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******Rockets Offseason Roster Moves******* [Staff Warning on page 72]
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Last: 11 yr ago by Ryan34
That quote may be from early yesterday and everyone knew he wants to be with Lebron. Going to be hard to get him but possible.
Part of me says "no sh**" he wants to play with the best player in the league in a city that he and his wife are comfortable in.
The other part wonders how he could turn down a contract offer like the one Morey is proposing. I don't think Miami's offer will be anything close to that.
The other part wonders how he could turn down a contract offer like the one Morey is proposing. I don't think Miami's offer will be anything close to that.
Still think he ends up in Houston. Just a gut feeling.
I think the same thing. Guy is 30 years old. This will likely be his last chance for a big max contract like this.
Money talks. These guys want to win but also want the highest possible salary at the same time. Dwight wouldn't have chosen Houston if we couldn't offer a max deal. Very few Duncans and Dirks out there
Plus, it's not like he's taking a max contract to play for a sh*tty team. Bosh in our scheme alongside Dwight and James would be a very good fit in my opinion. So the "money vs winner" debate may not even apply here, because with a little bit of luck (and if James ever decides to play some defense), we could be a pretty good team
Miami can offer a 5th year and get very close to what Houston is offering. Something like 5 years $85-90M is close enough to the Houston offer (4 years ~$88M) to where it doesn't give him enough incentive to bolt, especially when LeBron officially goes back to Miami.
Morey will start working his way down his free agent board and targets, I don't see Miami low-balling Bosh to the point that he actually bolts.
Morey will start working his way down his free agent board and targets, I don't see Miami low-balling Bosh to the point that he actually bolts.
That assumes Miami will offer $85-90 mil.
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Plus, it's not like he's taking a max contract to play for a sh*tty team.
True. However, when Bosh looks at the Rockets schedule and how many times he has to play good teams vs. the Heat and how many times they get to play Philly, Detroit, Boston, Atlanta, Orlando, New York...well, you get it.
I think if he wants most important role and the most money he will want to be in Houston. Howard/Bosh is a nasty nasty combo.
I don't know. Bosh didn't seem to have a problem shrinking away to a role player when the Heat finally had to play a good team.
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I think if he wants most important role and the most money he will want to be in Houston. Howard/Bosh is a nasty nasty combo.
Except that Miami can offer more money and if LeBron stays, he stays on a team that has made the NBA Finals 4 straight years.
In Houston he would be the #3 role, in Miami the #2 role behind LeBron.
Miami using the full MLE and bi-annual exception limits how much they can spend, correct? In order to still qualify.
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That assumes Miami will offer $85-90 mil.
A 5 year $87.4M contract with Miami would put his 1st year salary at $15.2M. I don't think that's too far off from what Miami has been planning for all along.
If Bosh goes to Houston, it's because either LeBron has decided to bolt, or LeBron chooses to stay but Miami has gotten too cute and offered Bosh $60M and he gets insulted. Hard to envision Riley screwing up that bad, he knows what's at stake, and he's fully aware of Houston' offer.
[This message has been edited by cdhaggie07 (edited 7/8/2014 10:27a).]
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No, it actually allows them to offer all 3 guys the max if they want.
Also...
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It could also have backfired if they didn't because he would have been unrestricted next year.
So what? You could have signed him to a big deal next year and still had cap flexibility to go after a big name FA next year before signing Parsons because the Rockets have his Bird Rights.
By allowing him to go to market this year, Morey boxed himself in to have to get a bigtime FA this year or a Parsons extension will suck up the majority of their cap space.
I'm not a cap expert, so forgive me. But isn't the full MLE restricted to teams over the cap but under the luxury line? How far below the tax line are they?
As for Parsons, they wanted to reward their guy while not risking the chance of losing him. He's also probably easier to trade if he's locked into a deal rather than a small expiring contract. It makes sense.
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That assumes Miami will offer $85-90 mil.
A 5 year $87.4M contract with Miami would put his 1st year salary at $15.2M. I don't think that's too far off from what Miami has been planning for all along.
If Bosh goes to Houston, it's because either LeBron has decided to bolt, or LeBron chooses to stay but Miami has gotten too cute and offered Bosh $60M and he gets insulted. Hard to envision Riley screwing up that bad, he knows what's at stake, and he's fully aware of Houston' offer.
[This message has been edited by cdhaggie07 (edited 7/8/2014 10:27a).]
From what I've read, Bosh would stay in Miami for $80-90M over 5 years but Miami doesn't want to pay that much. Don't know what is true but if he's seriously considering Houston, there could be truth to it.
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By allowing him to go to market this year, Morey boxed himself in to have to get a bigtime FA this year or a Parsons extension will suck up the majority of their cap space.
