Beverly, Harden, Parsons, Bosh, Howard is the best team in the west, IMO. 4th....? you're trolling, surely
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Jason McLaed (@InsiderJayNBA)
7/11/14, 11:39 AM
Bosh received word late last night, HOU already placed contract on Bosh's hands ready to go once cap is cleared. Will match parsons too
The Spurs are the top team in the West until proven otherwise.
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Chiacgo. LA. Dallas if Houston matches Parsons. Charlotte. Phoenix. Orlando.
This is how I know you don't know what you are talking about. HOU won't match Parsons until AFTER Bosh signs.
What was the rockets record against the spurs last year......? Oh okay just wondering
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The amount of spurs fans that care so deeply about the rockets offseason tells me everything I need to know
Rockets with a starting five of:
Howard/Bosh/Parsons/Harden/Beverley is pretty scary.
Howard/Bosh/Jordan Hamilton/Harden/Canaan is a lot less scary.
Rockets have a huge swing here between fantastic offseason and title contender and made some moves but is about the same and OMG, they blew the entire off season.
If they get Bosh they will also match Parsons. There is no possibility of them ending up with Bosh w/o Parsons.
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Rockets have a huge swing here between fantastic offseason and title contender and made some moves but is about the same and OMG, they blew the entire off season.
No doubt about that
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Houston and Chris Bosh moving quickly on securing deal, and with Bosh, Rockets will match Chandler Parsons offer sheet, source tells Yahoo.
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What was the rockets record against the spurs last year......? Oh okay just wondering
OKC was 4-0 in the regular season against San Antonio. How'd that work out for them?
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This is how I know you don't know what you are talking about. HOU won't match Parsons until AFTER Bosh signs.
Thanks, genius. That's the only way it can happen. I know you haven't been paying attention through the other 30 pages, but it has been discussed ad nauseam.
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Howard/Bosh/Parsons/Harden/Beverley is pretty scary.
That's exactly what its going to be.
Time to get out that check book Les
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Time to get out that check book Les
That is what it will take. Les has paid less than $1mm in luxury tax in the last 15 years. This year may end up being ~$7.5mm.
Beverly - Parker Adv Spurs
Harden - Green Adv Rockets
Parsons - Kawhi Push or slightest of Adv Spurs
Bosh - Duncan Push
Howard - Splitter Adv Rockets
Bench - Adv Spurs and not even close
Coaching - Adv Spurs and not even close
Bev - Westbrook Adv Thunder
Harden - Jackson? Adv Rockets
Parsons - Durant Adv Thunder
Bosh - Ibaka Push - hard to say; one dominates defense, both stretch floor
Howard - Adams Adv Rockets
Bench - Push
Coaching - Push
Bev - Paul Adv Clippers
Harden - Redick Adv Rockets
Parson - Barnes Adv Rockets
Bosh - Griffin Adv Clippers
Howard - Jordan Adv Rockets
Bench - Adv CLippers
Coach - Adv Clippers
So no, they aren't head and shoulders above any of those teams.
Harden - Green Adv Rockets
Parsons - Kawhi Push or slightest of Adv Spurs
Bosh - Duncan Push
Howard - Splitter Adv Rockets
Bench - Adv Spurs and not even close
Coaching - Adv Spurs and not even close
Bev - Westbrook Adv Thunder
Harden - Jackson? Adv Rockets
Parsons - Durant Adv Thunder
Bosh - Ibaka Push - hard to say; one dominates defense, both stretch floor
Howard - Adams Adv Rockets
Bench - Push
Coaching - Push
Bev - Paul Adv Clippers
Harden - Redick Adv Rockets
Parson - Barnes Adv Rockets
Bosh - Griffin Adv Clippers
Howard - Jordan Adv Rockets
Bench - Adv CLippers
Coach - Adv Clippers
So no, they aren't head and shoulders above any of those teams.
@BrettNBA: By all indications Chris Bosh will be with the Houston Rockets before the days ends.
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Morey screwed up by not keeping Parsons an extra year at less than a mil. Rockets fans are trying to do as many mental gymnastics as they can to justify it being a good decision, but it wasn't. He screwed the pooch.
I'm not a rockets fan, but I don't think the pooch was screwed. If bosh comes and they match parsons, now you have a solid quartet locked in for 3 years.
