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Enzo The Baker said:Guitarsoup said:
I would rather have Jrue, but I think DD is a better fit, since Jrue likes to work with the ball so much.
And hopefully NOLA would do Jrue right by sending him to a contender. With the Harden BK development, that's likely a big suitor off the board.
I'm just still sad we couldn't get that lakers deal NOLA got for Davis when we traded the nephew
Teams really used his 'injury' and one and done excuse as leverage. Really hurt us.
Who is worth trading up for? I have read nothing but this draft is trash and anyone in the top 15 could end up being the best player.
Yeah supposedly the Warriors are looking to get out of the tax. I don't see this trade happening unless the Spurs are willing to take Wiggens (I hope not).
However, it is somewhat risky to add a highly picked rookie to a veteran team like that. Chances are he wouldn't be ready to help them win playoff games and will struggle to get on the floor unless he's unusually mature for his age. I go all the way back to Darko. When he was selected by the Pistons #2 overall there could not have been a worse place for him. They were just in the finals and the expectations was to get back there. He's considered a draft bust but in reality he was a development bust. Veteran teams ready to win aren't going to cater to the needs of a 19 year old.
However, it is somewhat risky to add a highly picked rookie to a veteran team like that. Chances are he wouldn't be ready to help them win playoff games and will struggle to get on the floor unless he's unusually mature for his age. I go all the way back to Darko. When he was selected by the Pistons #2 overall there could not have been a worse place for him. They were just in the finals and the expectations was to get back there. He's considered a draft bust but in reality he was a development bust. Veteran teams ready to win aren't going to cater to the needs of a 19 year old.
I think most drafts are a crapshoot in general. Look at 2017.Ag Natural said:
Who is worth trading up for? I have read nothing but this draft is trash and anyone in the top 15 could end up being the best player.
Fultz was a huge bust
Lonzo is decent, but doesn't look like he will be an all-star.
Tatum is great
Jackson was a huge bust
DFox is great
Issac is developing.
Lauri is putting up 15-18points on 20 win teams.
Frank N is trash
Dennis Smith is a disappointment
Zach Collins isn't good
That's the top ten.
It's a lot harder to rebuild a team without good draft picks. Really hard to do if you are just picking 10+.
Right but i could then provide Rondo as a counter example. The Celtics won 67 games+title in Rajon's second year as the starting PG. Hell, the spurs w/Timmy too!Ag Natural said:
Yeah supposedly the Warriors are looking to get out of the tax. I don't see this trade happening unless the Spurs are willing to take Wiggens (I hope not).
However, it is somewhat risky to add a highly picked rookie to a veteran team like that. Chances are he wouldn't be ready to help them win playoff games and will struggle to get on the floor unless he's unusually mature for his age. I go all the way back to Darko. When he was selected by the Pistons #2 overall there could not have been a worse place for him. They were just in the finals and the expectations was to get back there. He's considered a draft bust but in reality he was a development bust. Veteran teams ready to win aren't going to cater to the needs of a 19 year old.
The Warriors wouldn't need Wiseman to do really anything more than provide quality backup minutes and who knows, could be Draymond's heir apparent in 2-3 years. Anything more than that would be gravy.
Plus, if there's any team culture that could nurture a young player while also competing for titles, I think the Warriors owuld have to be at the top of my list.
#11 and LMA for Wiggins and #2 saves the Warriors 9-10mm. They are 16mm into the luxury tax before you count the #2 pick salary (about 7.5mm.)Ag Natural said:
Yeah supposedly the Warriors are looking to get out of the tax. I don't see this trade happening unless the Spurs are willing to take Wiggens (I hope not).
However, it is somewhat risky to add a highly picked rookie to a veteran team like that. Chances are he wouldn't be ready to help them win playoff games and will struggle to get on the floor unless he's unusually mature for his age. I go all the way back to Darko. When he was selected by the Pistons #2 overall there could not have been a worse place for him. They were just in the finals and the expectations was to get back there. He's considered a draft bust but in reality he was a development bust. Veteran teams ready to win aren't going to cater to the needs of a 19 year old.
The repeater tax on $23mm is about $80mm. Cut $9mm in salary off and the tax is just $40mm. Plus the 9mm saved. So it saves them $50,000,000 to do that deal of LMA+11 for #2+Wiggins.
Yeah it makes a lot of sense for GSW. They save money and add a top 10 big man to the mix. That team would be pretty nasty. I just don't like Wiggins for the Spurs. He's way over paid and not that impressive IMO. Unless Pop is in love with the guy at #2, there is no way I do that.Guitarsoup said:#11 and LMA for Wiggins and #2 saves the Warriors 9-10mm. They are 16mm into the luxury tax before you count the #2 pick salary (about 7.5mm.)Ag Natural said:
Yeah supposedly the Warriors are looking to get out of the tax. I don't see this trade happening unless the Spurs are willing to take Wiggens (I hope not).