I don't think he boxed himself in, it's a strategic play to let the market set Parsons value, with the option of matching any offer he signs. If Parsons signs for 4 years $35M, you've now got an above-average SF locked up for 4 more years at a reasonable price. If he signs for 4 years $60M, Morey can let him walk, and use the 4 year/$35M that was slated for Parsons towards another wing player like Ariza.
Morey is trying to see if he can lock Parsons in now at a more reasonable rate versus the free-for-all that is UFA in 2015.
What I meant is I think his role in Houston would be much more crucial than his role in Miami. A stretch four would do wonders for our offense, and we would improve greatly on defense with him as well.
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Miami doesn't want to pay that much.
You are most likely correct, but that is why Bosh is very smart to entertain Houston's offer, it's a great chess move. Bosh has moved his Queen to put Riley's king in check. Now Riley sees the board, and he only has one move. He has to get into the $80M neighborhood for Bosh now, because Bosh is the one with leverage now, not Riley.
And if they kept Parsons at 900k rather than make him an RFA with a cap hold of 2.8mm, it would have been much easier to clear space for a max contract.
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But if somebody like Dallas comes in and offers Parsons $15M to start, then Houston is at risk of striking out on all their FA targets and losing Parsons (or using all their cap space to resign him) when they could have had him for a little over $1M locked in for another year. I see both sides, but it's totally possible this decision backfires.
If Parsons gets offered $15M this year, then he would have gotten offered that next year. Parsons has significantly outplayed his rookie deal, he's going to get paid one way or another. Morey is basically saying ok, instead of letting the UFA set his market value where I can lose him with no opportunity to match, I'll release him a year early, make him restricted, then I can match or let him go depending on how the market prices him. It's actually a pretty smart move if your end goal is that you want to keep Parsons around beyond 2015 and try to see if you can get away with doing it a reasonable rate.
[This message has been edited by cdhaggie07 (edited 7/8/2014 11:10a).]
Reading an article on grantland that says Miami can't go over the apron of $81 mil since they used the full MLE. So it forces Wade's and Bosh's hands to take a pay cut.
Charlie Palilo in Houston just said on his radio show Dallas offered Parsons 15 million a year.... Wow if true
If Parsons doesn't sign, do you think Cuban plays super hard ball and accuses Houston of violating the CBA to do a under the table deal?
Not like it would be out of character for McHale.
Not like it would be out of character for McHale.
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And if they kept Parsons at 900k rather than make him an RFA with a cap hold of 2.8mm, it would have been much easier to clear space for a max contract.
Can someone explain to me why they didn't do this? I might have missed that convo. I was confused when I heard they declined the option.
I'm going to need more confirmation than Charlie Palilo. That number is hard for me to believe.
I was listening, I think the 15 million/yr thing from Dallas was a hypothetical.
The caller asked if Parsons and the Rockets have a silent agreement for 10-12 mil/yr. Palillo said that they might, but if somebody like the Mavs offered him 3 mil/yr more over 4-5 years, Parsons might take it.
The caller asked if Parsons and the Rockets have a silent agreement for 10-12 mil/yr. Palillo said that they might, but if somebody like the Mavs offered him 3 mil/yr more over 4-5 years, Parsons might take it.
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And if they kept Parsons at 900k rather than make him an RFA with a cap hold of 2.8mm, it would have been much easier to clear space for a max contract.
Can someone explain to me why they didn't do this? I might have missed that convo. I was confused when I heard they declined the option.
Digital, see my posts above for the answer to your question.
My bad. I assumed the discussion was way earlier in the thread and not like 3 posts up.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Put me in the camp that doesn't want Bosh for 88 / 4
I'm torn. I think the price tag is too high but I think that is the only way the Rockets will be able to lure a big name away from someone. If they fail this summer then they will try the same thing with Kevin Love.
Sometimes you overpay to turn your team from a 50-55 win team into a championship contender.
If Bosh wants to come to Houston for 4/88 and you can keep Parsons, Jones and Bev, you do it every time. He is a perfect fit, has Championship experience and is a good team player.
Who else in the NBA legitimately would come to Houston AND would fit perfectly with the current team AND would improve the team?
If you are playing Howard/Jones/Parsons/Lin/Harden/Beverley for the next three years, you aren't a championship team and you aren't getting past OKC or San Antonio. Bosh changes that. Morey knows it and Bosh knows it.
If Bosh wants to come to Houston for 4/88 and you can keep Parsons, Jones and Bev, you do it every time. He is a perfect fit, has Championship experience and is a good team player.
Who else in the NBA legitimately would come to Houston AND would fit perfectly with the current team AND would improve the team?
If you are playing Howard/Jones/Parsons/Lin/Harden/Beverley for the next three years, you aren't a championship team and you aren't getting past OKC or San Antonio. Bosh changes that. Morey knows it and Bosh knows it.
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