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Philo B 93 said:

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Do you remember all the UFO stories in the 70s and 80s? Also, do you remember all the Bigfoot stories in those days?

How many eye-witness sightings did we hear about where no one had a camera? Fast forward to 2021 where everyone has a camera all the time, and they keep it in their hand and powered on even while driving, jogging, walking in the mall, etc.

The UFO and Bigfoot stories sure have slowed down, haven't they? iPhone killed the idea of UFOs and Bigfoot, but we've got an insane amount of fail videos and Mr. Beast to entertain us.

I'd love to find out that the all powerful government has proof of aliens, but I'm doubtful.

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That's... actually not at all true. There are more compelling amateur videos now than ever. Granted, sure, no crystal clear, unmistakable close-ups from civilians, but one thing that's rumored to be part of this government report next month is incredibly compelling photographic evidence from many of these pilots.

Luis Elizondo, the former head of the Pentagon's UAP Taskforce, subject of the infamous 2017 NYT article, and one of the most credible figures in the field, has said, while employed by the Pentagon, he's seen with his own eyes the photographic evidence the government has on file, and says there are some shots taken from as close as a few feet away, showing unmistakable, propulsion-less craft, unlike anything we know of in any country's inventory, including our own.

I suspect the public MIGHT see one or two of these image next month, but who knows.

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How has a thread on this board gone so long without a single video or picture of a UFO? 100s of millions of high def cameras in the hands of millions of people in every part of the world, including military and civilian pilots, and we don't have a single compelling, clear picture of a UFO? How about all of the ring doorbells, dashboard cams, weather cams, web cams, and traffic cams? The entire earth is basically being recorded for the last 10 years, and millions of cameras have somehow missed any good footage? That's the part of all of this that doesn't add up.

I'd love to be wrong, but humans aren't that good at keeping secrets.

Southlake said:

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I have 20k hours in the air and you wouldn't believe some of the freaky unexplained things I've seen up there.

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Tell me about her.

I appreciate your openness to such an explanation.

The word elohim does have a lot of explanatory power, but you really need someone who both understands ancient Hebrew AND its contextual historical use.

Michael Heiser does (he's Protestant, I am not) - I'd start with The Unseen Realm.

I'm "super religious", and don't know a single person that would act irrationally or suicidal. In fact, the Catholic Church recently acknowledged the possibility of ETs.

Lots of wishful thinking about the suicides and all, which is beyond sick. The existence of ETs doesn't prove God is a fabrication.

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Southlake said:

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I have 20k hours in the air and you wouldn't believe some of the freaky unexplained things I've seen up there.

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Tell me about her.

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PearlJammin said:

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I'm "super religious", and don't know a single person that would act irrationally or suicidal. In fact, the Catholic Church recently acknowledged the possibility of ETs.

Lots of wishful thinking about the suicides and all, which is beyond sick. The existence of ETs doesn't prove God is a fabrication.

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And I don't know one single person hoping for Christians to commit suicide. You are jumping right back with your own assumptions. But I think there would be some Christians who would not be ok with it. And I'm not necessarily talking about you, I'm talking about the people who believe dinosaurs are a conspiracy.

By the way, my favorite episode of TV dealing with discovering alien life has to be the South Park Pinewood Derby episode.

It's called 60 minutes because 60 minutes is the average remaining life expectancy of the people who watch it (very old)

In before Spyderman?

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I've had this whole conversation and not to get to deep into religion as you requested... but I stated my points... and it was like watched my dads light come on, and he was like well hell you make some valid statements... and then my mom looks at me like I'm crazy and needs to to have holy water thrown on me lol. I made a statement something like if this were true it could lead to a fall out of religion and having people literally jumping off bridges commuting suicide. I could see where something like that could happen where people couldn't handle that everything they were told was a lie. I think we should never stop asking why?

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I don't think it necessarily leads to a fall-out of religion...human society has (unfortunately) been doing a pretty good job of that on its own for many years and people are turning to many other things. That would also have to assume such a discovery would give THE answer to the universe or Creator. I'm not convinced it would.

But it's still a lot of assumption and...faith...at this point.

