******* 2020-2021 San Antonio Spurs ********

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Down by 5, 13 seconds to go
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I'm glad we kept DeMar and Rudy, playing them big minutes to carry us to another late lottery pick while preventing our young guys from getting playing time and maybe actually getting a good shot at a top 4 pick. I don't want to hear about them helping our young guys develop. Neither are winners.
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Another pathetic season


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I dont fault any organization for trying to win. That tanking BS is for other teams. Spurs have a lot of good pieces. They need something special to happen with this next draft. Maybe a Kawhi or Mitchell falls to them.

Johnson, Vassell and Samanic need a full offseason to develop. Realize none of these guys have had one yet.
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Wellp. Off-season thread exist yet?
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Those aren't going to be easy to come by. The rest of the league's front offices have closed the gap, if not surpassed the Spurs scouting/drafting in recent years.
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Get rid of derozan, world class choke artist
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Enzo The Baker said:

Those aren't going to be easy to come by. The rest of the league's front offices have closed the gap, if not surpassed the Spurs scouting/drafting in recent years.


Seriously? Nobody has this figured out. Thats why there is hope because you just have to get lucky. The guy who killed us tonight was a 2nd round pick.
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Think about this. Minnesota traded Wiggins plus a 1st to GSW for D'Angelo Russell.

Spurs need to seek out trades with Minnesota
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Enzo The Baker said:

I'm glad we kept DeMar and Rudy, playing them big minutes to carry us to another late lottery pick while preventing our young guys from getting playing time and maybe actually getting a good shot at a top 4 pick. I don't want to hear about them helping our young guys develop. Neither are winners.
Interestingly, the 2013 Toronto Raptors paired Gay and DeRozan together as Gay was traded there in January of 2013 and traded away in December of 2013, probably when they saw the two couldn't play together.

So that Raptors team went 18-18 for remainder of 2012-13 season after acquiring Gay and 6-12 to start next season before trading Gay. 24-30 overall. Or 6 games under .500



Last year: the Spurs finished 7 games under .500 (32-39)

This year: the Spurs finished 6 games under .500 (33-39)



(I could put down the 2018-19 season when the Spurs finished 48-34, but that doesn't exactly help the post. Unless you add up all 4 of those time spans, and their record together is 137-142, unless you count tonight's game, which would put them at 137-143, or 6 games under .500)
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To be fair, Gay has fully embraced a bench role. He's not a primary piece anymore. And in that bench role he can be very valuable. Derozan on the other hand, is very talented but his style of play seems to bog down the offense. And he's a whiner, which I hate.
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Pop, Patty, DePression, Brian Wright, all should be gone.

Which means all will be back.
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Dumb
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AG 2000' said:

Pop, Patty, DePression, Brian Wright, all should be gone.

Which means all will be back.


Yes and Lonnie can finally start
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Ag Natural said:

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Which part?

DeRozan 5/21 tonight, reitertating he's a playoff choke artist. You can't pay that guy $30 million a year when you know he's gonna fold when it matters.

I guess Patty can come back for the vet minimum but we all know Pop will play him too much.

Brian Wright - front office has been a wreck since he got here. Majority of league FOs have passed us by under his oversight. He has been a disaster everywhere he's been, nothing but a diversity hire for Pop.

As for Pop, the game has passed him by. Still treating the young guys like crap, still over relying on his vets, still can't adjust.

Dieng held his own tonight against Valenciunas, so what do we do in the fourth? Trot Poetl back out to get abused down low and used as a turnstyle by the Memphis wings.

Pop needs to hang it up, move out to CA and hang out in Napa with his buddy Kerr 24-7.

Him and Wright went out and built a roster with very few shooters and then decided to start as many of guys who can't shoot as possible. Then to make matters worse, Pop ran a scheme that deemphasized the three ball when it's at the heart of the game in the NBA these days.

Mid-range chuckers delight is a losing system, has been for years, and the senile old fool is too dumb to recognize it. Too busy saying what matters is kulture and korporate knowledge while the league dances on his head.
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This has been a tough season but this is my take. I honestly think the young players that are on the team have the talent to contend for a championship but there is one big piece that we are missing, al true floor leader. Tim, Tony and Manu were true leaders. Why do these young players play well against the good teams but lose to lesser teams? They need a floor leader. Demar is not a leader. Neither was Lamarcus. In my opinion, Patty is as close to a real leader that the Spurs have but it is hard to be the real leader coming off the bench. I think Dejounte and Derrick have potential but they aren't there yet.

Sometimes those floor leaders aren't the most likeable guys, but they win. Chris Paul is a leader, Jimmy Butler in Miami. Isaiah Thomas was in Detroit. I think Toronto won a championship as much because of Kyle Lowry as Kawhi. Kawhi had the talent but Kyle had the leadership. Why did the Clippers trade for Rondo? He's a leader on the floor. George and Kawhi aren't.

I don't know where they can find one but if they could it would be worth a trade.

Anyway, it's a slow day and that is my 2 cents.
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AG 2000' said:

Ag Natural said:

Dumb
Which part?