However, it is somewhat risky to add a highly picked rookie to a veteran team like that. Chances are he wouldn't be ready to help them win playoff games and will struggle to get on the floor unless he's unusually mature for his age. I go all the way back to Darko. When he was selected by the Pistons #2 overall there could not have been a worse place for him. They were just in the finals and the expectations was to get back there. He's considered a draft bust but in reality he was a development bust. Veteran teams ready to win aren't going to cater to the needs of a 19 year old.
The repeater tax on $23mm is about $80mm. Cut $9mm in salary off and the tax is just $40mm. Plus the 9mm saved. So it saves them $50,000,000 to do that deal of LMA+11 for #2+Wiggins.
Yeah, don't love Wiggins and he is overpaid, but he isn't much of a step down from DD if we are shedding the 52mm in LMA/DD salaries, and he is just 25.
DD to Atlanta confirmed?
If we don't move LMA and run it back...
Running it back has always been the most likely scenario. This is the Spurs we're talking about here. I bet they think they can find a stud at 11 and keep a hybrid rebuild process going.
I get keeping Derozan for the youngins. But Derozan and Aldridge have two full seasons of evidence that they do not work well together on the same team. And at some point, our young guys are going to need more playing time to develop.
I dont believe any current young bigs in the program have enough upside to worry about getting them playing time. If you keep LMA but adapt to more of the style of play we saw in the bubble then that would be fine for developing all the young guards.
The real question is what is Patty's role? And can you let Gay walk and give those minutes to Lyles and/or the draft pick.
The real question is what is Patty's role? And can you let Gay walk and give those minutes to Lyles and/or the draft pick.
I think our style in the bubble worked because LA wasn't playing.
Patty's role is to get us a decent young player or draft pick.Ag Natural said:
I dont believe any current young bigs in the program have enough upside to worry about getting them playing time. If you keep LMA but adapt to more of the style of play we saw in the bubble then that would be fine for developing all the young guards.
The real question is what is Patty's role? And can you let Gay walk and give those minutes to Lyles and/or the draft pick.
I think we keep Gay because he isn't that expensive, has good veteran experience, and can play 3/4.
Rockets, Bucks, Pellies, Blazers, Suns, Thunder all making trades.
Pop:
Pop:
Guitarsoup said:
Rockets, Bucks, Pellies, Blazers, Suns, Thunder all making trades.
Pop:
Although, I expect any trades we make to be on draft night.
I think there's a good chance GSW ends up holding onto their pick.
Maybe the a spurs can a work a LMA for Hayward + 14.
Maybe the a spurs can a work a LMA for Hayward + 14.
Enzo The Baker said:
I think there's a good chance GSW ends up holding onto their pick.
Maybe the a spurs can a work a LMA for Hayward + 14.
Nothing would surprise me. It's the type of draft where I'm more than ok with trading up, standing pat, or trading back. There may not be a ton of home runs (but there might be 1 or 2), but I do think there are a bunch of guys who will be really good NBA players in the right role. It's easier for the fan base to stomach a pick that turns into a really solid rotation guy at 14 then it is if you trade up into the top 10.
FWIW, the ringer says the Spurs are one of many teams looking to move up to select Patrick Williams, who has rocketed up the draft in recent weeks. Meh.
Enzo The Baker said:
FWIW, the ringer says the Spurs are one of many teams looking to move up to select Patrick Williams, who has rocketed up the draft in recent weeks. Meh.
Saw that a little bit ago. I like Patrick Williams at 11, but I don't like trading up for him. Would rather stay at 11 and take Bey, Vassel, or Nesmith than trade up for Williams.
Yea. Usually when a player moves up the board fast before the draft, it's not a good sign. But who knows, this entire year has been atypical.
Draft day! Today's the day we trade #11 to Boston for #26 and #30.
GSG
GSG
Enzo The Baker said:
Draft day! Today's the day we trade #11 to Boston for #26 and #30.
GSG
I'll be at practice and will miss most of the early action. Here's to finding the next great Spur, regardless of where he's drafted!
Per KOC, the Warriors are mulling over a deal with Chicago that would give them #4 and Wendell Carter Jr for #2 (a much better offer than the reported LMA trade).
An update on the Spurs, they are eying Williams OR Okongwu if they are able to move up, which seems unlikely at this point.
An update on the Spurs, they are eying Williams OR Okongwu if they are able to move up, which seems unlikely at this point.
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That is typically bc whoever the prospect is, they have a couple or sometimes even only one, really great workouts, where they shoot lights out and test off the charts. But this year, with the limits put on in person workouts, and the lack of tape on these guys, i think that question mark is even larger on some of these guys. that being said, I think this draft, moreso than previous years, is going to net some teams really great players late in the draft. i know that happens to some degree every year, but i think we'll look back and see some guys get taken late first, even into the 2nd round, that in a "normal year", would have moved up half a round or more, bc teams would have had more game tape and scouting done on these guys.Enzo The Baker said:
Yea. Usually when a player moves up the board fast before the draft, it's not a good sign. But who knows, this entire year has been atypical.
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