I mean, you have people that scoff at the personal accounts in the Bible, particularly the New Testament. But yet people will take the possible existence of UFO's (from personal accounts) but then draw major conclusions like they're actual beings from other dimensions that are millions of years ahead and could be the ones who created us...and that somehow with all that power and technology, none of them have desires to use it against us after all these years, they're just observers. I just find some irony in it because that also takes a lot of faith based on the little that's out there.

I don't doubt there are unexplained phenomena out there. And it is interesting that the government is loosening its transparency on the subject...to a degree. But one thing we do know is that the government has no problem lying and concealing, and that ain't changing. I'm just not convinced they're all of a sudden going to open the doors and let us in on the 'secret'.

I'm sure the pilots and commanders that witness these occurrences have no idea what they're dealing with. But do we really think the government would admit to them and to us "Oh yeah, what our military saw was our tech and testing...move along" if it was? It's interesting how many of these occurrences happen near a military facility or something military related. What we've also learned from history is that governments are capable of a lot more than they let on. But I do get why people are curious. In terms of the unexplained that people have actually seen, it is fascinating. The Phenomenon has been on my watch-list for a while, I just haven't gotten around to it.

And to show I'm not trying to make this too serious...I'll lay down some mood music:

Until proven otherwise I tend to go with the simpler idea that this stuff is either extremely low tech from our adversaries like this article states:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones-are-spying-on-the-u-s-and-the-pentagon-acts-like-theyre-ufos

Or extremely high tech secret tests. The first flight of the B-2 was in 1989 (that we know of) and first flight of SR-71 was 1964 (that we know of). Anyone seeing those planes, and a few other test planes, at those times had to believe it was a UFO.

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The other thing that is hard to have a conversation with people without them looking at you crazy.... is what happens one day when all the facts hit the table.... and you find out that your neighbor, your (insert whatever) is an alien. You find out people you look up to, or that hold some kind of big office is an alien of some kinda. Between that and religion, I think if something like that happened people would lose their minds.

I am also kinda firm believe in the whole science fiction is science fact. Tom from blink 182 really does a good job describing how they are using science fiction movies to help groom us into technology. Star Trek for example... communicators were a thing only seen in movies, and now I can talk to my watch.... movies like Men In Black. Most of y'all will laugh at me, but what if stuff like that is going on. One of the best scenes in that movie is when K is talking to jay on the park bench in NYC before he becomes an agent and say the whole, a person is smart, but people are dumb... and imagine what you'll learn tomorrow...

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I think the reason that people may be laughing at you is your use of Tom from blink 182 as a reference.

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AMW2010 said:

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The other thing that is hard to have a conversation with people without them looking at you crazy.... is what happens one day when all the facts hit the table.... and you find out that your neighbor, your (insert whatever) is an alien. You find out people you look up to, or that hold some kind of big office is an alien of some kinda. Between that and religion, I think if something like that happened people would lose their minds.

I am also kinda firm believe in the whole science fiction is science fact. Tom from blink 182 really does a good job describing how they are using science fiction movies to help groom us into technology. Star Trek for example... communicators were a thing only seen in movies, and now I can talk to my watch.... movies like Men In Black. Most of y'all will laugh at me, but what if stuff like that is going on. One of the best scenes in that movie is when K is talking to jay on the park bench in NYC before he becomes an agent and say the whole, a person is smart, but people are dumb... and imagine what you'll learn tomorrow...

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I think the reason that people may be laughing at you is your use of Tom from blink 182 as a reference.

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Believe what you want, but I'm pretty sure he knows more about this subject that you and I.

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AMW2010 said:

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The other thing that is hard to have a conversation with people without them looking at you crazy.... is what happens one day when all the facts hit the table.... and you find out that your neighbor, your (insert whatever) is an alien. You find out people you look up to, or that hold some kind of big office is an alien of some kinda. Between that and religion, I think if something like that happened people would lose their minds.

I am also kinda firm believe in the whole science fiction is science fact. Tom from blink 182 really does a good job describing how they are using science fiction movies to help groom us into technology. Star Trek for example... communicators were a thing only seen in movies, and now I can talk to my watch.... movies like Men In Black. Most of y'all will laugh at me, but what if stuff like that is going on. One of the best scenes in that movie is when K is talking to jay on the park bench in NYC before he becomes an agent and say the whole, a person is smart, but people are dumb... and imagine what you'll learn tomorrow...

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I think the reason that people may be laughing at you is your use of Tom from blink 182 as a reference.

