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Should be working now

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Ha, hell yeah. I love that poster. The same one Mulder had. I'll take it.

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I think it is far more likely that the universe is hostile and routinely wipes out whatever life life is present (and that life is more rare than previously believed) than there being billions of potential planets with intelligent life that do not broadcast their presence, intentionally or accidentally. Firm believer in the great filter, just hope we are the first to pass it and that it isn't still ahead of us.

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I don't at all doubt what you're saying about the great filter. While I do think certain civilizations have made it through, you're probably right that most have not.

You guys ever read the site Wait But Why? Guy gets into some pretty heavy stuff but dumbs it down for small minded people like me. Problem is some of the articles are extremely long.

A couple write ups that are somewhat related to this thread..

The Fermi paradox/great filter:

https://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html

Advances in technology and AI:

https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html

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I can't imagine there being much freak out reaction. Everyone knows the fed lies anyway so I don't think anyone would be shocked. This is assuming they just acknowledge these things are truly odd and completely unexplainable. If they flat out say yes this is alien aircraft then that will cause mania.

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Again, the Pentagon has basically already acknowledged as much, via the New York Times. The 2004 Nimitz event that made waves in the infamous 2017 New York Times article chronicled a jet-sized, "tic-tac"-shaped object that multiple Navy fighter pilots encountered, and multiple tracking systems measured going from something like 70,000 feet to below the surface of the ocean in .78 seconds,among many other gravity-defying maneuvers. Then, in 2020, the Pentagon admitted that the videos were real, that the event happened, that the tracking measurements were accurate, that it's not one of ours, and that it's almost certainly not another country's. So, seeing as a human pilot would be splattered all over the interior of such a craft moving at those speeds, the Pentagon has basically admitted that these things are tech we don't understand being piloted/controlled by someone or some thing that is almost assuredly out of this world.

What will apparently drop next month sounds like it could be a broader, more detailed and official admission that these kinds of encounters are happening basically all the time, to all branches of our military. They're happening so frequently that the Pentagon has been forced to open an official channel/means of reporting these events by pilots, overseen by the official "UAP Task Force" they finally admitted existed under their watch that has been studying these encounters for years now.

I think, once people get acclimated to this reality, the government MIGHT eventually admit that they actually have debris from crashed UFOs, and confirm that they know for certain these craft do not come from Earth. Personally, I don't believe - and it doesn't sound like - our government is actually secretly in contact with aliens or anything like that. There's no grand alien-human conspiracy, no aliens tucked away at Area 51, we haven't been able to successfully reverse engineer a craft, etc. But credible reports, and credible individuals from within the Pentagon, are increasingly implying that we DO have in our possession "meta materials," aka crashed debris and alien tech being studied in secret that we still can't fully comprehend.

Time will tell.

All I know is that this subject is suddenly being taken WAY more seriously than it ever has been, and is evolving at a rapid pace.

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My dad personally witnessed such events in bold back in the '60s. Difference was his examples went from their altitude to space in similar time frame.

Wow. So crazy.

And yet, so many stories just like this.

I love the rabbit hole I go down every time UFO stuff is brought up. The rabbit hole that came from this one led me to a Reddit post 7-8 years ago from a guy who claims he's been abducted roughly every two years since the 80s, and who claims that the aliens are making themselves known on either the 8th or 18th of July this year. So I guess we'll know soon.

I highly doubt we're going to see some sort of contact event any time soon. Those videos are odd, though. And I'm excited for more transparency about this from our government.

That's incredible. Could very well be a YouBet Sr. movie in all that.

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That's incredible. Could very well be a YouBet Sr. movie in all that.

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Ha. No doubt.

I added Trent Lott edit. Forgot about that.

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The other thing that is hard to have a conversation with people without them looking at you crazy.... is what happens one day when all the facts hit the table.... and you find out that your neighbor, your (insert whatever) is an alien. You find out people you look up to, or that hold some kind of big office is an alien of some kinda. Between that and religion, I think if something like that happened people would lose their minds.

I am also kinda firm believe in the whole science fiction is science fact. Tom from blink 182 really does a good job describing how they are using science fiction movies to help groom us into technology. Star Trek for example... communicators were a thing only seen in movies, and now I can talk to my watch.... movies like Men In Black. Most of y'all will laugh at me, but what if stuff like that is going on. One of the best scenes in that movie is when K is talking to jay on the park bench in NYC before he becomes an agent and say the whole, a person is smart, but people are dumb... and imagine what you'll learn tomorrow...

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I think the reason that people may be laughing at you is your use of Tom from blink 182 as a reference.

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Believe what you want, but I'm pretty sure he knows more about this subject that you and I.

