I'm not going to go out on a limb. There is no reason to use #BeWell in a comparision with some potential Rockets bench players because they're young an inexperienced.

The three of them have less than 150 more NBA points than you.

You simply cannot count on them for significant production this year.

If you get it, you will have a great bonus.

Same thing with Anderson for the Spurs. Or Chandler when he was a rookie.

You just don't know what you have over an extended period of time and can't count on it. You may very well luck out and have something nice, but the data isn't there to support believing in them to take over major roles in the rotation.

Beginning to think that Parsons holds a "special" place in Soup's heart...

Is it just me or is GuitarSoup wearing anyone else out on this thread?

We get it...Spurs are great and Rockets suck. How many times can you tell us?

If you don't want to talk about the current events of the NBA, feel free to go somewhere else.

As a spurs fan GS you should know that its not about the regular season but the playoffs. Lin and Asik were no better than the other bench players in the playoffs. Losing them and their $15 a year salaries was good regardless of what we got in return. And now we have at least the potential for a trade to solidify a solid playoff roster.

It is odd how Spurs fans felt so called to tell Rockets fans that we vastly overhyped Parsons, and yet now that he is gone, you would think that we just let LeBron James walk out that door judging by some of their comments. It is a fascinating development

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Lin and Asik were no better than the other bench players in the playoffs. Losing them and their $15 a year salaries was good regardless of what we got in return.

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It was good that they got rid of them, but bad that they got rid of them for nothing. You lost your 6th and 7th players on the team without a replacement, that is bad.

And for winning in the playoffs, you need more depth than just a starting five. Look at what happened with Miami. The three stars were worn out from having to cover everything all year for the non-existent bench.

Just letting Asik/Lin go for nothing wouldn't be that big of a deal if they didn't let Parsons walk, too. So they lost 3 of their 7 rotational players rather than 2 of 7 and they lost them late enough where most of the good replacements had already chosen to sign elsewhere.

With 16mm in space from those two moves and keeping Parsons at 1mm, go for the solid double.

Anthony Morrow for a bench shooter (also keeps OKC from getting him). Jordan Hill back to Houston for PF/C. Maybe Channing Frye instead. Isaiah Thomas or DJ Augustin for PG.

Getting Bosh would have been a home run, at the expense of depth.

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It is odd how Spurs fans felt so called to tell Rockets fans that we vastly overhyped Parsons, and yet now that he is gone, you would think that we just let LeBron James walk out that door judging by some of their comments. It is a fascinating development

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Its fascinating that Rockets fans thought he was the second best SF in the West in May and now Ariza isn't really a downgrade to Rockets fans.

Parsons is a top 4 SF in the West. Not sure Ariza makes that cut. We just think Kawhi is better than Chandler. That hasn't changed.

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It is odd how Spurs fans felt so called to tell Rockets fans that we vastly overhyped Parsons, and yet now that he is gone, you would think that we just let LeBron James walk out that door judging by some of their comments. It is a fascinating development

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I was just thinking this too.

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It is odd how Spurs fans felt so called to tell Rockets fans that we vastly overhyped Parsons, and yet now that he is gone, you would think that we just let LeBron James walk out that door judging by some of their comments. It is a fascinating development

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I was just thinking this too.

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Lin and Asik were no better than the other bench players in the playoffs. Losing them and their $15 a year salaries was good regardless of what we got in return. And now we have at least the potential for a trade to solidify a solid playoff roster.

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We didnt lose that series because of Lin and Asik, we lost it because James Harden was too inconsistent on both ends of the floor.
IF we get a trade to solidify our roster it MIGHT be worth just giving those two players away. The salaries are irrelevant if we dont make a trade, they were both expiring contracts! If we just kept the entire team intact and left Parson's on his old contract we would have had 17 million in cap space next year, now we only have ~8.

