60 MINUTES this Sunday...[UFO Report]
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Man. I don't know what I would do in that situation. I just know it would creep me the hell out.
How far away from it would you say y'all were?
Regardless, thanks for sharing.
How far away from it would you say y'all were?
Regardless, thanks for sharing.
TCTTS said:Southlake said:
Sorry, didn't realize this thread would be so interesting. And it's so nice to be loved...
Most of the unexplained stuff I've seen has been over the North Atlantic, of course I mostly fly over the Atlantic to Europe but the Navy has a lot of test facilities on the Northeast Coast.
The next amount of stuff has been in Northern Arizona and Nevada but then again: lists of flight testing going on.
First major thing I saw was when I was flying a T-38 west of Phoenix around 20 thousand feet. Two white aircraft shot out about 5 thousand feet under me and pulled up about a half mile to my right. I asked ATC what they were and Albuquerque Center said they had no flight plan on them. They stayed to my right for about 30 seconds and then went straight up and whoosh, they were gone in 2 seconds. I was cruising at .97 Mach and they left me standing still. Strange thing was that they had no wings. Just a round shape like a sphere, not a saucer.
Through the years I've seen a lot of strange lights flying in vertical patterns that no jet could fly. And way too fast for a helicopter. Most of the time this was just off the NE coast or Western deserts. I always assumed these were some kind of high performance drones, but never knew for sure. Each time I asked ATC, they never knew nor had an active flight plan for a plane in that area.
But the strangest by far was on a clear night halfway between LA and Honolulu. A bright white sphere was flying above us and in an instant shot down to the surface and disappeared. We thought it actually crashed into the water. I guessed to went from 50 thousand feet to the surface in 3 seconds. But a few moments later, it reappeared in the same spot and shot straight up and stopped above us and to the right about 3 miles. It stopped, hovered and then accelerated straight up and out of sight.
I have no idea what these aircraft were. Maybe some advanced drone technology? Maybe an ET?
I'd imagine if they were hostile that we'd know by now.
Maybe it's in their Prime Directive not to mess with other civilizations. Simply knowing there was intelligent superior life elsewhere would shake the very core of all human belief.
But, yeah, it pretty cool to see that stuff.
Somehow missed this earlier. Incredible stuff, and thanks for sharing. Love hearing reports like this.
Too bad it was all merely swamp gas, rainbow sparkles, the moon reflecting off a blimp, or birds with laser pointers or whatever and there's absolutely no way you could have seen what you know you actually saw./TexAgs
Care to elaborate a little bit? Or lot bit?
I 100% believe in sightings. It's just a question of what and how.
Mind saying what you saw?Quote:
It was on my ranch in the summer of 2019. It was witnessed by myself, one of my sons, a couple of his friends, and several adults. We all just kind of stood there agape.
There are those who "know this" supposedly? You mean there are people who claim this? If any of them had proof, then this would have been settled long ago. People claim stuff all the time. The world would have ended many times over if even 1% of the people who claimed to "know" that it would happen were right.Spyderman said:I'd say they VERY much about us. What if they were in the "neighborhood" back on July 16, 1945? Some believe or know that they had a great deal to do with our very existence. This is where it gets somewhat disturbing I suppose. You need to remember that we are not dealing with just a single species etc. According to OUR science.. There is so much we don't know in terms of science and especially physics. Many of these species are HIGHLY psychic and telepathic. Supposedly, this is how they communicate with each other and yes, even us. My guess is that when a thermonuclear device is set off, they themselves pick up on it. Instantaneously, regardless of how many light years they are from us. Not a guess really, there are those who know this supposedly. Around 40% of all these alleged abductions involve some sort of mental, telepathic communication. Essentially most the communication centers around 2 issues:aTmAg said:Why wouldn't they come here, you ask? Because they know nothing about us since information (including radiation from nuclear bombs) cannot travel faster than the speed of light. Only civilizations within a 100 or so light years would even know we exist at all. Chances of any being that close is about as close to zero as it can get.Spyderman said:I think the better question might be why wouldn't they come here? Remember, the universe is something like 13 billion years old. What if there are civilizations out there that are millions, even likely billions of years in advance of us? Just ponder what we have done in the last 200 years of so. Life on other planets could very well be the norm instead of a rare event.aTmAg said:
Our radio emissions have only reached out to 120 light years away so far. That is only about 10% of THICKNESS of the milky way galaxy and .1% of it's width. Only about 15,000 stars have received our transmissions which is about 0.000005% of them within our galaxy alone). The chances of aliens being within that sphere AND having the technology to reach us within that time frame is pretty much zero.
