2012-13 San Antonio Spurs thread

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Ulrich
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3:15p, 6/5/13
I think a lot of his problems stem from languishing on a dysfunctional franchise like the Kings. I could be wrong, it happens plenty, but if he goes to the Spurs I think his career will take off.

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3:53p, 6/5/13
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I think a lot of his problems stem from languishing on a dysfunctional franchise like the Kings. I could be wrong, it happens plenty, but if he goes to the Spurs I think his career will take off.

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I agree. The Kings are a trainwreck and have done very little in the way of any kind of player development. Evans for his career is averaging 18, 5, and 5 per 36. Coming off the bench in San Antonio in Pop's system where he doesn't have to be the only guy in a dysfunctional, pick up game style offense I think he'd flourish. He's just under a 45% career shooter and 27% from 3; however he shot a career high 33% from 3 this year and working with Chip Engelland could certainly make both of his shooting percentages go up. He can create his own shot and can get in the lane and get to the line. He very well may flop, but IMO he's got a ton of upside.
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5:28p, 6/5/13
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http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/9341509/kawhi-leonard

Article about Kawhi with a bit about him growing up.

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You pronounce San Antonio Spurs star Kawhi Leonard's first name "Kuh-why." And yet Leonard refuses to make "why" a part of his life anymore.

Why was his dad murdered that Friday night five years ago at the Compton, Calif., car wash he owned?

Why has no one been arrested?

Why has not even one witness cooperated with the police?

"Man, I just try not to think about it," says the 6-foot-7 Leonard, who was 16 when his dad was shot and killed. "It was in L.A. Murders happen out there and nobody ever finds out. It is what it is, I guess."
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6:20p, 6/5/13
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It will be interesting to see what kind of offer Splitter gets this offseason. I think having another Big is critical to keeping Duncan fresh. The Spurs may have to spend more than they want to in order to keep him.
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Ulrich
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6:25p, 6/5/13
I'm waiting until the finals are over to really get into depth on this. Trying to just enjoy the run.
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4:01p, 6/11/13
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Mega article by Simmons about every year of Tim's career.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9362631/tim-duncan-part-1

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9364555/tim-duncan-part-2

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12:09p, 6/12/13
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I think the Spurs need two from this list as Diaw will be done as well. My thoughts:
Redick - good player but might not want another undersized wing player (similar to Neal)
Korver - I think he would be a great pickup on a three year deal to go with Duncan and Parker...deadly shooter
Wright - he is underrated and would bring good size and spacing to replace Diaw...while getting us younger
Webster - this is one of the best corner 3 shooters in the game...a shot the Spurs get in abundance; he also has good length to replace Diaw
Garcia - affordable foreign player that may interest Pop...has played well in obscurity for years
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Ulrich
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1:09p, 6/12/13
Diaw is only 31.
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Enzo The Baker
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9:46a, 6/13/13
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Steve Kyler (whoever he is) is reporting that SA is now in the D12 mix. Dear God, no.
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9:54a, 6/13/13
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Steve Kyler (whoever he is) is reporting that SA is now in the D12 mix. Dear God, no.


No way Howard would come to San Antonio. I also don't think Pop would really want him. He's got all the talent in the world, but he's a mental midget and has caused problems at two different franchises now. Pop doesn't put up with bs, just ask Stephen Jackson.
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Enzo The Baker
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9:55a, 6/13/13
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There is interest in him from our side though obviously.
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10:00a, 6/13/13
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There is interest in him from our side though obviously.


I didn't disagree. Dwight's shenanigans isn't the type of crap that Pop puts up with. It wouldn't surprise me if Pop wasn't a huge fan of making a push for him.
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Ulrich
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10:02a, 6/13/13
I hope that's not a sign that Pop is going to retire.
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10:07a, 6/13/13
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Maybe it's 1 of 2 things:

1. Pop thinks he can fix Dwight and make him the new Tim Duncan.

2. Spurs trolling the Rockets.
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11:03a, 6/13/13
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Well, he does suck at FTs so that seems like a good fit.

In all seriousness, I wouldn't want Dwight on the Spurs. He is the anti-Spur type of player.


Assuming there's even a shot at it, it's a really tough call. I hate Dwight because of what you just said; he's the complete opposite of what the Spurs are built around. On the other hand, it'd be really hard to turn down that kind of talent. He's incredibly unrefined as a post player, and is still easily averaging 20 and 10. Letting him work with Robinson and Duncan could do wonders for him, plus Pop certainly knows how to build his offense around a dominant big man. Plus it would keep the Spurs championship contenders for a few more years after Duncan and Ginobili are gone.
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11:30a, 6/13/13
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I would just have D12 sit down with Duncan. Let Duncan show him his 4 (maybe 5) rings and awards. Tell him he can learn under him the same way Duncan learned under Robinson. Tell Howard he can have it all as well but he has to check his ego at the door and come ready to learn. If not, then he can go elsewhere.
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11:55a, 6/13/13
I don't think the Spurs have a realistic shot at Howard, but it makes perfect sense from a playing for championships perspective.

