TX Legislature will ban THC stores before they leave says Lt Gov Patrick

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In reply to samurai_science • 11:16a, 5/22/25
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doubledog said:
Don't ban THC stores TAX them!
That will just make more criminals, similar to banning them.
This is just a dumb mentality

No its how the black market works, when you tax something, or criminalize it.......black market takes over.
I'm sure it does in some manner.

But the black market for alcohol and tobacco is pretty small compared to the black market for weed. Because you really don't need much of a black market for alcohol and tobacco since it's legal and you can go to any corner store and pick up a 12 pack or a pack of Marlboro's. In fact, outside of buying beer from somebody at an inflated price before I was 21, I cannot think of a single time in my entire life that I sourced alcohol or tobacco from the black market. Because it would have been much more difficult to do so versus driving to Bucees and buying it like a normal person.

You create black markets by outlawing things. Prohibition proved that in spades with alcohol. The absolute stupid mentality by the government towards weed does nothing but keep illegal manufacture, transport and use at an all time high. Without the benefit of the tax revenue that the government would get. Really smart logic they have.
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In reply to schmellba99 • 11:20a, 5/22/25
I used to drive to LA to get Yuengling and bring it back if that counts!
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11:21a, 5/22/25
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Nanny staters.
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In reply to Gaeilge • 11:23a, 5/22/25
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I used to drive to LA to get Yuengling and bring it back if that counts!
Used to stock up on dip in LA back in the day. Logs of Copenhagen were dirt cheap. Now the prices seem more in line with Texas, so not worth the trip (and I was able to quit haha).
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11:37a, 5/22/25
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**** Danny Goeb
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11:39a, 5/22/25
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Dan Patrick is ANTI business. Why have his Republican minions lost their way.

Drug dealers for sure happy today!
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11:44a, 5/22/25
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**** like this is what will eventually push Texas purple or even blue
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In reply to Gaeilge • 11:47a, 5/22/25
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Gaeilge said:
I used to drive to LA to get Yuengling and bring it back if that counts!
Luckily New Mexico and Colorado are a lot closer.
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dude looks like Rosie O'Donnell.

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In reply to txyaloo • 12:09p, 5/22/25
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There's some synthetic, but most of it is still natural and D9 THC or THCa.
Everything in smoke shops is synthetic. Even the THCa "flower" the "dispensaries" sell.

There's no other way to extract the cannabinoids from hemp other than using chemicals. That THCa flower stores sell is typically hemp with THCa dust sprinkled on it.

The legal stuff is so expensive it's not worth touching. I just wonder how much they paid to Patrick's pockets to increase their monopoly. Considering the House stripped out the CUP enhancements, I suspect it was a lot.


Just FYI, you are mistaken about THCa. A natural cannabis plant growing in the wild has THCa, and if you look at the legal dispensary label…the flower is mostly THCa, which is non-psychoactive. When you apply heat to THCa (via smoking, cooking or vaping), decarboxylation occurs and it converts to THC. That's why you can't get high by just eating weed.

TLDR; THCA is just regular cannabis
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12:14p, 5/22/25
Texas was the 38th state to legalize open carry. You know, Texas, the big "gun state".

This place is not as freedom loving and independent as we talk it up to be.
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In reply to Gaeilge • 12:20p, 5/22/25
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Gaeilge said:
I used to drive to LA to get Yuengling and bring it back if that counts!
Which wasn't illegal.
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In reply to Gig em G • 12:21p, 5/22/25
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Gig em G said:
txyaloo said:
Lathspell said:
There's some synthetic, but most of it is still natural and D9 THC or THCa.
Everything in smoke shops is synthetic. Even the THCa "flower" the "dispensaries" sell.

There's no other way to extract the cannabinoids from hemp other than using chemicals. That THCa flower stores sell is typically hemp with THCa dust sprinkled on it.

The legal stuff is so expensive it's not worth touching. I just wonder how much they paid to Patrick's pockets to increase their monopoly. Considering the House stripped out the CUP enhancements, I suspect it was a lot.


Just FYI, you are mistaken about THCa. A natural cannabis plant growing in the wild has THCa, and if you look at the legal dispensary label…the flower is mostly THCa. When you apply heat to THCa (via smoking, cooking or vaping), decarboxylation occurs and it converts to THC. That's why if you can't get high by just eating weed.

