Political fallout and arguments regarding the US-Israeli action against Iran 022824

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In reply to AGHouston11 • 4:16p, 3/30/26
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Colonel Kurtz said:
Keyno said:
In other news- Trump comes out on Truth Social today and threatens to blow up Iran's energy infrastructure- electricity plants, oil wells, desalination plants. These are civilian targets and would be considered war crimes. Some may even describe these acts as "terrorist".

So what even are we doing here? We have to become the terrorists to defeat the terrorists?

I remember when this war was about liberating the people of Iran.


Rubio just listed the objectives for this war.
Regime change was not on the list.
Obviously the objectives and messaging on this war has been terrible since the beginning.

When you campaign on one set of principles you might should work hard on being very clear on things when you do the exact opposite!

Are you Jessica Tarlov? Cause she literally just said the same crap on the Five.

Too funny. People fall for the misinformation all the time.

Evidently Rubio needs to remind you of every single objective and if he misses one than the war is just one Jewish scam.

Iran - Not a new conflict, not a forever way, not a mistake, plan in place and being executed.

Having balls to put America first...? Yea, thats what I voted for.

Sorry Kamala lost.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 4:17p, 3/30/26
You literally just insulted me, didn't adequately respond to my question, and asked staff to remove my posts.

Let me say it in English:

What are the reasons for war/case for war/cause for war?

And yes you can disclose reasons for war without killing your countrymen, because they need to know why they are there in the first place.
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In reply to AggieCVQ • 4:20p, 3/30/26
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AggieCVQ said:
You literally just insulted me, didn't adequately respond to my question, and asked staff to remove my posts.

Let me say it in English:

What are the reasons for war/case for war/cause for war?

And yes you can disclose reasons for war without killing your countrymen, because they need to know why they are there in the first place.


This has been known since day one. It's in this thread.
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In reply to YouBet • 4:21p, 3/30/26
The guy above you said the same thing, posted a list of military objectives, and then insulted me when I put that it was a military goal list rather than a reason for war.
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In reply to AggieCVQ • 4:23p, 3/30/26
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AggieCVQ said:
You literally just insulted me, didn't adequately respond to my question, and asked staff to remove my posts.

Let me say it in English:

What are the reasons for war/case for war/cause for war?

And yes you can disclose reasons for war without killing your countrymen, because they need to know why they are there in the first place.


You have asked and I have answered again and again. You are simply trolling, frankly harassing. I have had zero comms with staff today.

And no, soldiers need to know they received a lawful order. Trump is the one who gets to make the determination to send troops into harm's way as part of his sworn duties as POTUS.

Its practical to let the Country know why, and Trump and his team have done more on that than any administration in our 250 year history. Multiple updates, press access, pressers by the military brass, a media looking under every rock. Yet you want more and dare challenge me on what I have or have not provided it when its all been presented over and over? Again dude, read, understand or move on. But this should stop.

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We are at war with them (the latin crap again - did not realize reddit went full latin, strange) because...

A country who desires and actively strives for a nuclear weapon who was creating ever further reaching delivery systems who has sworn death to America and its allies, who has repeatedly attacked our people and properties for 47 years, we decided that it was time to address the ongoing threat.

And Thank God for Donald John Trump having the balls to actually put America first.

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In reply to AggieCVQ • 4:24p, 3/30/26
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Where were you insulted?
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In reply to AggieCVQ • 4:25p, 3/30/26
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AggieCVQ said:
The guy above you said the same thing, posted a list of military objectives, and then insulted me when I put that it was a military goal list rather than a reason for war.

It's all he's got and all he does these days. A good sign you are losing the argument and have no ground to stand on.

Though I do admire his stamina, he's on here all day and night doing the same thing.

Best to not engage him.
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In reply to Moderator • 4:27p, 3/30/26
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We are locking this thread for the afternoon. During the lockdown everyone contributing to this thread needs to figure out if you want to have a good faith discussion on this topic in this forum or not. We are not going to keep coming in and cleaning off large numbers of posts due to users not being able to discuss without trolling, personal attacks, and thread derails. Do not go start another thread on this topic. You will be banned if you do.

Thanks and Gig 'Em!

C'mon folks. The daily drive bys of Trump has no plans and we are being led by Israel have been repeatedly asked, accused, answered and discussed.

Two retired generals had great interviews over the past day or so providing even more than posters on this thread have.

There are folks like me and others who actually want to discuss progress and political fall out.
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In reply to BlackGold • 4:28p, 3/30/26
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AggieCVQ said:
The guy above you said the same thing, posted a list of military objectives, and then insulted me when I put that it was a military goal list rather than a reason for war.

It's all he's got and all he does these days. A good sign you are losing the argument and have no ground to stand on.

Though I do admire his stamina, he's on here all day and night doing the same thing.

