******Rockets Offseason Roster Moves******* [Staff Warning on page 72]

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9:46a, 7/14/14
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Morey took over a team with 55 wins and 2 stars. 2 years later both stars were shells of their former self. DM was then tasked with building a championship caliber team without tanking. He then turned a bunch of spares into 2 stars and team that won 54 games last year. I'd say that is not ever remotely comparable to what happened in Dallas as they had a star who was in their peak and stayed injury free.



Bingo.
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9:48a, 7/14/14
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I like his wheeling and dealing. It's what got us a 54 win team.

I'll take that over hovering around the lottery every year like most of the east does.
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9:51a, 7/14/14
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Lin over Dragic. Trading Nic Batum for Donte Green. Not keeping Chandler for a 4th year. Royce White. Waived Gerald Green. Signing Ariza the first time. Traded a first round pick for Terrence Williams. Dumped Marcus Morris for a 2nd round pick. Patrick Patterson, and Toney Douglas for Thomas Robinson.



Dragon wanted player option which Morey isn't a fan of and Les really wanted Lin. Batum deal sucked, hindsight 20/20. White sucked. Gerald Green ho hum. Ariza was applauded by many at the time. Terrence Williams was later flipped for profit iirc. Morris sucked. TRob was a good deal later flipped for Howard room
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9:54a, 7/14/14
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There are alot of teams tha make the playoffs 50% of the time and never make a real run.

Morey has completed seven seasons as the General Manager of the Houston Rockets. The team has made the playoffs three times and only won one playoff series.

There are a ton of GMs that can boast comparable performance.

I don't think Morey is a terrible GM, I just think he likes to wheel and deal too much and he doesn't emphasize the coaching, continuity and development aspects of his program.

That keeps players like Parsons and the Hardin from learning how to play defense. Instead of developing young guys like parsons he lets them go. He is always looking to wheel and deal instead of develop. You may strike gold occasionally with this method if you lure the right free agent and even make a deep playoff run, but it is unlikely you will ever win it all as you will hit teams with stars and systems that have played together for years. Thus far the Rockets have only made it past the first round once in 7 years. Perhaps the next decade of Moreyball will be better.

Again, Morey isn't terrible, but he sure doesn't have the stature to rip on the Dallas Mavericks, who have won a title since Morey has been there.

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9:56a, 7/14/14
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Good luck winning a title with Harden, Howard, and Parsons as your 3 best players tieing up $51+M in salary, thus locking in that group as your big 3 for the next 3-4 years.

FIFY

The rockets struck out on adding a big-time free agent. That happens regardless of whether Parsons is making $965k or $15M this year. If Morey picks up Parsons team option for this year, the rockets bring back the same team and have made no headway towards breaking into the West's top 3. Making Parsons a RFA did not inhibit the rockets ability to add a big-time FA this summer.
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9:59a, 7/14/14
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"Again, Morey isn't terrible, but he sure doesn't have the stature to rip on the Dallas Mavericks, who have won a title since Morey has been there."


Morey also has NEVER had a healthy superstar up until a season ago like Dallas has always had
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10:05a, 7/14/14
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The team has made the playoffs three times and only won one playoff series.


Pretty sure its 4 of 7. How many of those GMs did with the injuries the Rockets had & before & after a rebuild without having the chance to draft a true star (top 10 pick).

The only team I can think of that went through a similar situatin is with Portland when they lost Roy & Oden, but now have Alridge & Lillard. But they had the top draft picks
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10:06a, 7/14/14
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The team has made the playoffs three times and only won one playoff series.


Pretty sure its 4 of 7. How many of those GMs did with the injuries the Rockets had & before & after a rebuild without having the chance to draft a true star (top 10 pick).

The only team I can think of that went through a similar situatin is with Portland when they lost Roy & Oden, but now have Alridge & Lillard. But they had the top draft picks
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10:08a, 7/14/14
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Dont forget drafting Morris when Leonard was still on the board. I thought that was a no brainer...

I never thought Leonard was going to be this good (and he wouldnt have been with Mchale as coach), but I knew Morris was useless.
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10:11a, 7/14/14
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Any pick outside of the top 3 is truly a crap shoot
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10:29a, 7/14/14
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Remember that when someone gives him credit for drafting Parsons. Same crapshoot.