So how would aliens know to come here of all places? That's like Earth being barren of all life, except for one ant hill somewhere. How would we know where to go to find those ants?
Some believe that once we split the atom and set off the first atomic bomb, that sent out a memo or sorts. Plausible given all the reported et craft "crashes" in New Mexico back in the '40s. Yeah, I might want to investigate a developing species that just accomplished that. Its documented that "they" rendered our nuclear armed ICBM's launchable back in the '60's. Obvious, at some of these cultures have our best interest at heart. Our planet is highly valued from what I hear.
1) We need to put away our nuclear devices and quit testing or using them.
2) We are screwing up this planets environment.
both are warnings
And I don't think you realize how tiny our neighborhood is compared to the rest of the universe. Our footprint is about 1.24*10^-27 of the size of the observable universe (and in 1945 it was much smaller). That means if you scale that down to the surface area of the Earth, our footprint would be about a thousand times smaller than a single atom. Even if I blow it up to a size of an atom, what are the chances that one particular atom on Earth would run into another particular atom? Pretty much zero.
Regarding instant telepathy and all of that stuff. That would still violate the speed of light rule. A violation of the speed of light rule causes logical contradictions and paradoxes. And even so.. if this species was so damn advanced that they could sense everything about us in their heads, then why would they bother coming all the way here? And if they did, why would they merely fly around for a couple seconds and then haul ass? If they didn't want to be seen, then they would have the technology to not be seen at all and we would never know. If they wanted to be seen, then they would be SEEN.
Seeing unexplained objects in the sky seems to be a human phenomena with reports going back as far as human writing has existed.
There is an innate human curiosity about what is beyond our planet, on the uncountable other planets, and why we exist or if we have a grander purpose.
Many focus on "UFO's", which despite it's generic meaning almost always meant suspected alien aircraft sightings when discussed among the general public.
Sightings are most common in developed countries, whether or not this is because these country's residents feel more free to report, or the secret human technologies not known to the public would of course exist in the most developed countries, or other life forms are most interested in our technologically advanced areas, or these countries are populated by people reading science fiction and watching movies about aliens for the past 100 years - who knows. You can argue the recently released videos are some new human technology, but obviously sightings predate any possibility that what was observed was human originated. But the most credible video was only released from past 20 years or so, so for those it is not impossible it is secret human technology being observed. I did post the NAvy patent earlier in this thread, it describes a technology we have not observed and could in theory be part of the explanation behind the videos - but it seems unlikely, for multiple reasons.
When considering the innumerable stars and planets that exist in the universe, it seems equally intimidating to consider the fact there could be hundreds if not thousands of advanced life forms out there or the fact that in that vast expanse we are the only one. Actually, thinking we are the only one is a bit more impactful to me. But I think it is something humans have pondered for a very long time, it seems to me that pre-industrial revolution, when the world was even more dominated by various religious/spiritual beliefs, these sightings would be attributed to Gods/spirits/celestial objects. Now that man has been to the moon (btw, only 66 years between the Wright brothers conquering flight and humans landing on the moon, so let's drop all assumptions about what civilizations that could be billions of years old are capable of) I think the sightings are more often attributed to other civilizations who are beyond our meager interplanetary accomplishments. So it's easy to think we are seeing unexplained behavior and just attributing it to what we want to believe, be it a religious or scientific type belief.
I've seen some say "everything changes" if it's confirmed to be an alien lifeform directing craft to our planet. What do you think changes? It's interesting to think about what the human reaction would be. More competition among countries, more cohesiveness to bring humanity together, vastly increased spending on space agencies, fear and chaos, collapse of religious beliefs, accelerate Super AI to "compete", on and on. I could imagine feeling some type of hopelessness - why bother if others so far more advanced exist and could crush us at any time - or some strong desire to "be more" as a species, being motivated to advance further and expand our planetary presence. I really don't know what would change, or happen, if definitely proven to the general populace that other intelligent life not only exists, but has visited our planet. Would the aliens accept bitcoin? THese are heady questions.
