******Rockets Offseason Roster Moves******* [Staff Warning on page 72]

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Ulrich
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RE: Tim vs. Bosh, it kind of depends on whether 2012-2014 Bosh is the real Bosh now or if he still has a lot more to offer (like in previous seasons) that the Heat just weren't using. EDIT: Duncan may well play defensive C in that matchup, so there will be a crossmatch with Tiago/Diaw on Bosh. The Spurs screw with their lineups and positions too much for this to be a simple comparison.

With Bosh and Parsons Houston is equipped to give anyone a fight, but like last year when Harden+Howard supposedly equaled a title they still have a lot to prove before you can call them better than the Spurs.

Unless the Rockets go way, way into the tax the Spurs bench will be immensely better, the Spurs still have an advantage at two starting positions, a draw at a third, have a lot of guys to throw at Howard, still play much better defense, have a much better coach, truckloads of championship/deep playoff experience, and play the best team ball in the league.

As a Spurs fan, I'm wondering if Bosh to the Rockets influences the Spurs to make a stronger play for Gasol or McRoberts and lock up Bonner and Baynes where they might have let one go before. Bonner pisses Howard off and Baynes can wear him down for a few minutes at a time, which will be important if we're going to have Tiago chasing Bosh around. I doubt that anything anyone does is a major factor in the Spurs decision making, but I'll be a little more comfortable with more bigs to throw at Bosh/Howard, Ibaka/Perkins/Adams/McGary, and Gasol/Randolph. I'll probably repost/expand on this in the Spurs thread.

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Harden can handle primary PG duties. Find a Kerr to put next to him.
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LeBron James, Dan Gilbert, Rich Paul and Maverick Carter met for 4 hours in Miami last week and talked through it all, Gilbert tells Yahoo.


Shocking that no one found this out with today's technology
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They knew about it. People were tracking Gilbert's plane to Miami.
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Steve Kerr is 48 years old. I don't think that's gonna work.
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I bet Kerr could hit 45% of his threes still.
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Harden can handle primary PG duties. Find a Kerr to put next to him.

Isn't Jimmer a free agent?
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Unfortunately the only PG he could adequately defend just got traded to the Knicks
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Isn't Jimmer a free agent?



Isn't Utah offering him a max deal?
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If you're Miami, don't you have to listen to sign and trade offers if Bosh decides to leave?
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Is next year's free agency supposed to be anything like this year's? Because if so, I might spend some time to actually learn how all this works and then build a payroll simulator to take all of the guesswork out. I'm pretty sure the Rockets are going to pay a crap ton of tax this year with Bosh and Parsons even if they do manage to move Asik and Lin and sign a bunch of spares. Next year will be apocalyptic.
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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2m
Sources say Houston Rockets trying to trade Jeremy Lin to the Los Angeles Lakers. Report now on @SportsCenter
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Sources say Houston Rockets trying to trade Jeremy Lin to the Los Angeles Lakers. Report now on @SportsCenter
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Morey does it again. Dude is a witch. He turned this crap roster into a starting 5 of Dwight Bosh Harden Parsons and Bev. Amazing.
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So is Lin just going to bounce around to all the teams with big Asian demos until they all give up?
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If you're Miami, don't you have to listen to sign and trade offers if Bosh decides to leave?



Yeah, absolutely. But do you want to pay Lin+Asik $30mm as consolation to losing LeBron and Bosh?
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Morey does it again. Dude is a witch. He turned this crap roster into a starting 5 of Dwight Bosh Harden Parsons and Bev. Amazing.

Not yet he hasn't. Still gotta get rid of Lin and Asik first
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If you're Miami, don't you have to listen to sign and trade offers if Bosh decides to leave?


Absolutely. If nothing else, to get yourself a large trade exception that you can keep in your back pocket over the next year
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Yeah, absolutely. But do you want to pay Lin+Asik $30mm as consolation to losing LeBron and Bosh?