Best to not engage him.

Yet here you are with your trolling.

I am not actually Jewish if that makes a difference in how you reference my posting.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 4:30p, 3/30/26
With respect to nuclear, what was the point of destroying infrastructure if not to delay a war? If we are fully going into a war: is the goal to completely overthrow the regime and maintain a US presence there until the people are reconditioned to be OK with the US ala Germany? What is the long term goal here? Are we going to nation build again?


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In reply to BlackGold • 4:33p, 3/30/26
Sorry. Try to avoid having my government bombing / destroying entire swaths of the world or if we are I like to know the reasons.
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In reply to AggieCVQ • 4:33p, 3/30/26
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AggieCVQ said:
The guy above you said the same thing, posted a list of military objectives, and then insulted me when I put that it was a military goal list rather than a reason for war.


Not sure what you are asking then. You want to know what the objectives are which you seem to be aware of, yet keep asking what the objectives are.
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4:33p, 3/30/26
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We haven't seen evidence for Iran rebuilding nuclear arms, mainly hearsay. Tulsi testified they were not. She hasn't been charged with perjury to my knowledge yet. I think it's a fair point to ask what is the reason for war with the political background disaster of Iraq and midterms coming up. If it's not clearly identifiable in this thread without insults and name calling it's not going to be for the moderate voter. Trump won a large number of moderates in 2024. I don't believe they are sold on this conflict heading into midterms. Wouldn't be surprised by low turnout for the republicans. Which low turnout is pretty typical for the presidents party during midterms anyways so it's an uphill battle to begin with.
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In reply to Yukon Cornelius • 4:43p, 3/30/26
Yukon Cornelius said:
We haven't seen evidence for Iran rebuilding nuclear arms, mainly hearsay. Tulsi testified they were not. She hasn't been charged with perjury to my knowledge yet. I think it's a fair point to ask what is the reason for war with the political background disaster of Iraq and midterms coming up. If it's not clearly identifiable in this thread without insults and name calling it's not going to be for the moderate voter. Trump won a large number of moderates in 2024. I don't believe they are sold on this conflict heading into midterms. Wouldn't be surprised by low turnout for the republicans. Which low turnout is pretty typical for the presidents party during midterms anyways so it's an uphill battle to begin with.

Best case scenario is the GOP gets blown out in the midterms and the Democrats stonewall this war for the rest of the Trump's term.
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In reply to YouBet • 4:49p, 3/30/26
Military objectives vs why you are in a war.

Do you understand the difference?


The poster above posted what the military is trying to do, not why we are even bothering in the first place.
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In reply to Keyno • 4:51p, 3/30/26
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I'm concerned the save America act doesn't get past and after midterms it never will. With illegal voting and the bogus 2020 census conservatives will never win the presidency again. This war could serve as the death knell for the conservatives.
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In reply to Yukon Cornelius • 4:53p, 3/30/26
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I'm concerned the save America act doesn't get past and after midterms it never will. With illegal voting and the bogs 2020 census conservatives will never win the presidency again. This war could serve as the death knell for the conservatives.

Oh well. If all the GOP can offer is endless foreign war and a corporate tax cut (no matter who is in office), then I don't really care.
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In reply to AggieCVQ • 5:11p, 3/30/26
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With respect to nuclear, what was the point of destroying infrastructure if not to delay a war? If we are fully going into a war: is the goal to completely overthrow the regime and maintain a US presence there until the people are reconditioned to be OK with the US ala Germany? What is the long term goal here? Are we going to nation build again?



Regardless if one might be for against this action/war, the objectives have been repeatedly stated from the get-go.

The stated objectives for the US have everything to do with destroying their military capabilities, infrastructure and military industrial complex as well as securing their stockpile of enriched uranium.

It has also been stated (and re-stated) that the US objectives do NOT include regime change (although we would welcome it), or any kind of nation building or prolonged presence.

The timeline to accomplish the US objectives was projected at 4-6 weeks and clearly stated at the outset.

It's ok to disagree or question whether these objectives are possible, smart, dumb, etc (we should all question everything...critical thinking is vital). But the objectives themselves have been communicated. So it's hard to know if some of these questions are sincere, etc and/or to try and respond without offending.


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In reply to AggieCVQ • 5:22p, 3/30/26
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Military objectives vs why you are in a war.

Do you understand the difference?


The poster above posted what the military is trying to do, not why we are even bothering in the first place.
the casus belli is just vibes at this point. revenge for 1979? american holy war against islam? israel forced our hand? They Can't Have Nukes part 30? liberate the iranians? who knows man just enjoy the explosion compilations on twitter and fox news
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In reply to Yukon Cornelius • 5:26p, 3/30/26
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Yukon Cornelius said:
I'm concerned the save America act doesn't get past and after midterms it never will. With illegal voting and the bogus 2020 census conservatives will never win the presidency again. This war could serve as the death knell for the conservatives.