Definitely, not only in the worldwide reports but even in this thread, there are many reports and beliefs that make most people roll their eyes. And often these "fringe", or even mental illness induced, beliefs cloud the picture and lead to inaction. And it cant be denied reports in countries with science fiction had an incredible explosion in reports after this existed in popular media, and it also increased in the era of the space race and post-moon landing. But, no doubt we need to focus on "unexplained aircraft" both for national security - can't fall behind other country's capabilities - and to keep an open mind regarding the possibility of other visitors.
It's something that can be hard to find time to ponder, due to our busy lives, but every time a national discussion like this crops up it gets back into my consciousness. And gives me a headache to think about.
There is an innate human curiosity about what is beyond our planet, on the uncountable other planets, and why we exist or if we have a grander purpose.
Many focus on "UFO's", which despite it's generic meaning almost always meant suspected alien aircraft sightings when discussed among the general public.
Sightings are most common in developed countries, whether or not this is because these country's residents feel more free to report, or the secret human technologies not known to the public would of course exist in the most developed countries, or other life forms are most interested in our technologically advanced areas, or these countries are populated by people reading science fiction and watching movies about aliens for the past 100 years - who knows. You can argue the recently released videos are some new human technology, but obviously sightings predate any possibility that what was observed was human originated. But the most credible video was only released from past 20 years or so, so for those it is not impossible it is secret human technology being observed. I did post the NAvy patent earlier in this thread, it describes a technology we have not observed and could in theory be part of the explanation behind the videos - but it seems unlikely, for multiple reasons.
When considering the innumerable stars and planets that exist in the universe, it seems equally intimidating to consider the fact there could be hundreds if not thousands of advanced life forms out there or the fact that in that vast expanse we are the only one. Actually, thinking we are the only one is a bit more impactful to me. But I think it is something humans have pondered for a very long time, it seems to me that pre-industrial revolution, when the world was even more dominated by various religious/spiritual beliefs, these sightings would be attributed to Gods/spirits/celestial objects. Now that man has been to the moon (btw, only 66 years between the Wright brothers conquering flight and humans landing on the moon, so let's drop all assumptions about what civilizations that could be billions of years old are capable of) I think the sightings are more often attributed to other civilizations who are beyond our meager interplanetary accomplishments. So it's easy to think we are seeing unexplained behavior and just attributing it to what we want to believe, be it a religious or scientific type belief.
I've seen some say "everything changes" if it's confirmed to be an alien lifeform directing craft to our planet. What do you think changes? It's interesting to think about what the human reaction would be. More competition among countries, more cohesiveness to bring humanity together, vastly increased spending on space agencies, fear and chaos, collapse of religious beliefs, accelerate Super AI to "compete", on and on. I could imagine feeling some type of hopelessness - why bother if others so far more advanced exist and could crush us at any time - or some strong desire to "be more" as a species, being motivated to advance further and expand our planetary presence. I really don't know what would change, or happen, if definitely proven to the general populace that other intelligent life not only exists, but has visited our planet. Would the aliens accept bitcoin? THese are heady questions.
Definitely, not only in the worldwide reports but even in this thread, there are many reports and beliefs that make most people roll their eyes. And often these "fringe", or even mental illness induced, beliefs cloud the picture and lead to inaction. And it cant be denied reports in countries with science fiction had an incredible explosion in reports after this existed in popular media, and it also increased in the era of the space race and post-moon landing. But, no doubt we need to focus on "unexplained aircraft" both for national security - can't fall behind other country's capabilities - and to keep an open mind regarding the possibility of other visitors.
It's something that can be hard to find time to ponder, due to our busy lives, but every time a national discussion like this crops up it gets back into my consciousness. And gives me a headache to think about.
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Some believe that once we split the atom and set off the first atomic bomb, that sent out a memo or sorts. Plausible given all the reported et craft "crashes" in New Mexico back in the '40s. Yeah, I might want to investigate a developing species that just accomplished that.
always thought it was funny that they could navigate entire solar systems and universes to come to our tiny planet just to somehow crash in some ****ty new mexican desert.