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You laugh, and I won't disagree Tom is nutty, but it was confirmed that he had a meeting at the White House a few years ago to talk about aliens.

TCTTS said:

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AMW2010 said:

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Southlake said:

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I have 20k hours in the air and you wouldn't believe some of the freaky unexplained things I've seen up there.

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{{Insert well we are waiting Gif}}
How did no one respond to this? Let's hear some of these stories already?!?!?

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Thought for sure he was about to follow up. Would absolutely love to hear whatever he has to say.

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I have a friend (former boss' husband) who has been a longtime pilot and this subject came up one time when we grabbed a couple beers and had time to kill.

The quick version of his story is that it's just a different world up there and that there are crazy things that happen. He said 95% of it is somewhat explainable by things we know, or has plausible reasons that you saw what you saw. The last 5% is just unexplainable stuff that he had no idea about.

His general perception is that the sky is kind of like the ocean - we just haven't explored it enough to know 100% of what's going on and we get caught off guard from time to time. He is generally dismissive of 99% of any "UFO sightings" because of this reason.

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Claude! said:

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AMW2010 said:

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The other thing that is hard to have a conversation with people without them looking at you crazy.... is what happens one day when all the facts hit the table.... and you find out that your neighbor, your (insert whatever) is an alien. You find out people you look up to, or that hold some kind of big office is an alien of some kinda. Between that and religion, I think if something like that happened people would lose their minds.

I am also kinda firm believe in the whole science fiction is science fact. Tom from blink 182 really does a good job describing how they are using science fiction movies to help groom us into technology. Star Trek for example... communicators were a thing only seen in movies, and now I can talk to my watch.... movies like Men In Black. Most of y'all will laugh at me, but what if stuff like that is going on. One of the best scenes in that movie is when K is talking to jay on the park bench in NYC before he becomes an agent and say the whole, a person is smart, but people are dumb... and imagine what you'll learn tomorrow...

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I think the reason that people may be laughing at you is your use of Tom from blink 182 as a reference.

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Believe what you want, but I'm pretty sure he knows more about this subject that you and I.

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Even Joe Rogan (fully bought in to Commander Fravor, Bob Lazar, etc.) was laughing at him and thinks he's a nut.

This whole subject can be talked about rationally, but we can all acknowledge that there are some loons out there.

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AMW2010 said:

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Claude! said:

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AMW2010 said:

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The other thing that is hard to have a conversation with people without them looking at you crazy.... is what happens one day when all the facts hit the table.... and you find out that your neighbor, your (insert whatever) is an alien. You find out people you look up to, or that hold some kind of big office is an alien of some kinda. Between that and religion, I think if something like that happened people would lose their minds.

I am also kinda firm believe in the whole science fiction is science fact. Tom from blink 182 really does a good job describing how they are using science fiction movies to help groom us into technology. Star Trek for example... communicators were a thing only seen in movies, and now I can talk to my watch.... movies like Men In Black. Most of y'all will laugh at me, but what if stuff like that is going on. One of the best scenes in that movie is when K is talking to jay on the park bench in NYC before he becomes an agent and say the whole, a person is smart, but people are dumb... and imagine what you'll learn tomorrow...

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I think the reason that people may be laughing at you is your use of Tom from blink 182 as a reference.

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Believe what you want, but I'm pretty sure he knows more about this subject that you and I.

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Even Joe Rogan (fully bought in to Commander Fravor, Bob Lazar, etc.) was laughing at him and thinks he's a nut.

This whole subject can be talked about rationally, but we can all acknowledge that there are some loons out there.

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No doubt and agree with you that there are some loons out there.... people also thought Einstein was crazy.... people think Elon musk is crazy too... I feel it's kinda relative... like we are agree crackheads are crazy... but is Elon crazy because you ( not you you, the population) think he's crazy or because they just can't think on his level

If you were to show most people some of the strangest things that exist in the ocean, they would accuse you of making them up.

Well over 20 Stars for my first post of this thread in less than 24 hours.

Thank you all.

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And then happened again just last month, with those pyramid UAPs caught on tape hovering over that Navy ship

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The Goa'uld.

And people scoff at the Space Force and creation of it still. Maybe the information from this past year or so makes sense when you consider that branch being created. The timing of Space Force may not have been a coincidence.