Incidentally, drafting Parsons had been cited as one of his smartest moves, but now it is meaningless since he will spend his prime playing for our rival.
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10:40a, 7/14/14
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He will spend his prime being grossly overpaid as well as trying to perform in a role he's never been asked to. Being the #2 stud
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10:42a, 7/14/14
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Dirk#1
Monta#2
Parsons#3
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10:45a, 7/14/14
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Remember that when someone gives him credit for drafting Parsons. Same crapshoot.

Incidentally, drafting Parsons had been cited as one of his smartest moves, but now it is meaningless since he will spend his prime playing for our rival.


I wouldn't say crapshoot. Is say there is a certain hit rate at 1-5, 6-10, 11-20, etc...

DM has regularly hit in the 2nd round at a higher rate than everyone else it feels. However id say he's avg to drafting in the tteens and never hit it out of the park with any pick.
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10:48a, 7/14/14
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It is possible that he will get even better. Going from Mchale to Carlisle is like going from Jar Jar to Yoda.
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11:05a, 7/14/14
it's pretty apparent that morey does not believe he can win a title without a 3rd superstar. chandler is solid, but is clearly not a superstar and the contract the mavs offered him would keep morey from adding a third superstar. morey called it the "most untradeable contract i've ever seen".

so morey keeps his flexibility and will undoubtedly turn his attention to trying to find a trade for that, thus far, elusive third star.

i was pretty pissed at morey, but mostly because i feel like he just miscalculated what chandler would get once made available. i think it is pretty obvious he didn't think chandler would get max money and i'm not sure it should have been that surprising for someone dialed in.

chandler to ariza (all things being equal) is a downgrade, but not a huge one. factoring in the money, i'm fine with the swap.
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11:08a, 7/14/14
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it's pretty apparent that morey does not believe he can win a title without a 3rd superstar.


He's right. Dwight and Harden aren't Shaq and Kobe. They aren't Duncan and Robinson. They aren't Jordan and Pippen.
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11:10a, 7/14/14
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Imagine the Rockets roster if Alexander had allowed us to tank. Daryl is swordfighting in a gunfight.
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11:11a, 7/14/14
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i was pretty pissed at morey, but mostly because i feel like he just miscalculated what chandler would get once made available. i think it is pretty obvious he didn't think chandler would get max money and i'm not sure it should have been that surprising for someone dialed in.


Agree.

And Morey is right that Chandler's contract is untradeable. But that is by nature because Cubes didnt' want Morey to match and then end up using a 1y15 or 2y30 chip to get Love or something useful. 15% trade kicker hurts him a lot because he wants to deal more than most GMs.

Morey lost his most valuable trade asset in a $900k Parsons. With room and Parsons and a $8mm-12mm player from this year's free agency, he may have been able to make a nice deal this year for someone good. He lost that opportunity to gamble on a very desirable player.
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11:27a, 7/14/14
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Morey lost his most valuable trade asset in a $900k Parsons. With room and Parsons and a $8mm-12mm player from this year's free agency, he may have been able to make a nice deal this year for someone good. He lost that opportunity to gamble on a very desirable player.
are you sure they could trade parsons after exercising the $900k option? if so, it seems even more incredible that they wouldn't just lock him up at $900k, knowing they could either trade him or extend him if they were successful in finding a third star.
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11:30a, 7/14/14
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Yes, they could still trade him up until the trade deadline. Then he could sign and trade him next summer to get something back.

He thought he would scare teams away from signing Parsons to an offer sheet and Parsons would do him a solid for getting paid early. But now Parsons is on a better team with a better coach making 15x what he would have made this year.

Stupid, stupid, stupid, indefensible move.
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11:32a, 7/14/14
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Minnesota wasn't going to trade for an expiring Parsons. NO WAY he would resign in ****ty Minnesota
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11:32a, 7/14/14
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This could actually get worse too. The Parsons misstep is bad, but giving away our backup center and PG for nothing looks to be downright idiotic. They were both capable players and on expiring contracts. We are left with cap space and trade exceptions, but no real prospects to attract any talent. At best we are a home for a miscast overpaid player who a team needs to dump.

He also needs to sign up a capable backup center and hope that Cannan doesnt suck, both are dicey prospects.



