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He claimed that the US Govt has remnants of a UFO, then when asked for details he says he can't talk about it because it's classified. But disclosing that our government has confirmed remnants of a UFO isn't classified? Give me a break. He's an entertainer, and good for him for scoring a spot on 60 mins and getting his 15

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This bugs me about Lue. He's likely already said enough to violate any secrecy agreement he signed. He needs to quit being coy and tell us what he knows.

Not claiming I believe Bob one way or the other, but at least Bob Lazar spelled out everything he claims to have seen. He laid it all out, answered questions, drew diagrams etc then just left it like this is what I saw either believe me or don't. To my knowledge I don't think Bob is writing books about it or getting paid speaker fees or traveling the comic-con circuit getting paid to take pictures/sign autographs. I could be wrong on that but it's a tangent.,

So back to Lue

It's time for him to **** or get off the pot.

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Question from Ron: At what point will your concern for humanity override your loyalty to non-disclosure agreements?

LE: It won't and it doesn't have to. The safety and concern for humanity is directly tied to my oath. I know it sounds like they are opposing each other but my oath to protect sensitive information is really not an oath to the government, it's an oath to you, it's an oath to the American people. And if I break that oath, even one time, then it's meaningless. It's like having a relationship with a spouse. Well, if I cheat on my spouse only one time, then it's okay. No, it's not. It's not. It's a compromise. It's an oath I've made to myself, it's an oath I made to you. I can never break that oath. And that's why we are doing what we're doing the way we're doing it because we can still have a conversation. It's a lot harder, by the way. I mean, believe me. I tell people, I used to be six foot four and long blonde hair before I started this job. I tell people, I'm only 27 for God's sake. But in reality, it's a lot of extra work to do it this way, but in the end, it's the right way. For me to break my oathyou can't break the law, to protect the law, in essence, is what I'm trying to say. And so for me, I take that oath very seriously, I will never violate that oath. Now what I will do is go right up to the line. And what I will do is work the system, so I don't have to violate that oath. And yes, there's a way to do it. It's not easy. And it takes a lot and there's no guarantees but it's been three years, and we've done it this way so far, and look where we are with the conversation. So, I don't think I have to break my oath, I don't think I need to. Look, if I broke that oath, guys, I'd have zero credibility. Because if I'm gonna break my oath for that, then I'll break my oath with everything else. I'll break my oath to tell the truth to you. So, you'd never be able to trust me again. Yeah, you might get an answer but you'd never trust me again. It's not worth it. I can't do that.

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RD: So can you talk about how the fact of you having security clearances affects the things that you can say to the public and how you say them? And the things that you know about that you can't talk about, publicly? Because it is clear to me, that at least a number of your detractors And I am not here just to like, blanket defend you, right? Because you've said things that I thought, okay, I don't reallyI've taken issue with some of the things you've said publicly about, "Well, we don't know what these things are." But I understand, I understand why. But I think some of your detractors don't really have an idea of this situation thatyou've got clearances. How does the fact that you've got certain clearances affect what you say and cannot say in public? Seems like an obvious question but please address it.

LE: It affects everything I say in public. Not some things. Everything. I have to thread a needle every single moment I open my mouth. I have to calculate what I'm saying, based upon an established, what we call an SCG - Security Classification Guide. Anything that is classified in the government falls underneath a security classification guide, and what we call an original classification authority. And I don't think people really understand or appreciate what that means. That is the difference between going to jail and being in exile, like Edward Snowden, and not, and having this conversation. I have to be very cognizant of every word I say because if I crossed that line, where I now violate my nondisclosure agreement, this conversation comes to an immediate and abrupt end. You will never see me again, because I will either wind up in jail, or I will be sued to the point where I'll have to wind up living probably in Antarctica with all the penguins.

It is very difficult for me because I feel like I'm in a boxing ring with one arm tied behind my back while my legs are shackled, and [I'm] blindfolded. It is very tough. But, this is why I said in the beginning, Richard, this is a process notdisclosure isn't an event. And I think if you look at the last three years, I know people are impatient but we've come a really long way. We now have have former presidents of the United States coming out and Directors of National Intelligence, not just one, but two, and directors of CIA, and the media. Everybody now, to include foreign countries, is finally nodding their head saying, "Yeah. You know what? This is a serious topic. There's enough information that we have been privy to, to recognize we need to do something about. Had I just come out day one and blurted everything out, I probably would have been been been labeled some sort of crazy, conspiracy theorist.

RD: Yeah, like me. That's my domain.