TLDR; THCA is just regular cannabis
Just FYI, I'm not mistaken.

The THCa has to be extracted from the hemp. It isn't just the sticky icky goo the plant expels. The manufacturers of vape shop weed use chemicals like butane to do the extraction. I consider that "synthetic". You aren't just smoking a plant growing out of the ground.

https://www.rootsciences.com/blog/thca-distillate-exploring-cannabis-distillation-extraction/

I don't care either way. Let people make their own decisions, but if someone is arguing THCa sold at vape shops is "natural", it's pretty obvious they're uninformed about what they're consuming.

I use a lot of THCa concentrates. You can definitely "taste" the chemicals in some products more than others
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In reply to samurai_science • 12:22p, 5/22/25
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doubledog said:
Don't ban THC stores TAX them!
That will just make more criminals, similar to banning them.
Depends, gotta find a modest sweet spot imo. People aren't buying bootlegged cigarettes or alcohol because there is a tax on them...but they would if it was a painful one.

Some of these liberal states are taxing 30+% on cannabis products. That is insane and definitely keeps the underground market thriving. I feel like sales and tax revenue would go through the roof if it was pretty much anywhere between 12% or less.

The middle and lower income locals out there aren't buying it from the dispensaries. It's laregly white collared people and tourists.
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In reply to CW Griswold • 12:22p, 5/22/25
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CW Griswold said:
Texas was the 38th state to legalize open carry. You know, Texas, the big "gun state".

This place is not as freedom loving and independent as we talk it up to be.
Nope, never has been.

The biggest problem with Texas is that the overwhelming majority of people in Texas never leave Texas, so how things are done here are the only thing they ever know and it never occurs to them that there might just be better ways of doing business.
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In reply to schmellba99 • 12:25p, 5/22/25
schmellba99 said:
Gaeilge said:
I used to drive to LA to get Yuengling and bring it back if that counts!
Which wasn't illegal.
It is when I was doing it with 15-20 cases. Limit is 24 12oz cans
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12:31p, 5/22/25
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Texas' brand of GOP sucks ass. At least we got a crappy voucher bill, right?
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In reply to BBRex • 12:34p, 5/22/25
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Texas' brand of GOP sucks ass. At least we got a crappy voucher bill, right?


I could see this being a windfall for dems. DP and his fellow RINOs just pissed off half the state.
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12:34p, 5/22/25
I use low dose THC to help with chronic pain so that I don't have to use the addictive pharmaceuticals that the Dr would otherwise have me taking. It was nice to be able to purchase it from respectable, legal storefronts and contribute to local businesses instead of via other means.

News flash Danny. Your law means all of jack squat to me and a whole lot of people like me. You've accomplished nothing except to funnel $$$ to other states and people/organizations in the black market. Congratulations dumbass. I know you're aware of this and DGAF because all you're after is a cheap political victory you can tout while everyone rolls their eyes. I wish Texans had the balls to primary this jackass and elect an actual, sensible conservative instead of a nanny state ideologue.
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In reply to Gaeilge • 12:34p, 5/22/25
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Gaeilge said:
schmellba99 said:
Gaeilge said:
I used to drive to LA to get Yuengling and bring it back if that counts!
Which wasn't illegal.
It is when I was doing it with 15-20 cases. Limit is 24 12oz cans
Well, guess I'll just call you the Snowman.

My point still stands though - it wasn't illegal for you to buy the Yuengling. You paid taxes on it as well. Yeungling paid taxes on it when they made it as well. Apparently the only illegal thing was you transporting more than the arbitrary allotment, and it was only illegal during the transport. Once you got to your house, goes back to being perfectly legal for you to possess and partake in to your heart's desire.
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In reply to txyaloo • 12:36p, 5/22/25
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txyaloo said:
Gig em G said:
txyaloo said:
Lathspell said:
There's some synthetic, but most of it is still natural and D9 THC or THCa.
Everything in smoke shops is synthetic. Even the THCa "flower" the "dispensaries" sell.

There's no other way to extract the cannabinoids from hemp other than using chemicals. That THCa flower stores sell is typically hemp with THCa dust sprinkled on it.

The legal stuff is so expensive it's not worth touching. I just wonder how much they paid to Patrick's pockets to increase their monopoly. Considering the House stripped out the CUP enhancements, I suspect it was a lot.