DeRozan 5/21 tonight, reitertating he's a playoff choke artist. You can't pay that guy $30 million a year when you know he's gonna fold when it matters.

I guess Patty can come back for the vet minimum but we all know Pop will play him too much.

Brian Wright - front office has been a wreck since he got here. Majority of league FOs have passed us by under his oversight. He has been a disaster everywhere he's been, nothing but a diversity hire for Pop.

As for Pop, the game has passed him by. Still treating the young guys like crap, still over relying on his vets, still can't adjust.

Dieng held his own tonight against Valenciunas, so what do we do in the fourth? Trot Poetl back out to get abused down low and used as a turnstyle by the Memphis wings.

Pop needs to hang it up, move out to CA and hang out in Napa with his buddy Kerr 24-7.

Him and Wright went out and built a roster with very few shooters and then decided to start as many of guys who can't shoot as possible. Then to make matters worse, Pop ran a scheme that deemphasized the three ball when it's at the heart of the game in the NBA these days.

Mid-range chuckers delight is a losing system, has been for years, and the senile old fool is too dumb to recognize it. Too busy saying what matters is kulture and korporate knowledge while the league dances on his head.
The parts about Pop and Wright getting booted are dumb.

Look, it's difficult to build a winning team in this league. The only avenue for a small market team is through the draft. That's why the Spurs never trade their picks. You can argue that the picks they've made have been the wrong ones. But It's still so early in all these guys career. This was literally the youngest team Pop ever had. Young teams don't win. These young guys will become better shooters. It's pretty clear to me that the strategy these last two years was to get better defensively. They let Bertans, Forbes and Belinelli go and drafted Johnson and Vassell. Peoltl was inserted over LMA. The strategy is clear. Pop isn't discouraging guys to shoot. He just needs these young guys to develop. A real offseason should help.

The biggest issue IMO has been Derozen. Pop lets his guys play to their strengths. Unfortunately, DD is solid but not reliable. He also isn't a great defender and the leader of this team will need to be. I don't think he should be resigned unless it's a sign and trade. It will be real interesting to see who wants him.
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If the Spurs re-sign DeRozan it's going to be hard for me to continue watching tbh.

Saying that, I don't even think DeRozan wants to come back in the first place so I think he'll leave on his own accord anyway. Shows the state of the franchise tbh.

I'm expecting Pop back to chase the wins record, but I hope he hangs it up. He's the GOAT but the Spurs gotta move on. Spurs need to bring in new front office blood as well.
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Here's the problem. The Spurs decided that they had to get value back for Kawhi, and the best they could do was DeRozan. But that trade also lost Danny Green. That tipped the balance from guys who value defense and offensive efficiency to guys who love taking crap midrange shots. DeRozan, Aldridge, and Gay is a lot of star power because they are all really talented with long NBA careers (playing losing basketball) and that's hard for rookies to overcome. Unless you get a Jordan, none of them are going to tell DeRozan to stop playing dumb basketball when it counts.

Smart teams love playing against DeRozan because he has loose handles, so against tough defenses he is pretty likely to turn the ball over before he even takes the bad shot.

So now the Spurs have a ton of good third- and fourth-best players because they are still pretty good at drafting, but they don't have anyone who should legitimately be the best or second best player on a contender. Which is another way of saying that they are stuck in the NBA purgatory of mediocre draft picks.

Pop is really good, but the NBA is a player's league. So here we are praying for a miracle with no particular reason to expect one.

The hard thing is passing on the best talent available to get a winning basketball player instead. The hard thing is cutting bait on Aldridge before the whole league figures out that he lost his fastball. The hard thing is doing what it takes to keep Danny Green because a good three and D wing is critical to winning basketball in this era.
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I think the jury is still out on several of these young guys. 20-22 year olds aren't fully developed.
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Ag Natural said:

I think the jury is still out on several of these young guys. 20-22 year olds aren't fully developed.

To some extent I agree, but usually if someone is a future number one option it's obvious pretty early. I don't really see it with any of these guys.
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It's pretty much all luck on how your Evals turn out in the draft. If you're not one of the glamour markets you gotta rely on drafting a superstar. The Spurs best chance is drafting the next Kawhi, Giannis, Jokic, Sabonis, etc.
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Ulrich said:

Ag Natural said:

I think the jury is still out on several of these young guys. 20-22 year olds aren't fully developed.

To some extent I agree, but usually if someone is a future number one option it's obvious pretty early. I don't really see it with any of these guys.