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11:34a, 7/14/14
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Yes, they could still trade him up until the trade deadline. Then he could sign and trade him next summer to get something back.
but could you extend/re-sign parsons before he hits the open market as an unrestricted FA?
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11:35a, 7/14/14
i wouldn't call a 3-19 protected pick from new orleans "nothing"
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11:36a, 7/14/14
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Minnesota wasn't going to trade for an expiring Parsons. NO WAY he would resign in ****ty Minnesota


I bet a month ago you would have said "No one would ever pay Chandler Parsons 15mm a year."

And yet here we are. Crazy things happen in the NBA. Garnett signed multiple long term contracts in Minnesota.

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11:37a, 7/14/14
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Yes, they could still trade him up until the trade deadline. Then he could sign and trade him next summer to get something back.
but could you extend/re-sign parsons before he hits the open market as an unrestricted FA?


Yes. Just like Cleveland already did with Kyrie and like what SA will probably do with Kawhi.
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11:38a, 7/14/14
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i wouldn't call a 3-19 protected pick from new orleans "nothing"


Wouldn't surprise me for the Houston pick next year sent to LA to be in that range, too.

If New Orleans is healthy this year, they will take a major leap.
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11:38a, 7/14/14
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But now Parsons is on a better team with a better coach making 15x what he would have made this year.


False, true, true

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it's pretty apparent that morey does not believe he can win a title without a 3rd superstar. chandler is solid, but is clearly not a superstar and the contract the mavs offered him would keep morey from adding a third superstar. morey called it the "most untradeable contract i've ever seen".

so morey keeps his flexibility and will undoubtedly turn his attention to trying to find a trade for that, thus far, elusive third star.


You must have heard Morey this morning on 610. He basically said he is looking for that 3rd superstar and that while Parsons is a very good player who is getting better, he is not a 3rd superstar. Especially with the contract that Dallas offered. He admitted that it was a calculated risk by not keeping Parsons at $1m for next year but every move he makes has the end goal in mind of winning a championship. If Bosh had signed then he would have matched Dallas's contract in a heartbeat. Since Bosh didn't sign then Morey would have locked the Rockets into having Howard, Harden and Parsons as their big 3 for the next 3 years. It basically came down to Morey not believing that Howard, Harden and Parsons would bring Houston a championship. You may agree or disagree with him but that is his view.

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11:40a, 7/14/14
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it was a calculated risk by not keeping Parsons at $1m for next year but every move he makes has the end goal in mind of winning a championship.


It was a stupid move, not a calculated rick. He lost his #1 trade asset for nothing to his rival. That hurts his goal of winning a championship.
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11:44a, 7/14/14
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New Orleans' backcourt is pretty ****ty and injury prone. I don't see them as a playoff team.
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11:45a, 7/14/14
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Minnesota wasn't going to trade for an expiring Parsons. NO WAY he would resign in ****ty Minnesota


I bet a month ago you would have said "No one would ever pay Chandler Parsons 15mm a year."

And yet here we are. Crazy things happen in the NBA. Garnett signed multiple long term contracts in Minnesota.

[This message has been edited by Guitarsoup (edited 7/14/2014 10:36a).]




Garnett was drafted by Minnesota and went to HS in Chicago. If you think Parsons (Florida native) was willing to move to a frozen tundra then you're foolish. Minnesota is chasing after klay Thompson (better than Parsons) and a package from Cleveland that is 10x better than anything we could have offered

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11:47a, 7/14/14
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Why is everybody forgetting about Alonzo Gee?
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11:47a, 7/14/14
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In hindsight he should have kept Parsons another year and dealt with this whole thing next off-season. You also have another year to evaluate Parsons in case you do think he's worth that type of money. Also, Dallas likely moves onto a guy like Ariza or Deng and the market for Parsons maybe isn't as strong next off-season.

I understand what Morey was trying to do and it's easy to say he was wrong now. But I don't see how you could spin it and say he made the right decision. He went for the home run and struck out. The Rockets aren't in horrible shape or anything because of it but they aren't better off then they were. JMO of course.
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11:51a, 7/14/14
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Morey probably just wanted to be able to trade Parsons in a few years when Durant is a free agent. Get his deal started now and have him be an expiring contract that off-season.
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