How long did it emit the sparks?
maybe 3-4 seconds
I think everybody has seen something in their life that they cannot explain. Me included. Mine happened to be a weird animal that doesn't really exist. If it was a UFO, then I might believe in those right now. If it was something religious related, I may believe I was involved in a miracle of some sort. Luckily, in my case, it was something that is easy to prove as BS. I now assume it was me remembering a dream after the fact like it was reality. I occasionally have ridiculously vivid dreams that I forget about when I wake up, but then remember later.
I had one recently where my son told me he got a 52 on a college final. I didn't remember the dream at the time, but a couple days later my mom asked me how the kids were doing, and suddenly I remembered something about him flunking a final. I questioned myself if that was a real phone conversation or me remembering a dream. I concluded dream, and confirmed that to be right later.
Also.. realize that humans are terrible witnesses. There have been many studies where people remember things incorrectly, and then exaggerate the incorrect memories in their head over time.
I had one recently where my son told me he got a 52 on a college final. I didn't remember the dream at the time, but a couple days later my mom asked me how the kids were doing, and suddenly I remembered something about him flunking a final. I questioned myself if that was a real phone conversation or me remembering a dream. I concluded dream, and confirmed that to be right later.
Also.. realize that humans are terrible witnesses. There have been many studies where people remember things incorrectly, and then exaggerate the incorrect memories in their head over time.
edit: Replying to UrbanAg
That's an incredible story and wish you'd have thought to pull out your phone!
Because unfortunately that leaves us with... yet another incredible story.
Nothing about the post is attention-seeking, I have no reason to doubt your credibility, and the encounter sounds like, from the human perspective, about what you'd expect and reactions etc. It's a perfectly valid story and doesn't feel exaggerated nor a hoax. I'd love to believe this.
But I just can't.
That's an incredible story and wish you'd have thought to pull out your phone!
Because unfortunately that leaves us with... yet another incredible story.
Nothing about the post is attention-seeking, I have no reason to doubt your credibility, and the encounter sounds like, from the human perspective, about what you'd expect and reactions etc. It's a perfectly valid story and doesn't feel exaggerated nor a hoax. I'd love to believe this.
But I just can't.
TCTTS said:
It really does feel like the national conversation has changed completely in the last 48 hours.
Let's assume it's all real for a second.
Why are we talking about it now, 17 years later? And why is does it feel like there's a coordinated conversation that is 180 degrees from what it previously was?
Did it take 17 years to investigate it and decide that we didn't know what it was? Maybe I'm too cynical, but what is the purpose of having this conversation now? Feels a little "Wag the Dog" to me.
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agreed. seems almost blatantly obvious.
Were not really having this conversation now, the nyt article was released in 2019. The only reason it got released was because Elizando got it declassified while investigating it when he still worked for the government and then Mellon was able to get a copy of it after he left from a colleague (or something like that). I feel like the timing is more related to those two than anything politically motivated. The other videos haven't taken 15 years to surface.
What was 17 years ago?
The SR71 Blackbird was built 60 years ago. Military and research budgets have only ballooned since then. I 100% believe all of this is a psych-op against China. We're tilting our poker hand, so to speak.Harry Lime said:
It seems that most of the "official revelations" of the last couple years have centered around one guy trying to build up his business and media profile - Luis Elizondo.
Most of the other new movies have just featured the same old stuff from the same old mainstays of Coast to Coast AM.
I believe people really do see strange things, and I believe there really are advanced aircraft and drones being tested that are years ahead of official disclosure. But I don't feel like we're any closer to any substantive, earth-shaking revelations. And I always find it odd how little ufologists are willing to credit the possibility of human ingenuity and exponential advancements in man-made technology.
Harry Lime said:
What was 17 years ago?
I was referring to the fact that the video in the CNN link relates to an observation the pilot made in 2004.
I suppose if you were concerned about how coming out would affect your career, then maybe you wait until it has run its course and your pension is vested before you start speaking publicly.
PearlJammin said:The SR71 Blackbird was built 60 years ago. Military and research budgets have only ballooned since then. I 100% believe all of this is a psych-op against China. We're tilting our poker hand, so to speak.Harry Lime said:
It seems that most of the "official revelations" of the last couple years have centered around one guy trying to build up his business and media profile - Luis Elizondo.