Parker
Green
Leonard
Duncan
Howard

That is a sick defensive / rebounding lineup, easily best in the league. Even OKC can't matchup with that because no one will ever get a shot off inside the lane, and you can't win a series without doing that to some extent.
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11:57a, 6/13/13
I'm more curious what the Spurs odds are of re-signing Splitter and Neal. It would be good to have both back just for continuity sake. With Manu's decline, the Spurs need a player like Neal who can come off the bench and create some kind of offense. Joseph / Mills / Manu / Nando simply can't do that effectively.
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12:31p, 6/13/13
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I think there's a big chance of getting Splitter back especially since he's a RFA.

Neal on the other hand may be playing himself into a better contract than he's actually worth and someone will pay him that money, but the Spurs won't.
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Ulrich
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12:47p, 6/13/13
The market for Neal will be interesting, as is finding out how the Spurs value him. I've been saying for a year or two that the Spurs need to hang on to Green a lot more than they need to hang on to Neal, but the Spurs have a lot of space to work next season so they may be willing to pay Neal a little extra for continuity.
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Enzo The Baker
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12:49p, 6/13/13
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Green still has three years left on his contract after this season at $4MM a year.
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1:04p, 6/13/13
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Bear in mind that the media scrutiny Howard would face would be significantly less as a Spur. That may be the trade-off that turns him into a better team player.
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1:12p, 6/13/13
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In addition to his attitude, his recent nagging injuries are of great concern.
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3:14p, 6/13/13
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Thank God the Spurs locked up Green last year on the cheap instead of after this season.

I still don't think Neal deserves a ton. He is so streaky and goes through long slumps. His defensive also sucks. He's great when he gets going like in Game 3 and his hot hand can occasionally win a game for you, but I just don't think he's worth overpaying.


Agree with all of this.

Neal is worth keeping for the right price. His horrid D is what kept him out of the rotation for the most part until now. He can definitely be a great shot in the arm on offense, but he has done his fair share of killing the offensive flow with his chucking. If some scrub team wants to overpay him for his finals performance, then all the power to them.
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3:55p, 6/13/13
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The other thing about Howard, he's not that great of a passer.
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3:59p, 6/13/13
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The other thing about Howard, he's not that great of a passer.


Howard has a lot of flaws. But for all of his flaws, he can still be the most dominant big man in the game. Since he lacks any real skill as a basketball player, his health is what should concern teams the most. If he can't bully people and dunk over them, he's not going to be able to knock down 15 footers off the backboard or dream shake and pump fake to score. If his athleticism goes, so does his entire game.
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3:59p, 6/13/13
Neal's chucking has been less of a problem than his over dribbling and dribbling into traps. When he limits himself to catch and shoot or one dribble and shoot, he's an excellent bench scorer. When the Spurs' team defense is clicking like it has been in the playoffs, he's not quite as much of a liability on that end.

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4:25p, 6/13/13
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Green is the keeper, Neal is nice but very replaceable. You can always find Guards that can come off the bench and hit open 3's. Pop learned long ago when they gave Jaren Jackson way too big of a contract after the '99 Playoffs that you just can't overpay those guys.

Green is valuable because he also plays defense and has some ability to create (though limited). A deadly shooter that plays in the system and is a good defender is much harder to find.
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5:02p, 6/14/13
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FYI, Ulrich, Iggy opted out.
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11:16a, 6/21/13
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Alright, well I guess it's time to start discussing off season moves.

Biggest need IMO, is a new 6th man. Ginobili is worth keeping at a discounted rate, but he can't be that guy to just carry the bench unit anymore. Someone who can create their own shot is a must. There are several free agent wings who could potentially fill this spot and the Spurs have cap space to make a good signing.

A second big is the next issue. Splitter is a solid pick and roll player and isn't terrible defensively, but he's also not a great rebounder or very physical. He's worth keeping, but what kind of offers will be thrown at him by other teams? Dwight Howard isn't coming to San Antonio, but do we make a move for another big man?

On the team, I think Kawhi really needs to work on his ball handling this offseason. He showed some flashes of being capable to take people to the hole (being guarded by LBJ no less) and he's already a fantastic finisher in the paint with a constantly improving jumper. I think he needs to become a bigger part of the offense going forward.
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11:18a, 6/21/13
I think Danny Green needs to add a drive and floater to his game. People are going to try to chase him off the 3 point line so he'll need that in order to keep contributing scoring wise.
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11:41a, 6/21/13
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OJ Mayo would be a good addition.

15 pts, 4 reb, 3 ast, 1 stl per game. 41% 3-point shooter
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7:01p, 6/23/13
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Saw on SpursTalk that Stephen Jackson was also banging Timmy's wife and that is the reason he was abruptly cut from the team. Hope it's not true.
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