If morey hadn't made parsons a RFA, then you can lose parsons after next year even if you offer the max, because he's an UFA and can fall in love with someone else.
At that point, you're over the cap because of your big 3, so you only can offer the MLE. I don't think you can find a player of parsons caliber for the MLE, and I think that's what morey was thinking.
Lock him in now into this ~3 year window you have with Howard and harden. It makes sense. You're paying $15M this year or next, one year of extra luxury tax doesn't really matter since they made $40M profit this year alone.
Do you think Parsons would have taken less money elsewhere when the Rockets have Bosh/Howard/Harden next year? I don't.
I will admit that if Houston roll out a starting lineup of Bev, Parsons, Bosh, Harden and Howard they are instantly a top 2-3 team in the league.
I am still not convinced the Rockets are better than the Spurs or OKC and I have major doubts about McHale, but the west got much tougher.
As an admitted Spurs fan i would still rank it as follows:
Parker > Beverly
Green < Harden
Leonard > Parsons
Duncan > Bosh
Splitter < Howard
Plus the Spurs have the better bench and a better coach. Plus PG play and defense often wins championships and the Spurs have an edge there.
It will be one hell of a battle in the west though. I still think the same deal could have been done with parsons under his rookie scale, but it isn't my money so if the rockets owner wants to pay the tax then have at it. Good offseason by the rockets for sure from a fans perspective.
I am still not convinced the Rockets are better than the Spurs or OKC and I have major doubts about McHale, but the west got much tougher.
As an admitted Spurs fan i would still rank it as follows:
Parker > Beverly
Green < Harden
Leonard > Parsons
Duncan > Bosh
Splitter < Howard
Plus the Spurs have the better bench and a better coach. Plus PG play and defense often wins championships and the Spurs have an edge there.
It will be one hell of a battle in the west though. I still think the same deal could have been done with parsons under his rookie scale, but it isn't my money so if the rockets owner wants to pay the tax then have at it. Good offseason by the rockets for sure from a fans perspective.
Parker > Beverly
Green < Harden
Leonard > Parsons
Duncan > Bosh
Splitter < Howard
This is fair. Although I think bosh and Duncan are nearly a push
Green < Harden
Leonard > Parsons
Duncan > Bosh
Splitter < Howard
This is fair. Although I think bosh and Duncan are nearly a push
I don't see them being significantly better than LAC, who have been playing together for a lot longer, and now have an actual decent coach. They also had a decent offseason.
Duncan isn't better than bosh at this point in his career. Otherwise agree
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WOJ: Rival GM: "Houston is trying to clear the deck. Everyone in play except for their man guys." Max space for Bosh, on the way.
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Duncan isn't betted than bosh at this point in his career. Otherwise agree
He was in June. He outplayed Bosh by a large margin in the Finals.
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Duncan isn't better than bosh at this point in his career.
Nor is he worse. Bosh can't guard Duncan on the block with the game on the line. Duncan probably isn't going to make it out on Bosh to cover the 3.
In a Spurs - Rockets playoff matchup, I see the Spurs going small a lot with Diaw so he can pass circles around Dwight and Bosh.
Sorry, but the Rockets do not magically become "the best team in the West" by signing Bosh and resigning Parson...
Why? Because to do so, they are going to have to gut their bench...
One of the top starting 5 in the NBA? Sure, no dobut...but you gotta have a bench to win championships...
Why? Because to do so, they are going to have to gut their bench...
One of the top starting 5 in the NBA? Sure, no dobut...but you gotta have a bench to win championships...
Plus we still have McHale...
Yeah, people keep forgetting that all the Rockets are doing is gutting their depth completely from last year's team and adding Bosh.
That will work out fine until the playoffs roll around and their starters are playing 40+ minutes because they have a bunch of guys on the bench playing for the minimum.
Had the Rockets went out and hired Lionel Hollins, they could have neutralized a lot of their depth problems because he is a great defensive coach and always seemed to get a lot from his bench players.
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That will work out fine until the playoffs roll around and their starters are playing 40+ minutes because they have a bunch of guys on the bench playing for the minimum.
Had the Rockets went out and hired Lionel Hollins, they could have neutralized a lot of their depth problems because he is a great defensive coach and always seemed to get a lot from his bench players.
[This message has been edited by aggie_2001_2005 (edited 7/11/2014 12:22p).]
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Do you think Parsons would have taken less money elsewhere when the Rockets have Bosh/Howard/Harden next year? I don't.