Most of the other new movies have just featured the same old stuff from the same old mainstays of Coast to Coast AM.
I believe people really do see strange things, and I believe there really are advanced aircraft and drones being tested that are years ahead of official disclosure. But I don't feel like we're any closer to any substantive, earth-shaking revelations. And I always find it odd how little ufologists are willing to credit the possibility of human ingenuity and exponential advancements in man-made technology.
This is my number one thought. The blackbird was 60 years ago. The F-14 that was featured in top gun is almost 50 years old..... and we've spent countless billions of dollars on our air program since then and there have been crazy advances in technology, especially in electronics.
I think it's FAR more likely that this is us, or even another country, than it is aliens.
Wrec86 Ag said:PearlJammin said:The SR71 Blackbird was built 60 years ago. Military and research budgets have only ballooned since then. I 100% believe all of this is a psych-op against China. We're tilting our poker hand, so to speak.Harry Lime said:
It seems that most of the "official revelations" of the last couple years have centered around one guy trying to build up his business and media profile - Luis Elizondo.
Most of the other new movies have just featured the same old stuff from the same old mainstays of Coast to Coast AM.
I believe people really do see strange things, and I believe there really are advanced aircraft and drones being tested that are years ahead of official disclosure. But I don't feel like we're any closer to any substantive, earth-shaking revelations. And I always find it odd how little ufologists are willing to credit the possibility of human ingenuity and exponential advancements in man-made technology.
This is my number one thought. The blackbird was 60 years ago. The F-14 that was featured in top gun is almost 50 years old..... and we've spent countless billions of dollars on our air program since then and there have been crazy advances in technology, especially in electronics.
I think it's FAR more likely that this is us, or even another country, than it is aliens.
That being said, it still would be fun to be part of the generation that's around when aliens do show up.
Only bad thing is that we're 100% at the mercy of any civilization that can travel to us like that would require. If they wanted to wipe us out, we wouldn't even put up a fight.
Wrec86 Ag said:
If they wanted to wipe us out, we wouldn't even put up a fight.
no way. we'd District 9 their asses.
Wrec86 Ag said:
If they wanted to wipe us out, we wouldn't even put up a fight.
Speak for yourself, coward!
Unfortunately I'm not sure we can find a working PowerBook 5300 to upload the virus to the mothership.Fat Bib Fortuna said:Wrec86 Ag said:
If they wanted to wipe us out, we wouldn't even put up a fight.
Speak for yourself, coward!
Wrec86 Ag said:PearlJammin said:The SR71 Blackbird was built 60 years ago. Military and research budgets have only ballooned since then. I 100% believe all of this is a psych-op against China. We're tilting our poker hand, so to speak.Harry Lime said:
It seems that most of the "official revelations" of the last couple years have centered around one guy trying to build up his business and media profile - Luis Elizondo.
Most of the other new movies have just featured the same old stuff from the same old mainstays of Coast to Coast AM.
I believe people really do see strange things, and I believe there really are advanced aircraft and drones being tested that are years ahead of official disclosure. But I don't feel like we're any closer to any substantive, earth-shaking revelations. And I always find it odd how little ufologists are willing to credit the possibility of human ingenuity and exponential advancements in man-made technology.
This is my number one thought. The blackbird was 60 years ago. The F-14 that was featured in top gun is almost 50 years old..... and we've spent countless billions of dollars on our air program since then and there have been crazy advances in technology, especially in electronics.
I think it's FAR more likely that this is us, or even another country, than it is aliens.
I disagree. Literally "solving" gravity and being able to manipulate space-time is so far beyond that 60 year time period since the Blackbird. I don't care how much money they have. I guess, sure, technically, it's not out of the question - anything is possible - but it honestly seems more plausible that a civilization with even a thousand year head start is visiting us rather than us having made such gargantuan technological leaps; having solved gravity, conquered space-time, and harnessed the unfathomable amount of energy it would require to power such advanced tech.
Physics PhDs have detailed how these crafts are breaking all kinds of known laws of physics.
So, doubters can maybe explain that away?
So, doubters can maybe explain that away?