Currently we are a much much much worse team than last year. Hopefully Morey has some trade magic left in his tank. If we some how come away with Love or Rondo, it will have been worth it.

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Its a simple debate. Take no risks, keep the team for one final stand that might end up in the 2nd round or conference finals (with hot shooting). Or take a risk and be a title contender for the next 5 years. He took a risk and maybe that means a first round exit. So we're worse than we were last year.

I'd rest Howard and Harden the whole season to win the lottery. But we'll march out with Ariza and lose honorably in the first round for no reason.

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Its a simple debate. Take no risks, keep the team for one final stand that might end up in the 2nd round or conference finals (with hot shooting). Or take a risk and be a title contender for the next 5 years. He took a risk and maybe that means a first round exit. So we're worse than we were last year.

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Releasing Parsons was an unnecessary risk. High-risk, low reward. And it backfired hugely. So many Rockets fans seem incapable of admitting this on here.

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That's exactly what happened. So how is this all Moreys fault? **** happens

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Who was the GM that signed Lin to that ridiculous contract?

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I was. Working for the Rockets when this happened. This was very much like a McNair/Ed Reed situation. Les told Morey to sign Lin

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That's exactly what happened. So how is this all Moreys fault? **** happens

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Who was the GM that signed Lin to that ridiculous contract?

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Explains why you aren'r working for them anymore.

Is Mr.Alexander secretly the worst owner in Houston? Is that even possible?

If he is dictating poor basketball moves in an effort to sell more ads to China while the Rockets are already immensely profitable, he isn't a great owner.

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This is a Houston Rockets thread in case you missed it Soup.

I'll bet McHale is back because Les doesn't want to pay out McHale and whatever a new coach (lionel hollins) would cost.

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I'll bet McHale is back because Les doesn't want to pay out McHale and whatever a new coach (lionel hollins) would cost.

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Well he is a Jew

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Parsons at 1y900k is a much more valuable asset than nothing at all. Especially when you have the cap space to absorb salaries back.

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But not nearly as valuable as a contract with multiple years left, that's the point. Teams in general only like to trade for upcoming UFA's/expiring contracts if they are trying to get long-term money off their books, which in general means the expiring contract is large and being paid to a player who's not performing to that salary. Parsons doesn't fit that profile at all, a young guy who has shown promise and potential and who has his best years ahead of him is not attractive with only 1 year left at $965k from a blockbuster/roster-reshaping trade point of view.

The denver nuggets Carmelo Anthony trade from 3+ years ago is a good example of the kind of trade for the rockets that you're talking about. In that trade, Denver took back 4 players and 3 draft picks:

Gallinari: at time of trade denver had control of player for 1 more year then RFA

Chandler: at time of trade denver had control through RFA

Felton: at time of trade had control for 1 more year before UFA

Mozgov: at time of trade denver had control for 2 more years before RFA.


So they only took back 1 expiring contract out of 4 players. Deron williams is another example. When Utah traded him to the nets, they got back Favors and Harris. Favors had 3 more years before becoming RFA, Harris had 2 more years before UFA, so zero expiring contracts involved.


So rockets fans suggesting that 3 expiring contracts like Parsons + Lin + Asik + draft picks was going to bring in a player of Love's caliber just wasn't going to happen. Teams in Minnesota's position do not give up a player of Love's caliber for 3 expiring contracts and a couple of draft picks, it just doesn't work that way, and if rockets fans thought a trade like that was realistic, then I have to say that was some delusional hopeful thinking.

Just stop responding to gs. The Internet must know his opinion on Houston. 7 million times.

And by the way how they handled Parsons was high risk, enormous reward. It didn't work out how he wanted it. Now we see what morey does to fix it.

Just stop responding to gs. The Internet must know his opinion on Houston. 7 million times.

And by the way how they handled Parsons was high risk, enormous reward. It didn't work out how he wanted it. Now we see what morey does to fix it.