No but I don't think morey was looking forward to having to offer parsons 5 years and $85M to keep suitors away. If they get bosh, then he will match because he doesn't have another choice. Like I said, there was a 50% chance chandler was going to get offered something like 3 or 4 years starting at $8 or $9M this year. The rockets decided that was worth seeing if that could happen.
On the flip side, the rockets will match this thing at the last possible minute. Cuban has tied up all his cap space for 3 days on a player it doesn't appear he's going to get. If that costs him ariza or deng or Stephenson or anyone else they may have been interested in, then it's a huge backfire for Cuban. Both houston and Dallas decided to play some Texas hold 'em, they're taking some calculated gambles for sure.
[This message has been edited by Cdhaggie07 (edited 7/11/2014 12:24p).]
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That will work out fine until the playoffs roll around and their starters are playing 40+ minutes because they have a bunch of guys on the bench playing for the minimum.
But to be fair to Houston...I think it's worth the gamble...
They could get lucky and find several diamonds in the rough for cheap...it's not likely, but also not impossible...
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Yeah, people keep forgetting that all the Rockets are doing is gutting their depth completely from last year's team and adding Bosh.
That will work out fine until the playoffs roll around and their starters are playing 40+ minutes because they have a bunch of guys on the bench playing for the minimum.
Had the Rockets went out and hired Lionel Hollins, they could have neutralized a lot of their depth problems because he is a great defensive coach and always seemed to get a lot from his bench players.
[This message has been edited by aggie_2001_2005 (edited 7/11/2014 12:22p).]
Many teams play an 8 man rotation in the playoffs. Don't think it'd be too hard to find 2 or 3 vets that can fill that backup role.
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Cuban has tied up all his cap space for this past 3 days on a player he's not going to get. If that costs him ariza or den got Stephenson or anyone else they may have been interested, then it's a huge backfire for Cuban. Both houston and Dallas decided to play some Texas hold 'em, they're taking some calculated gambles for sure.
Still a good move by Cuban. Houston is in luxury tax before they extend Beverley (assuming they are able to keep him) and they have always avoided luxury tax. Houston has never been the team to spend anything and they have a gutted bench. Cuban is counting on a top heavy Houston where the stars aren't as good as Miami, with no bench and refusal to go deep into luxury tax to fill out a bench.
Meanwhile Cuban is trying to fill out a team like San Antonio that isn't overpaid, is deep, plays well together and is coached well. And Houston still has McHale and three starters that don't always give much defensive effort.
You can't really compare lineups to determine the outcome. Bosh gives the rocks hope because he's so versatile. Still, the spurs had everyone running in circles last year and McHale has never had a good defense.
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Many teams play an 8 man rotation in the playoffs. Don't think it'd be too hard to find 2 or 3 vets that can fill that backup role.
Miami didn't have it this year. And they had the best player in the league.
I agree the way the Spurs were playing small ball at the end of the year, poses some problems for the rest of the west that is deep in the post but will have a hard time playing small:
Bosh and Howard
Gasol and ZBo
Ibaka and Adams
Jordan and Griffin
Duncan and Splitter
even Dirk and Chandler are decent
What the rockets don't want to do is re-create the mistake that the Heat made, by having no PG and no bench. If they lose Beverly that could be a mess if they cant find a vet PG for the minimum. You could end up fatally flawed just like the heat were last year.
With all that depth in the post though, the Spurs would ideally get bigger just to give Duncan a rest if nothing else. It will be intresting to see where Pau goes now. If he is serious about a championship then Spurs, OKC or maybe Dallas are his only real options.
Good job Rockets. Texas is definitely the top state in the NBA right now.
Bosh and Howard
Gasol and ZBo
Ibaka and Adams
Jordan and Griffin
Duncan and Splitter
even Dirk and Chandler are decent
What the rockets don't want to do is re-create the mistake that the Heat made, by having no PG and no bench. If they lose Beverly that could be a mess if they cant find a vet PG for the minimum. You could end up fatally flawed just like the heat were last year.
With all that depth in the post though, the Spurs would ideally get bigger just to give Duncan a rest if nothing else. It will be intresting to see where Pau goes now. If he is serious about a championship then Spurs, OKC or maybe Dallas are his only real options.
Good job Rockets. Texas is definitely the top state in the NBA right now.
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