I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on the subject like you tend to do everywhere you show up.Redstone said:
Physics PhDs have detailed how these crafts are breaking all kinds of known laws of physics.
So, doubters can maybe explain that away?
But.... the last time Physics PhDs thought they knew the laws of physics, they discovered something new that changed their perception of the laws of physics.
To pretend like we know how everything works now is just as foolish as it was to the astronomers who thought the Earth was the center of the universe hundreds of years ago. 250 years from now, the humans will look back on us like we do the civilians of the American Revolution. Only difference is that they'll be able to read our internet posts which prove how stupid we actually are.
Oh, and I hope I get more blue stars than you do. (/joking)
Slight corrections to your assumptions.Redstone said:
Physics PhDs have detailed how these objectscrafts areappear to be breaking all kinds of known laws of physics.
So, doubters can maybe explain that away?
This is where I'm at; go to the international spy museum in DC, the spooks were running around with "cutting edge" technology we have today 30-40 years ago (or longer). My only question is if someone is piloting (inside or remotely) these UAPs, surely just 1 of them would have come out by now as a "Tic Tac" pilotWrec86 Ag said:PearlJammin said:The SR71 Blackbird was built 60 years ago. Military and research budgets have only ballooned since then. I 100% believe all of this is a psych-op against China. We're tilting our poker hand, so to speak.Harry Lime said:
It seems that most of the "official revelations" of the last couple years have centered around one guy trying to build up his business and media profile - Luis Elizondo.
Most of the other new movies have just featured the same old stuff from the same old mainstays of Coast to Coast AM.
I believe people really do see strange things, and I believe there really are advanced aircraft and drones being tested that are years ahead of official disclosure. But I don't feel like we're any closer to any substantive, earth-shaking revelations. And I always find it odd how little ufologists are willing to credit the possibility of human ingenuity and exponential advancements in man-made technology.
This is my number one thought. The blackbird was 60 years ago. The F-14 that was featured in top gun is almost 50 years old..... and we've spent countless billions of dollars on our air program since then and there have been crazy advances in technology, especially in electronics.
I think it's FAR more likely that this is us, or even another country, than it is aliens.
Well I would hope that it's unmanned since one of the theoretical traits of the types of gravity drives being mentioned in this thread is that it would basically reduce the ship and anything inside of it to atoms via Hawking radiation bombardment.
Well, that's the point, isn't it? SOMETHING seriously paradigm shifting is clearly happening, just by a materialist analysis alone.
Any craft that's manipulating gravity/space-time in that way, the pilot wouldn't feel a thing. It would be just like sitting/standing in a normal room, experiencing the standard 1G, etc. No added Gs, no feeling of acceleration/deceleration.
This definitely can't be discounted. We have friends that work in the defense industry and they've told us that we can't even imagine some of the capabilities that we have.SpreadsheetAg said:This is where I'm at; go to the international spy museum in DC, the spooks were running around with "cutting edge" technology we have today 30-40 years ago (or longer). My only question is if someone is piloting (inside or remotely) these UAPs, surely just 1 of them would have come out by now as a "Tic Tac" pilotWrec86 Ag said:PearlJammin said:The SR71 Blackbird was built 60 years ago. Military and research budgets have only ballooned since then. I 100% believe all of this is a psych-op against China. We're tilting our poker hand, so to speak.Harry Lime said:
It seems that most of the "official revelations" of the last couple years have centered around one guy trying to build up his business and media profile - Luis Elizondo.
Most of the other new movies have just featured the same old stuff from the same old mainstays of Coast to Coast AM.
I believe people really do see strange things, and I believe there really are advanced aircraft and drones being tested that are years ahead of official disclosure. But I don't feel like we're any closer to any substantive, earth-shaking revelations. And I always find it odd how little ufologists are willing to credit the possibility of human ingenuity and exponential advancements in man-made technology.
This is my number one thought. The blackbird was 60 years ago. The F-14 that was featured in top gun is almost 50 years old..... and we've spent countless billions of dollars on our air program since then and there have been crazy advances in technology, especially in electronics.
I think it's FAR more likely that this is us, or even another country, than it is aliens.
What's bull**** about this post is that you apparently have this kickass ranch in the hill country and you've never invited all of us to it.
WTF.
WTF.
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