Well you said they are all 3rd and 4th options. Yeah there probably isn't a 1st team all NBA player on the roster but a couple of guys with the potential to be borderline all star.
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The Spurs should actively be trying to S&T DeRozan this summer. I have zero confidence in our front office pulling a move off like that but that's what they should be doing. Personally, I would even try to attach Murray to DeRozan in a S&T. I think Murray still has value and I personally am not sold on him being the PG of the future. Maybe a team like Detroit, Orlando, or Cleveland is interested and the Spurs could move into the top 5 of the draft can get Suggs or Mobley lol.
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Ulrich said:

Here's the problem. The Spurs decided that they had to get value back for Kawhi, and the best they could do was DeRozan. But that trade also lost Danny Green.
Sacramento offered the #2 overall pick for Leonard. The Spurs could have made that deal and drafted Doncic. Plus, Leonard would have never rang. For a team that loves euro's, the sure did miss out on that one.
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Also, the Spurs and Hornets tied and do a coin flip to determine who gets the #11.

It's actually a pretty big coin flip as the winner of that coin flip has a 9.4% chance to land a Top 4 pick while the odds for the loser of the coin flip drops to 2%. If you remember in 2019 the Lakers were at #11 and landed the #4 pick in the lottery. The Spurs definitely need some of that luck!
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Ag Natural said:

Ulrich said:

Ag Natural said:

I think the jury is still out on several of these young guys. 20-22 year olds aren't fully developed.

To some extent I agree, but usually if someone is a future number one option it's obvious pretty early. I don't really see it with any of these guys.


Well you said they are all 3rd and 4th options. Yeah there probably isn't a 1st team all NBA player on the roster but a couple of guys with the potential to be borderline all star.

On a contender, the third and fourth best players often ARE all stars.

It's pretty easy to imagine White or Johnson putting up some really productive, efficient seasons that get them in the all star discussion if they are playing with a star who elevates the whole team. It's also easy to imagine them putting up productive, inefficient seasons if they end up as the 1/2 of a cruddy lottery team.

What is hard to imagine is a team led by White/Johnson being anything more than a scrappy first-round exit.
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Is that confirmed? I always heard the best offer other than Toronto's was from the Lakers which was Lonzo, Kuzma, and a few picks.
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Ulrich said:

Ag Natural said:

Ulrich said:

Ag Natural said:

I think the jury is still out on several of these young guys. 20-22 year olds aren't fully developed.

To some extent I agree, but usually if someone is a future number one option it's obvious pretty early. I don't really see it with any of these guys.


Well you said they are all 3rd and 4th options. Yeah there probably isn't a 1st team all NBA player on the roster but a couple of guys with the potential to be borderline all star.

On a contender, the third and fourth best players often ARE all stars.

It's pretty easy to imagine White or Johnson putting up some really productive, efficient seasons that get them in the all star discussion if they are playing with a star who elevates the whole team. It's also easy to imagine them putting up productive, inefficient seasons if they end up as the 1/2 of a cruddy lottery team.

What is hard to imagine is a team led by White/Johnson being anything more than a scrappy first-round exit.


Neither of those guys are all stars
Shoukd have blown it up last year
No fans, Pop is over the hill
Might as well play the lottery
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MookieBlaylock said:

Ulrich said:

Ag Natural said:

Ulrich said:

Ag Natural said:

I think the jury is still out on several of these young guys. 20-22 year olds aren't fully developed.

To some extent I agree, but usually if someone is a future number one option it's obvious pretty early. I don't really see it with any of these guys.


Well you said they are all 3rd and 4th options. Yeah there probably isn't a 1st team all NBA player on the roster but a couple of guys with the potential to be borderline all star.

On a contender, the third and fourth best players often ARE all stars.

It's pretty easy to imagine White or Johnson putting up some really productive, efficient seasons that get them in the all star discussion if they are playing with a star who elevates the whole team. It's also easy to imagine them putting up productive, inefficient seasons if they end up as the 1/2 of a cruddy lottery team.

What is hard to imagine is a team led by White/Johnson being anything more than a scrappy first-round exit.


Neither of those guys are all stars
Shoukd have blown it up last year
No fans, Pop is over the hill
Might as well play the lottery

Lonnie Walker future HOF, book it.
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Ulrich said:

MookieBlaylock said:

Ulrich said:

Ag Natural said:

Ulrich said:

Ag Natural said:

I think the jury is still out on several of these young guys. 20-22 year olds aren't fully developed.

To some extent I agree, but usually if someone is a future number one option it's obvious pretty early. I don't really see it with any of these guys.


Well you said they are all 3rd and 4th options. Yeah there probably isn't a 1st team all NBA player on the roster but a couple of guys with the potential to be borderline all star.

On a contender, the third and fourth best players often ARE all stars.

It's pretty easy to imagine White or Johnson putting up some really productive, efficient seasons that get them in the all star discussion if they are playing with a star who elevates the whole team. It's also easy to imagine them putting up productive, inefficient seasons if they end up as the 1/2 of a cruddy lottery team.

What is hard to imagine is a team led by White/Johnson being anything more than a scrappy first-round exit.


Neither of those guys are all stars
Shoukd have blown it up last year
No fans, Pop is over the hill
Might as well play the lottery

Lonnie Walker future HOF, book it.


Lets not rush things he just needs more time to develop
Its not like players can be good and succeed in the league after only 3 years
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Bryan Forbes five 3s and 19 points in the first half.
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Can't catch a break.
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We can't have nice things
 
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