passes. I've had multiple out of state online stores tell me this.

schmellba99 said:

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General Jack D. Ripper said:

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THC is addictive - especially these high potency concentrates. The folks using the concentrates are going to have to move to illegal weed. Gotta love government making criminals out of law abiding citizens. Kind of reminds me of the OxyContin **** and people moving to street opiates, but not as disgusting.

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It may be, but it isn't nearly as much as niccotine, alcohol or even sugar.

You could make the argument that pretty much anything and everything is addictive, doesn't matter what it is. If you like it or it makes you feel good, doesn't matter what it is - you ultimately want to do or use it. That's human nature.

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There are thousands of users on r/leaves that would dispute that.

You can always road trip to CoMo. I recommend Shang RI LA on Peachtree

Nice variety.

Can be there in 11 hours from Dallas