Just FYI, you are mistaken about THCa. A natural cannabis plant growing in the wild has THCa, and if you look at the legal dispensary label…the flower is mostly THCa. When you apply heat to THCa (via smoking, cooking or vaping), decarboxylation occurs and it converts to THC. That's why if you can't get high by just eating weed.

TLDR; THCA is just regular cannabis
Just FYI, I'm not mistaken.

The THCa has to be extracted from the hemp. It isn't just the sticky icky goo the plant expels. The manufacturers of vape shop weed use chemicals like butane to do the extraction. I consider that "synthetic". You aren't just smoking a plant growing out of the ground.

https://www.rootsciences.com/blog/thca-distillate-exploring-cannabis-distillation-extraction/

I don't care either way. Let people make their own decisions, but if someone is arguing THCa sold at vape shops is "natural", it's pretty obvious they're uninformed about what they're consuming.

I use a lot of THCa concentrates. You can definitely "taste" the chemicals in some products more than others


You said "THCa flower stores sell is typically hemp with THCa dust sprinkled on it." That is incorrect. It's a natural compound and normal legal weed flower has THCa. Just like any of the other cannabinoids in the plant. The process of how people make concentrates or distillates with them is another story.
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12:40p, 5/22/25
Our state really just loves pushing $ to other states and cartels.

This will likely make it more difficult to keep the state red. Thanks guys.
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12:44p, 5/22/25
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Even though I cannot partake because I want to keep my job, I want to say again:

**** DAN PATRICK!!
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12:46p, 5/22/25
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So much for small government
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In reply to Gig em G • 12:52p, 5/22/25
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You said "THCa flower stores sell is typically hemp with THCa dust sprinkled on it." That is incorrect. It's a natural compound and normal legal weed flower has THCa. Just like any of the other cannabinoids in the plant. The process of how people make concentrates or distillates with them is another story.
The "flower" you can buy in Texas is sort of reconstituted as mentioned above.

They grow the hemp that is less than 0.3% THC (delta-9 specifically) then the hemp is processed to concentrate the good chems that are then put into the edibles, vapes and yes back on the flower.

And its created a ****ing mess of Texas. I would NOT buy any CBD or THC products made and sold in Texas. You are asking for an out of this world high or nothing at all with no certainty of which it will be.

Again, I would like it to be federally legal, able to sell & transport across state lines, and reputable products sold that provide consistency in the high you obtain from your ingestion method of choice and chemical composition of choice.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/texas-legalized-marijuana-thc-delta-9/
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The Farm Bill passed by Congress in 2018 says that if a cannabis plant is less than 0.3 percent delta-9 THC, it is hemp and not subject to the federal Controlled Substances Act. Any THC in excess of that makes it marijuana. Texas adopted these definitions into state law in 2019, making hemp legal in the state. White Wok's concentration of delta-9 THC tested at 1.48 percent, or nearly five times the legal limit. This wasn't just cookie dough. It was a fully baked cookie. And the delta-9 THC was just the tip of the psychoactive iceberg.


The strain also contained 48.3 percent THCa. The hemp industry argues that according to the letter of the law, the THCa level doesn't matter. Any plant with less than 0.3 percent THC is hemp. The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration disagrees. In May the federal agency clarified its position that THCa must also be under the 0.3 percent legal limit. My White Wok contained 150 times that much.

"This is not a regular cannabis flower," said Sarah Otis, director of quality assurance for Anresco Laboratories, in San Francisco, which Texas Monthly paid to assay the purchased samples. Naturally occurring cannabis doesn't approach those levels of THC, she said. She suspected it was a bud genetically selected to produce high THC and then infused with hash oila cannabis extractor additional THC. Asked to describe its potency, she said, "The word I would use is 'egregious.' "

Otis said that if this strain was being sold openly in Texas, it wasn't being accurately tested. There was no way a plant that tested at legal THC levels at a manufacturing facility could test weeks later at 1.48 percent. And if the THC level isn't being tested properly, she said, it's difficult to trust that it has been tested for pesticides, heavy metals, or molds such as aspergillus.
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In reply to Gig em G • 1:00p, 5/22/25
guess it depends on your definition of "synthetic", similar to what "addictive" means to the do-gooders.