LE: People say, "That guy doesn't know what he's talking about." Every day, despite the overwhelming evidence, people still think I'm some sort of, I don't know what you call it, disinformation agent. Whatever, get out of here. I don't know how else to prove it to you. If you cannot see around you, the momentum that this topic and the seriousness and the respect that this topic has now been given by the mainstream media and our politicians and our elected officials, then you've been living under a rock for the last three years. And this isn't because someone's selling snake oil to you or someone's coming out and saying, "It's my way or the highway." If you've noticed, I've never said this is my way. I just said, "Look, here's the information, here's the facts, you do with it what you want." And I think, because I haven't violated my nondisclosure agreement, it makes it very difficult for the authorities to shut me up. They can make my life difficult but they haven't been able to shut me up. And that should be very telling that the method in which people like Chris Mellon and myself, Hal, Eric and others, have decided to have this conversation, is probably the right way to do it, because none of us want to violate our nondisclosure agreements.

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LE: It affects everything I say in public. Not some things. Everything. I have to thread a needle every single moment I open my mouth. I have to calculate what I'm saying, based upon an established, what we call an SCG - Security Classification Guide. Anything that is classified in the government falls underneath a security classification guide, and what we call an original classification authority. And I don't think people really understand or appreciate what that means. That is the difference between going to jail and being in exile, like Edward Snowden, and not, and having this conversation. I have to be very cognizant of every word I say because if I crossed that line, where I now violate my nondisclosure agreement, this conversation comes to an immediate and abrupt end. You will never see me again, because I will either wind up in jail, or I will be sued to the point where I'll have to wind up living probably in Antarctica with all the penguins.

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I agree with most of your points on here TCTTS and I'm on the side of wanting it to be aliens. As said previously I think it would be cool to learn we're not alone and technology exits allowing travel amongst the stars.

But disagree with you regarding Lue's diatribe you posted. He has basically stated he has seen things and he doesn't believe they are ours or anyone else on Earth's.

It would be like saying I took a secrecy agreement not to reveal the color of an object. Logic dictates it's red, green, or blue. I then state I've seen things and it's not red or green. "So you're saying it is blue?" "No I never stated it was blue. I'm not violating my secrecy agreement."

I am glad Lue came forward and give him props for doing so. But unless he's going to tell us more, what does he really add to the conversation now other than what he's already gone on record stating? It's just a distraction at this point.

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New York Times Pentagon correspondent Helene Cooper interviewed Elizondo in 2017. Cooper characterized Elizondo's behavior as typical of intel officers, who are "really spooky guys, they're very secretive, they tend to be more paranoid". According to Cooper, "There was a lot of looking over to make sure nobody was seeing us, he sat with his back to the wall. He said, because he wanted to see if anybody came in". Cooper explained to "The Daily" podcast host Michael Barbaro that at the time she spoke to Elizondo, she found him very credible, but when she got on the metro after the meeting she began to have second thoughts, saying "the farther away I got from the interview the less believable it seemed".

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Is there any information on what unit he served with in the military or what his MOS was? All I can find is him saying he worked with secret projects. Anyone saying stuff like this is trying to sound like their job was much more exciting than it was. A "counter-intelligence officer" can mean many different things, and isn't nearly as cool as it sounds for most. Discovery Channel always shows him toting a backpack around and dressed in tactical clothing. I see he was enlisted because his father taught him "you must learn to follow before you can lead."

He's a walking stereotype and has bought into the image created for him by the Discovery Channel, and has done it well.

ETA: Paranoid counter-intel officers who feel they need their back to the wall and are always looking over their shoulder don't have DIscovery Channel shows and appear on 60 Minutes.

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Elizondo is a Cuban exile that volunteered for Brigade 2506, a CIA-sponsored group of exiles formed in 1960 to attempt the military overthrow of the Cuban government headed by Fidel Castro, which culminated in the Bay of Pigs invasion.

According to Elizondo's website, he attended the University of Miami, with double majors in microbiology and immunology and minors in chemistry.

Elizondo served in the U.S. Army for 20 years, running military intelligence operations in Afghanistan, South America, and Guantanamo Bay's Camp Seven.

Regarding his military career, he stated he "dealt with a lot of stuff, like coup d'tats, black market terrorism, violent drug cartels, all that kind of stuff". Following the September 11 attacks Elizondo then redirected toward East Asia, where he served as advisor of an intelligence unit assigned to support General James Mattis during his command of the Marine Expeditionary Unit Task Force 58 in the War on Terror.

From 2008 until his resignation in 2017, Elizondo worked with the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence in The Pentagon. During this time, he was the director of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, a special access program funded at the initiative of the then Senate majority leader, Harry Reid (D-Nevada) to investigate aerial threats including unidentified aerial phenomena.