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Even Joe Rogan (fully bought in to Commander Fravor, Bob Lazar, etc.) was laughing at him and thinks he's a nut.

This whole subject can be talked about rationally, but we can all acknowledge that there are some loons out there.

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That interview came across as very outlandish, but a lot of what he mentioned came out to be accurate. Joe (and myself as well) had a hard time understanding why they (the gov) would allow him in on meetings on this stuff and his explanation was that they wanted to start a process of disclosure and needed some sort of medium to start informing the public. Which also seems to now have a lot of validity. I would think if Joe interviewed him today he would take him a little more serious about a lot of his ufo claims (maybe not so much about his personal opinions and such though).
Tbh Jeremy is another one who is a bit crazy that I don't really trust (too much of a fan boy) but his sources do seem to be legit.

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The other thing that is hard to have a conversation with people without them looking at you crazy.... is what happens one day when all the facts hit the table.... and you find out that your neighbor, your (insert whatever) is an alien. You find out people you look up to, or that hold some kind of big office is an alien of some kinda. Between that and religion, I think if something like that happened people would lose their minds.

I am also kinda firm believe in the whole science fiction is science fact. Tom from blink 182 really does a good job describing how they are using science fiction movies to help groom us into technology. Star Trek for example... communicators were a thing only seen in movies, and now I can talk to my watch.... movies like Men In Black. Most of y'all will laugh at me, but what if stuff like that is going on. One of the best scenes in that movie is when K is talking to jay on the park bench in NYC before he becomes an agent and say the whole, a person is smart, but people are dumb... and imagine what you'll learn tomorrow...

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I think the reason that people may be laughing at you is your use of Tom from blink 182 as a reference.

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Believe what you want, but I'm pretty sure he knows more about this subject that you and I.

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Even Joe Rogan (fully bought in to Commander Fravor, Bob Lazar, etc.) was laughing at him and thinks he's a nut.

This whole subject can be talked about rationally, but we can all acknowledge that there are some loons out there.

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That interview came across as very outlandish, but a lot of what he mentioned came out to be accurate. Joe (and myself as well) had a hard time understanding why they (the gov) would allow him in on meetings on this stuff and his explanation was that they wanted to start a process of disclosure and needed some sort of medium to start informing the public. Which also seems to now have a lot of validity. I would think if Joe interviewed him today he would take him a little more serious about a lot of his ufo claims (maybe not so much about his personal opinions and such though).
Tbh Jeremy is another one who is a bit crazy that I don't really trust (too much of a fan boy) but his sources do seem to be legit.

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Jeremy who?

Corbell

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He talks way too much and just needs to get to the point.

So you have guys like Bob Lazar... what has he gained from coming forward in all this? They basically ruined his life from one point of view. Even if you take the Area 51 stuff out, take aliens out and their craft... and just focused on his one story where he talked about Element 115.... and he saw it, and everyone was like yea that's not real... and then all these years later... bam element 115. But coming forward all they did was erase his life and make him look like he's lost his mind.

The only two people I fully trust in this whole ordeal are Luis Elizondo and Chris Mellon. So far, they seem to be the most sincere, upstanding, and purely motivated.

That's not to say that I don't think DeLong or Corbell aren't trustworthy - in general, I like them both - but DeLong does seem a bit out there (despite all the legit good he's done) and "fanboy" is a great way to describe Corbell. Anyone who fully backs Bob Lazar, like Corbell does, simply doesn't exercise the best judgment. I'm not saying Lazar is a fraud, but at best it's impossible to say one way or the other, so going all in on his story is super suspect to me.

The element 115 thing isn't quite as straightforward as that. Again, I'm literally 50/50 on Lazar, so I'm not trying to say he's a liar, but it's not quite that cut and dry either.

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I really wish people would take the time to read the link I provided toward the bottom of the first page. I agree with you that these things don't break the laws of physics. I've said that multiple times now. And again, it's not that we can't develop the tech, or that we don't understand it. It's that producing the amount of energy to power it is so far beyond what we're capable of now. To literally create an artificial space-time field around a craft would require more power than exists on our planet at this very moment.

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That isn't true. There IS that much power on earth in just the deuterium in a cubic meter of ocean.

Ha, I don't know what that means, but okay.

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So you have guys like Bob Lazar... what has he gained from coming forward in all this? They basically ruined his life from one point of view.

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Let's take it from another point of view: What was his life before "coming forward?" What did he have that was destroyed by the great THEY? He's been coming forward for a very very long time, and none of his stories, work background claims, or education claims have ever been able to be verified.