Oh hell no. No way I'd take Lin. Houston will have to use a 3rd team for him IMO. But Asik (or the pick New Orleans is giving up for him) plus Jones and filler (Canaan, Nick Johnson, Clint Capela?) sounds a hell of a lot better than nothing. Then use the cap room you have to make a run at Eric Bledsoe.
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Not yet he hasn't. Still gotta get rid of Lin and Asik first

Houston still has to:
1. Get rid of Lin (who no one wants)
2. Get rid of Asik (who people will be willing but not happy to pay)
3. Beat out everyone else's max contracts for Bosh, some of whom are in better position to offer more
4. Beat Dallas for Chandler
5. Do all this without losing all of your solid players including Beverley to make the Lin/Asik trades palatable
6. Have an owner willing to pay millions in taxes
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"Get rid of Lin (who no one wants)"


Milwaukee, Philadelphia and LA have all proven that wrong
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Not yet he hasn't. Still gotta get rid of Lin and Asik first

Houston still has to:
1. Get rid of Lin (who no one wants)
2. Get rid of Asik (who people will be willing but not happy to pay)
3. Beat out everyone else's max contracts for Bosh, some of whom are in better position to offer more
4. Beat Dallas for Chandler
5. Do all this without losing all of your solid players including Beverley to make the Lin/Asik trades palatable
6. Have an owner willing to pay millions in taxes
All of that will get done quite easily.
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Not yet he hasn't. Still gotta get rid of Lin and Asik first

Houston still has to:
1. Get rid of Lin (who no one wants)
2. Get rid of Asik (who people will be willing but not happy to pay)
3. Beat out everyone else's max contracts for Bosh, some of whom are in better position to offer more
4. Beat Dallas for Chandler
5. Do all this without losing all of your solid players including Beverley to make the Lin/Asik trades palatable
6. Have an owner willing to pay millions in taxes



Bosh is coming to Houston if the room is cleared. Period. They will retain Parsons now. Les will pay
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4. Beat Dallas for Chandler

If we sign Bosh by Sunday we'll match Chandler no problem

The rest of your "what-ifs" are totally right, though


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Les will pay this year. What happens next year and the following year will be what is interesting. Will he refuse to use all avenues to get good bench players to handle the depth?
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Not yet he hasn't. Still gotta get rid of Lin and Asik first

Houston still has to:
1. Get rid of Lin (who no one wants)
2. Get rid of Asik (who people will be willing but not happy to pay)
3. Beat out everyone else's max contracts for Bosh, some of whom are in better position to offer more
4. Beat Dallas for Chandler
5. Do all this without losing all of your solid players including Beverley to make the Lin/Asik trades palatable
6. Have an owner willing to pay millions in taxes


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#5 on that list is the difference between "very good" and "great", which is ultimately the point. But, I do get the feeling that the rest of it will happen.
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Somehow I doubt Les is going to just continue paying the escalating repeater tax year after year when it starts becoming a crazy number.


We all know you hope so
Ulrich
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Any one of those things are totally doable, but none of them are sure things and getting all 6 to happen.... Ignoring obvious dependencies, lets say Houston is 3:1 to get Bosh, 4:1 to get Parsons, has a 75% chance of getting someone to take Lin, a 90% chance of getting rid of Asik, and a 60% chance of keeping the majority of "the rest of the gang". Further, lets assume that Alexander is willing to pay whatever it takes to make all this happen.


You have a 24.3% chance of pulling off.

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In the past 15 years, Les has paid less than $1mm in tax. Rockets are in the bottom of the league in tax paid. I don't think it is unfair to question how much he wants to spend on the team.
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To be fair it is more like this:

1. Get rid of Lin without giving up too much in the form of young players or draft picks
2. Beat out everyone else's max contracts for Bosh/Convince him Houston is the best place (alreday happened supposedly)
3. Get rid of Asik
4. Be willing to match Dallas for Chandler
5. Do all this without losing Beverley
6. Have an owner willing to pay millions in taxes this year and going forward.

This is all doable. I think #1 and #6 are the tough ones.

Also, if they pull this off, are Harden, Howard, Parsons and Bosh all good with spreading the touches and shots around, whiles still putting the ball in a PGs hand a ton to actually run the offense and all collectively work on their defense? Sometimes these dream teams aren't always as good as they look on paper. This one looks quite formidable though.

It looked like Parsons was having fun with Cuban in Dallas, how does he feel about coming back to Houston possibly against his desires to be the 4th wheel? It's not like all these guys joined together deliberately like the Heat did. It should be worth watching for sure.
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The non Rocket fans on here are... Well... Not my favorite.
 
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