I heard a bit of the DM interviews. He obviously didn;t come out and say it, but it basically sounds like DM didn't think Chandler was worth anywhere near what was being offered. If they matched then they basically set with Chandler as the third best player for the next 3 years. That isn't putting the Rockets in a position to win a championship.

another thing to keep in mind...it's a long, long, long list of professional athletes that have great seasons in a contract year. But then once they get paid...don't produce at that level (and sometimes any level) anymore

Are you saying that for Ariza? Or that Chandler was playing for that first big contract after his rookie deal?

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+1 Well said.....

Pretty sure W is talking about ariza

i disagree that harden was inconsistent on both ends of the court. he was painfully consistent on the defensive end.

Personally I think Parsons will improve under better coaching. Carlisle is a great coach.


I'm surprised to see that some of the people here don't think the Rockets were championship caliber with Parsons as the 3rd option. I think the exact team they had last year was good enough to win the ship with a competent coach.


I think Morey was very impatient. I understand always trying to improve. I understand the Parsons gambit was high risk high reward... but why do it? Giving the current core 2-3 years making low risk moves and minor adjustments seems much more intelligent than swinging for the fences after hitting two home runs the previous two offseasons. DM was likely feeling bulletproof.

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And by the way how they handled Parsons was high risk, enormous reward. It didn't work out how he wanted it. Now we see what morey does to fix it.

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It wasn't high-risk, enormous reward at all. Not even close. Everyone knew that Parsons would make 8-12mm on the market. He got more than that because he was a RFA and Cubes wanted to make sure it was a difficult decision to match - same as the Lin/Asik contracts 2 years ago.

It was high-risk, low reward because your other option was to keep Parsons for one more year at a ridiculously cheap salary and a year where he is playing for a new contract.

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He obviously didn;t come out and say it, but it basically sounds like DM didn't think Chandler was worth anywhere near what was being offered. If they matched then they basically set with Chandler as the third best player for the next 3 years. That isn't putting the Rockets in a position to win a championship.

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I think most people agree with this and I agree that was the thrust of what he said. I think Cuban would tell you in private that 15mm is overpaying for Chandler, but it is worth it to get him away from Houston and to greatly improve Dallas. Especially when you consider that he has his big three locked in for 33mm and will have max money available next year, too.

Because Morey made Parsons a free agent and then had to scramble to replace him with Ariza, Morey no longer has the luxury of having max cap space for a free agent next summer.

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But not nearly as valuable as a contract with multiple years left, that's the point.

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This is irrelevant, though. Morey didn't have the option of having Parsons for a number of years at a reasonable salary. He had the option of 1 year at 900k or 0 years or 4-5 years at high money or 3y/46. That's it. He got 0 years and 1y900k was a better option.

Had Morey kept Parsons this year on that 900k contract, he still would have had max room when he moved Linsik, but he would have had Parsons, still, too. And if he struck out, he would still have max room next year, too. Now he has less than Max room because of the Ariza contract and he didn't replace two rotational players.

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Teams in general only like to trade for upcoming UFA's/expiring contracts if they are trying to get long-term money off their books, which in general means the expiring contract is large and being paid to a player who's not performing to that salary.

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There are usually multiple things involved. Many times it is a big contract that is ending (like the Dampier for Chandler trade.) Many times it is combination of talented, young players, ending contracts and picks/euro assets. Chandler does fit that profile. And because the Rockets have ample cap space to absorb the contract, they don't have to send a guy with a big contract back and that is more valuable than a team having to pay someone they don't want for a year to get rid of a big star that doesn't want to be there. When Memphis/LA did the Gasol trade, do you think Memphis would have rather had Kwame Brown for 1y9mm or 9mm extra cap space the first year plus the young players on 1 year contracts and draft picks? Most teams would take the young players and skip the expiring contracts on players they don't want if they had a choice. Just most of the time, teams don't have the cap space to absorb a max contract, so it doesn't matter.