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The only two people I fully trust in this whole ordeal are Luis Elizondo and Chris Mellon. So far, they seem to be the most sincere, upstanding, and purely motivated.

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They are great for the investigation; instead of trying to convince people aliens exist, they legitimately seem to just want to get to the bottom of the phenomenon. Mellon seemed more of a skeptic than Rogan when he was on the show. Also the Unidifintied series kept a pretty tight focus on events with quite a bit of "evidence" instead of just showing a bunch of different events and saying well some of these might be aliens, like most shows seem to do.

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So you have guys like Bob Lazar... what has he gained from coming forward in all this? They basically ruined his life from one point of view.

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Let's take it from another point of view: What was his life before "coming forward?" What did he have that was destroyed by the great THEY? He's been coming forward for a very very long time, and none of his stories, work background claims, or education claims have ever been able to be verified.

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I think it's fair to say what was destroyed was his ability to have a normal life like you and me... now I'm sure he knew good and well the consequences of what would happen when he started to blow his whistle. Has none of that stuff be able to be verified because there's a pet of the government that's pretty damn scary and really good at what they do so made it sure it would never be verified?

Just playing the devils advocate, I don't have anything vested in this... I just wanna see some alien **** lol

Before coming forward, Lazar literally invested in a brothel, and was subsequently arrested for pimping, to which he pled guilty. This was just before leaving his wife and marrying their former employee, two days before his first wife committed suicide. His second wife then cheated on him with a pilot, just prior to Lazar giving his famous initial interview to George Knapp. Not to mention, he was also in a lot of debt at the time.

Honestly, the easiest part of Lazar's story to buy is that he worked on UFOs at Area 51. The toughest pill to swallow is that they would have hired him in the first place.

Hey I'm not sayin this hub is a saint LOL just sayin some of the things he said came out years later to be true, I wouldn't exactly call that lucky... unless it was in the simpsons haha

I would kill to make a scripted Lazar movie, btw. I wouldn't take either side, I would simply present his bonkers life both as he tells it and as the facts present themselves. Would be such a fun character examination.

So if you had to pick a movie.... that was like a "cover up" so to speak of what you think might be going on, which would you choose? Since this is the entertainment board anyways.

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Human perception is notoriously unreliable, you can look through online optical illusions to confirm this. Humans also frequently exaggerate and/or lie. This accounts for essentially all UFO sightings.

When your options to explain a brief, bizarre phenomenon are aliens/ghosts/bigfoot/Nessy/God/Nicholas Cage vs lying/exaggerating/poor understanding of someone's/your own perceptions you can rest assured that it is always the latter. Most UFO sightings can be explained by optical illusions, the rest are liars or exaggerators. I get the appeal of believing in these things, but unfortunately we aren't getting visited by aliens or extra-dimensional creatures.

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Most UFO sightings can be explained by optical illusions, the rest are liars or exaggerators.

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People also see jets, drones, etc that look very different at night or out of context. And I think it's very reasonable to believe that people in remote areas could see advanced/experimental stuff without having any reason to know what it is. The leap to aliens or extra-dimensional phenomena to explain everything weird/cool gets made way took quickly by too many hucksters, though.

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Yeah, I was kinda lumping all that into optical illusions and issues with human perception, but completely agree with you.

Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

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Human perception is notoriously unreliable, you can look through online optical illusions to confirm this. Humans also frequently exaggerate and/or lie. This accounts for essentially all UFO sightings.

When your options to explain a brief, bizarre phenomenon are aliens/ghosts/bigfoot/Nessy/God/Nicholas Cage vs lying/exaggerating/poor understanding of someone's/your own perceptions you can rest assured that it is always the latter. Most UFO sightings can be explained by optical illusions, the rest are liars or exaggerators. I get the appeal of believing in these things, but unfortunately we aren't getting visited by aliens or extra-dimensional creatures.

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Mick West? Really? That's who you're going with?

Look, I'm in complete agreement that a large number of sightings have natural/terrestrial explanations. But Mick West is utterly pathological in his denial, notorious for bending over backwards to explain this stuff away by any means necessary, only to have many of *his* debunks credibly picked apart in much the same manner (as many of those videos already have been).

It's just really weird to me to speak so authoritatively on something like this, when none of us have any idea. I'm saying I *think* it's probably A, but I'm not ruling out B, C, D, etc. Yet you're choosing to speak definitively, painting with the broadest of brushes. You simply can't say that these pilots are either seeing optical illusions or are lying. That's such a ridiculous stance to take, when so many other factors are confirming and backing up exactly what these pilots are seeing.

I agree with this... I wanted to ask this person if they believed in any form of God... and NO one can explain that, that's just pure faith.

Exactly.