the legal stuff is so much more powerful than what i had just 10-15 years ago, which was so much more powerful than what was had 10-15 years prior to that, and well...you see a trend.

conventional farming practices aren't responsible for that increase in potency. I can crossbreed my peaches 6 ways from sunday but at the end of the day, the still taste like peaches did 50 years ago.
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Serious Lee said:
guess it depends on your definition of "synthetic", similar to what "addictive" means to the do-gooders.

the legal stuff is so much more powerful than what i had just 10-15 years ago, which was so much more powerful than what was had 10-15 years prior to that, and well...you see a trend.

conventional farming practices aren't responsible for that increase in potency. I can crossbreed my peaches 6 ways from sunday but at the end of the day, the still taste like peaches did 50 years ago.
This is not true at all. Cannabis comes in all sorts of potencies naturally from mother nature. Much of the higher potency can be traced to a couple of adventurous hombres who sort of scoured the world for the higher potency and brought their good vibes home in some seeds from of all places Afghanistan.

But the super high potency stuff is found in the edibles, vapes and one of my personal faves... a flower joint enhanced with some tincture that will set you right with Jesus.
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I need to know more about the Jesus.
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I need to know more about the Jesus.
Pretty well known the 4th wise man was loaded with the chronic to help Mary with the post-partum.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 1:28p, 5/22/25
ive plenty of experience myself. Even with the Spice (K2) stuff that was previously mentioned. not proud of that. JWH-018 was the original compound that it was laced with, named after professor John W. Huffman at clemson university. Thats a whole nother subject. Synthetic though as the sky is blue.

Some of the legal "flower" blends that i tried a while back gave a sensation that was eerily reminiscent of Johns laboratory creation. Certainly nothing like the $50 an eighth hydro that I was smoking everyday in my youth.

The poster that mentioned inconsistency is probably right on the mark, which is maybe why you believe that BS afghani story. still safer than fentanyl though.
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Serious Lee said:
ive plenty of experience myself. Even with the Spice (K2) stuff that was previously mentioned. not proud of that. JWH-018 was the original compound that it was laced with, named after professor John W. Huffman at clemson university. Thats a whole nother subject. Synthetic though as the sky is blue.

Some of the legal "flower" blends that i tried a while back gave a sensation that was eerily reminiscent of Johns laboratory creation. Certainly nothing like the $50 an eighth hydro that I was smoking everyday in my youth.

The poster that mentioned inconsistency is probably right on the mark, which is maybe why you believe that BS afghani story. still safer than fentanyl though.
Unless someone else mentioned, I linked the Texas Monthly article on the problems with the Texas strip mall weed palaces.

Potency of strains from naturally grown crops was highly varied since ancient times. As with any of the farming advances, potency was selected and bred resulting in high potency strains, This took off in the late 1990s and early aughts with DNA manipulation.

And the final, exponential increase with the use of chemical refinement primarily found in the vapes, tinctures and concentrates.

Not sure how much history on this you have read or watched, but the afghan connection his well known regarding the history of weed in the US since the late 1970s up until the beginnings of legalization.
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2:14p, 5/22/25
well aware of the afghan story. and harry anslinger. and randolph hearst. i saw all those pothead documentaries back in the day. im a farmer; and it no more explains the gradual increase in potency than the big bang theory does evolution. we're on the same side of the legalization issue though so it really doesnt matter. ill probly even send a snarky message to patrick soon as i get some contact info.
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2:20p, 5/22/25
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Such an easy win for conservatives to legalize. They are their own worst enemies.
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Serious Lee said:
well aware of the afghan story. and harry anslinger. and randolph hearst. i saw all those pothead documentaries back in the day. im a farmer; and it no more explains the gradual increase in potency than the big bang theory does evolution. we're on the same side of the legalization issue though so it really doesnt matter. ill probly even send a snarky message to patrick soon as i get some contact info.


Amen.

Texas is taking a heavy handed response to clean up their own ****eduppedness. The Abbot, Paxton, Patrick trilogy need to take a trip on Patsy Cline airlines with John Sharp as their guide.

Just my humble opinion of course.
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2:36p, 5/22/25
Oh man, that dangerous THC, phew, thank you nanny state for holding my hand and redirecting my ways.

Guess I'll go back to being an alcoholic and prescription pill addict like my dad. Ended well for him!

Ignorant ****s, all of them.
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