The death knell for "conservatives" (Really just the death knell for big government Republicans. True Conservatives like Thomas Massie and Rand Paul are only increasing in popularity.) was electing big government Liberal Donald John Trump. Whom we should thank God for sending to save us!
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In reply to AggieCVQ • 5:33p, 3/30/26
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AggieCVQ said:
Military objectives vs why you are in a war.

Do you understand the difference?


The poster above posted what the military is trying to do, not why we are even bothering in the first place.

From my understanding and the reporting from the administration and congress (even the D's in the group of 8), we were concerned about:
  • the increase in missile production and the fact that Iran would soon have enough to potentially overwhelm intercept capabilities thus giving them a deterrent that could prevent action at a later time.
  • development of longer-range missiles
  • the remaining enriched uranium which Iran themselves said could produce up to 11 nukes if spun up to weapons grade.
It seems we were presented with a unique opportunity to do something about the above, while Iran is weakened from the June attacks and population unrest, rather than risking a much more serious conflict down the road.

As mentioned in my previous post, it's fine to disagree with or question the merits, timing, etc. and have a discussion about it. I'm just attempting to respectfully answer your question based on what was reported when this all kicked off.
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In reply to Keyno • 5:57p, 3/30/26
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Keyno said:
Yukon Cornelius said:
We haven't seen evidence for Iran rebuilding nuclear arms, mainly hearsay. Tulsi testified they were not. She hasn't been charged with perjury to my knowledge yet. I think it's a fair point to ask what is the reason for war with the political background disaster of Iraq and midterms coming up. If it's not clearly identifiable in this thread without insults and name calling it's not going to be for the moderate voter. Trump won a large number of moderates in 2024. I don't believe they are sold on this conflict heading into midterms. Wouldn't be surprised by low turnout for the republicans. Which low turnout is pretty typical for the presidents party during midterms anyways so it's an uphill battle to begin with.

Best case scenario is the GOP gets blown out in the midterms and the Democrats stonewall this war for the rest of the Trump's term.


Yes, getting back to full Marxism and open borders is a best case scenario.
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In reply to YouBet • 6:55p, 3/30/26
YouBet said:
Keyno said:
Yukon Cornelius said:
We haven't seen evidence for Iran rebuilding nuclear arms, mainly hearsay. Tulsi testified they were not. She hasn't been charged with perjury to my knowledge yet. I think it's a fair point to ask what is the reason for war with the political background disaster of Iraq and midterms coming up. If it's not clearly identifiable in this thread without insults and name calling it's not going to be for the moderate voter. Trump won a large number of moderates in 2024. I don't believe they are sold on this conflict heading into midterms. Wouldn't be surprised by low turnout for the republicans. Which low turnout is pretty typical for the presidents party during midterms anyways so it's an uphill battle to begin with.

Best case scenario is the GOP gets blown out in the midterms and the Democrats stonewall this war for the rest of the Trump's term.


Yes, getting back to full Marxism and open borders is a best case scenario.

One good thing about this thread, is learning who the RINO's and ultra liberal anti American's are.
Can't decide if I want to be cute & cuddly, or go blow some sh*t up.
Decisions decisions.
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In reply to Yukon Cornelius • 7:00p, 3/30/26
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Yukon Cornelius said:
We haven't seen evidence for Iran rebuilding nuclear arms, mainly hearsay. Tulsi testified they were not. She hasn't been charged with perjury to my knowledge yet. I think it's a fair point to ask what is the reason for war with the political background disaster of Iraq and midterms coming up. If it's not clearly identifiable in this thread without insults and name calling it's not going to be for the moderate voter. Trump won a large number of moderates in 2024. I don't believe they are sold on this conflict heading into midterms. Wouldn't be surprised by low turnout for the republicans. Which low turnout is pretty typical for the presidents party during midterms anyways so it's an uphill battle to begin with.


She never testified to the emboldened. It was in a report she issued but I don't know if that report factored in the threat from the Iranian negotiators that it was their "Allah" given right to possess nuclear weapons and are ready to spin up the uranium for 10 to 12 bombs at any moment.
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In reply to The Ex Officio Director • 7:01p, 3/30/26
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The disgusting thing is that Trump was unable to stay on target and deviated into this unnecessary idiocy. Had he done what he said he'd do in the election, we wouldn't be facing a **** storm in November.

But, blame goes to Congress too. These morons had both houses of the legislature and still couldn't pass anything but a bull**** spending bill.

No deportations. Doge was a joke. Nothing.

Elections are a farce. Every single one of these clowns is controlled. They're either beholden to money or someone has their pornhub login.
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In reply to Queso1 • 7:07p, 3/30/26
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The disgusting thing is that Trump was unable to stay on target and deviated into this unnecessary idiocy. Had he done what he said he'd do in the election, we wouldn't be facing a **** storm in November.