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New York Times Pentagon correspondent Helene Cooper interviewed Elizondo in 2017. Cooper characterized Elizondo's behavior as typical of intel officers, who are "really spooky guys, they're very secretive, they tend to be more paranoid". According to Cooper, "There was a lot of looking over to make sure nobody was seeing us, he sat with his back to the wall. He said, because he wanted to see if anybody came in". Cooper explained to "The Daily" podcast host Michael Barbaro that at the time she spoke to Elizondo, she found him very credible, but when she got on the metro after the meeting she began to have second thoughts, saying "the farther away I got from the interview the less believable it seemed".

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Is there any information on what unit he served with in the military or what his MOS was? All I can find is him saying he worked with secret projects. Anyone saying stuff like this is trying to sound like their job was much more exciting than it was. A "counter-intelligence officer" can mean many different things, and isn't nearly as cool as it sounds for most. Discovery Channel always shows him toting a backpack around and dressed in tactical clothing. I see he was enlisted because his father taught him "you must learn to follow before you can lead."

He's a walking stereotype and has bought into the image created for him by the Discovery Channel, and has done it well.

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Again, for all my defending of Elizondo, it's equally weird how much you actively seem to dislike/discredit him, and how much your opinion of him is steeped in an increasingly clear, pre-conceived bias. Am I probably going overboard in my defense? Sure. But you're going equally overboard with your weird knocks on the guy...

As for his background/credentials...

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Elizondo is a Cuban exile that volunteered for Brigade 2506, a CIA-sponsored group of exiles formed in 1960 to attempt the military overthrow of the Cuban government headed by Fidel Castro, which culminated in the Bay of Pigs invasion.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo#cite_note-Farwell-7][7][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo#cite_note-HeraldTribune-2][2][/url]

According to Elizondo's website, he attended the University of Miami, with double majors in microbiology and immunology and minors in chemistry.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo#cite_note-8][8][/url]

Elizondo served in the U.S. Army for 20 years, running military intelligence operations in Afghanistan, South America, and Guantanamo Bay's Camp Seven.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo#cite_note-HeraldTribune-2][2][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo#cite_note-9][9][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo#cite_note-PopularMechanicsLong-10][10][/url]

Regarding his military career, he stated he "dealt with a lot of stuff, like coup d'tats, black market terrorism, violent drug cartels, all that kind of stuff". Following the September 11 attacks Elizondo then redirected toward East Asia, where he served as advisor of an intelligence unit assigned to support General James Mattis during his command of the Marine Expeditionary Unit Task Force 58 in the War on Terror.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo#cite_note-PopularMechanicsLong-10][10][/url]

From 2008 until his resignation in 2017, Elizondo worked with the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence in The Pentagon.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo#cite_note-NYTGlowing-6][6][/url] During this time, he was the director[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo#cite_note-NYTTrail-11][11][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo#cite_note-12][12][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo#cite_note-13][13][/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo#cite_note-14][14][/url] of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, a special access program funded at the initiative of the then Senate majority leader, Harry Reid (D-Nevada)[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo#cite_note-15][15][/url] to investigate aerial threats including unidentified aerial phenomena.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Elizondo#cite_note-NYTTrail-11][11][/url]

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Fogburn95 said:

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He's talking about what he learned in the project. Talking about what you've learned in a project you signed a secrecy agreement to be part of probably violates the secrecy agreement. He may think he's threading the needle here but I don't see how he's already not violated it.

But I think I'm getting into the weeds to much on this violate/didn't violate the agreement.

The big thing for me is it's frustrating. I find Lue to be credible and believe him when he says he's seen strange things. I'm glad he and the others came forward for the 60 Minutes segment. I haven't watched 60 Minutes in years. Outside of sporting events I haven't made plans to watch a network television show when it first broadcast in years. I tuned in for this in real time.

There is a segment of the population that 100% believed in aliens before any of the past few years. That segment grew in size after the 60 minutes story. There is another segment of people I would wager millions of more people who want to believe it now but want better proof, especially if these credible people are saying that better proof exists. The longer this coy dance of not revealing that proof goes on, the more he's going to lose people like me.

Maybe he's waiting for the report first. Then he'll talk. We'll see.

My thoughts are "Lue, buddy. You've likely violated your agreement already. If the govt wanted to mess with you they would have done it before 60 Minutes blew this up. You've got cover now. Don't be puss. Tell us what you know!"

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My thoughts are "Lue, buddy. You've likely violated your agreement already. I

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Or...he's a pundit and enthusiast talking over his head as part of a new entertainment career.

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objects in the skies, that we don't know exactly what they are

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He isn't saying anything that we aren't saying here in this thread in that statement. Its not anything groundbreaking.

And what he has to benefit from that statement is people not paying attention to the absolute cluster**** going on in the Whitehouse right now

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