But, blame goes to Congress too. These morons had both houses of the legislature and still couldn't pass anything but a bull**** spending bill.

No deportations. Doge was a joke. Nothing.

Elections are a farce. Every single one of these clowns is controlled. They're either beholden to money or someone has their pornhub login.


This is amazingly naive. Some people don't understand the congressional process. It's impossible for a party to pass legislation without having 60+ senators on the same team.

Couple that with the American Pravda gaslighting (brainwashing) the masses, the "Nothing" happened.

We now have so called conservatives ripping out their hair about the honorable task of preventing a rabid death cult from obtaining nuclear weapons.

Does anyone do HS civics anymore?
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In reply to bobbranco • 7:11p, 3/30/26
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Queso1 said:
The disgusting thing is that Trump was unable to stay on target and deviated into this unnecessary idiocy. Had he done what he said he'd do in the election, we wouldn't be facing a **** storm in November.

But, blame goes to Congress too. These morons had both houses of the legislature and still couldn't pass anything but a bull**** spending bill.

No deportations. Doge was a joke. Nothing.

Elections are a farce. Every single one of these clowns is controlled. They're either beholden to money or someone has their pornhub login.


This is amazingly naive. Some people don't understand the congressional process. It's impossible for a party to pass legislation without having 60+ senators on the same team.

Couple that with the American Pravda gaslighting (brainwashing) the masses, the "Nothing" happened.

We now have so called conservatives ripping out their hair about the honorable task of preventing a rabid death cult from obtaining nuclear weapons.

Does anyone do HS civics anymore?

Not since the creation of the department of education
Can't decide if I want to be cute & cuddly, or go blow some sh*t up.
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In reply to bobbranco • 7:11p, 3/30/26
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I think I'm pretty aware of the workings of the US Legislature.

Based on your keen analysis, nothing can ever get passed. Yet they seemed to get the Big Beautiful Bill passed just fine.
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7:13p, 3/30/26
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And if nothing can get done without a 60 vote "majority" in the senate, then why all the panties in a bunch over this midterm?
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In reply to Queso1 • 7:21p, 3/30/26
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Queso1 said:
I think I'm pretty aware of the workings of the US Legislature.

Based on your keen analysis, nothing can ever get passed. Yet they seemed to get the Big Beautiful Bill passed just fine.


Increasing the size of government simultaneously increasing their kickbacks? Easy YES. Anything else? Nah we have crazy social topics and religious wars 50k miles away to worry about.

Team Red and Team Blue aren't fighting only their cheerleaders are.
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Queso1 said:
I think I'm pretty aware of the workings of the US Legislature.

Based on your keen analysis, nothing can ever get passed. Yet they seemed to get the Big Beautiful Bill passed just fine.

BBB only required 51 votes. Because of reconciliation...

More civics knowledge for you.
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bobbranco said:
Queso1 said:
The disgusting thing is that Trump was unable to stay on target and deviated into this unnecessary idiocy. Had he done what he said he'd do in the election, we wouldn't be facing a **** storm in November.

But, blame goes to Congress too. These morons had both houses of the legislature and still couldn't pass anything but a bull**** spending bill.

No deportations. Doge was a joke. Nothing.

Elections are a farce. Every single one of these clowns is controlled. They're either beholden to money or someone has their pornhub login.


This is amazingly naive. Some people don't understand the congressional process. It's impossible for a party to pass legislation without having 60+ senators on the same team.

Couple that with the American Pravda gaslighting (brainwashing) the masses, the "Nothing" happened.

We now have so called conservatives ripping out their hair about the honorable task of preventing a rabid death cult from obtaining nuclear weapons.

Does anyone do HS civics anymore?

Yeah, we understand how it works. It's just frustrating- the GOP can make all the promises in the world when they are running for office, and then when they don't do anything they can just blame the democrats. But when Israel needs us to go do another foreign war for them- the GOP WILL do that no matter what. Congress be danged.
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In reply to Swollen Thumb • 7:33p, 3/30/26
At least this is a response, but Reuters reported otherwise.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/trump-iranian-missile-claim-unsupported-by-us-intelligence-say-sources-2026-02-27/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
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In reply to AggieCVQ • 7:34p, 3/30/26
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At least this is a response, but Reuters reported otherwise.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/trump-iranian-missile-claim-unsupported-by-us-intelligence-say-sources-2026-02-27/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Just like the claim they were "seconds away from a nuke" or whatever timeline they trotted out this time.
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7:38p, 3/30/26


Good video. Suggests unless Iran explicitly states that mines were not laid in the Strait, we are months away from it re-opening at best. Even with an agreement with Iran.
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