redline248 said:
Is it the exact same stuff being seen now as in the 40s?
Fogburn95 said:
I really want to believe these things are aliens from another solar system. How cool would it be to learn that 1) we're not alone and 2) technology actually exists that makes interstellar travel possible. If true, then maybe one day they'll quit playing "peek-a-boo" with us and engage us and teach us this technology.
However
I also really want to see a high def picture or video of one of these before I go there. If they've been regularly violating restricted US airspace, and that pilot said it was happening daily for years, then surely the Air Force and Navy started outfitting jets and drones with high def cameras and sent some on patrols to get a clear picture. I think getting a good picture of one of these things would be important to the military.
So if they have these grainy videos and gun sight videos, then they must also have a high def picture or video as well. Why won't they release it? Frustrating.
UFOs are (probably) not secret Chinese spy planes https://t.co/mSwFD6INbt
— TheHillOpinion (@TheHillOpinion) June 8, 2021
Via @MvonRen
A reasonable objection. But one has to consider that the message has been pretty consistent since 1947: some of the reports remain unexplained by military researchers, they're not our technology, and the military has been studying them off and on for decades. It's probably not accurate to call it "lying". Silence isn't technically "lying".MW03 said:
One thing I can't really savvy in order to be on board with all this...
The UFO/UAP truth movement is predicated on the notion that the government has been lying and hiding things from the American public (and the world) for 70+ years. Why then do we choose to believe the government now when they say they verify that these things exist, but that don't know what they are because they aren't ours?
As someone skeptical of these being extraterrestrial, the idea of the Nazis surviving somewhere on this planet with enough resources to continue developing military technology to even keep up with current known technologies and not be found out seems a bit more far fetched to me.G Martin 87 said:
Another possibility, as long as we're discussing aliens, other dimensions, time travel, and demons as potential explanations for the truly unexplainable reports, is Nazis. Seriously. At the end of WWII, what were the most technologically advanced governments on Earth? The US, the Brits, and . the Third Reich. If sightings of discs began a couple of years after the defeat of the Nazis, then why couldn't the operators be escaped Nazis? Seems no more outlandish than anything else, right?
I think UFOs are blurry, that's the problem. It's not the photographer's fault. UFOs are blurry, and that's extra scary to me. There's large out-of-focus UFOs roaming the countryside. Look out, it's fuzzy! Let's get out of here!Fogburn95 said:
I really want to believe these things are aliens from another solar system. How cool would it be to learn that 1) we're not alone and 2) technology actually exists that makes interstellar travel possible. If true, then maybe one day they'll quit playing "peek-a-boo" with us and engage us and teach us this technology.
However
I also really want to see a high def picture or video of one of these before I go there. If they've been regularly violating restricted US airspace, and that pilot said it was happening daily for years, then surely the Air Force and Navy started outfitting jets and drones with high def cameras and sent some on patrols to get a clear picture. I think getting a good picture of one of these things would be important to the military.
So if they have these grainy videos and gun sight videos, then they must also have a high def picture or video as well. Why won't they release it? Frustrating.
More far fetched than demons? Or aliens from light years away? Or time travel? We know that after WWII former Nazi scientists and engineers were scooped up and employed (enslaved?) by the Allies, including the Soviet Union. That's a fact, and even 76 years later still a potentially embarrassing one.Fenrir said:As someone skeptical of these being extraterrestrial, the idea of the Nazis surviving somewhere on this planet with enough resources to continue developing military technology to even keep up with current known technologies and not be found out seems a bit more far fetched to me.G Martin 87 said:
Another possibility, as long as we're discussing aliens, other dimensions, time travel, and demons as potential explanations for the truly unexplainable reports, is Nazis. Seriously. At the end of WWII, what were the most technologically advanced governments on Earth? The US, the Brits, and . the Third Reich. If sightings of discs began a couple of years after the defeat of the Nazis, then why couldn't the operators be escaped Nazis? Seems no more outlandish than anything else, right?
I view the likelihood of some sort of alternate universe/dimensional being or aliens as more likely than some Hellsing-esque secret Nazi army surviving in some country and creating highly advanced technology under the noses of everyone for decades...because that is 0%.G Martin 87 said:More far fetched than demons? Or aliens from light years away? Or time travel? We know that after WWII former Nazi scientists and engineers were scooped up and employed (enslaved?) by the Allies, including the Soviet Union. That's a fact, and even 76 years later still a potentially embarrassing one.Fenrir said:As someone skeptical of these being extraterrestrial, the idea of the Nazis surviving somewhere on this planet with enough resources to continue developing military technology to even keep up with current known technologies and not be found out seems a bit more far fetched to me.G Martin 87 said:
Another possibility, as long as we're discussing aliens, other dimensions, time travel, and demons as potential explanations for the truly unexplainable reports, is Nazis. Seriously. At the end of WWII, what were the most technologically advanced governments on Earth? The US, the Brits, and . the Third Reich. If sightings of discs began a couple of years after the defeat of the Nazis, then why couldn't the operators be escaped Nazis? Seems no more outlandish than anything else, right?
Not saying it's Nazis.
But maybe it's Nazis.
Authenticity may be questionable (the B-17C was not in service in the European theatre in 1944, IIRC) but this is claimed to be from the NYT:TCTTS said:
Same. There's zero chance any part of humanity developed this tech in the '40s.
But... they could have developed the tech in the 40s with the help of the aliens.TCTTS said:
Same. There's zero chance any part of humanity developed this tech in the '40s.
Have you not seen Winter Soldier?!?Fenrir said:As someone skeptical of these being extraterrestrial, the idea of the Nazis surviving somewhere on this planet with enough resources to continue developing military technology to even keep up with current known technologies and not be found out seems a bit more far fetched to me.G Martin 87 said:
Another possibility, as long as we're discussing aliens, other dimensions, time travel, and demons as potential explanations for the truly unexplainable reports, is Nazis. Seriously. At the end of WWII, what were the most technologically advanced governments on Earth? The US, the Brits, and . the Third Reich. If sightings of discs began a couple of years after the defeat of the Nazis, then why couldn't the operators be escaped Nazis? Seems no more outlandish than anything else, right?
If it is I presume they would be operating out of South America. Many of them retreated to Argentina. How much do we really even know about SA? It's in our back yard and outside of a 2 day excursion to Panama (not even in SA) to oust Noriega we and the rest of the world completely ignore that part of the planet.G Martin 87 said:More far fetched than demons? Or aliens from light years away? Or time travel? We know that after WWII former Nazi scientists and engineers were scooped up and employed (enslaved?) by the Allies, including the Soviet Union. That's a fact, and even 76 years later still a potentially embarrassing one.Fenrir said:As someone skeptical of these being extraterrestrial, the idea of the Nazis surviving somewhere on this planet with enough resources to continue developing military technology to even keep up with current known technologies and not be found out seems a bit more far fetched to me.G Martin 87 said:
Another possibility, as long as we're discussing aliens, other dimensions, time travel, and demons as potential explanations for the truly unexplainable reports, is Nazis. Seriously. At the end of WWII, what were the most technologically advanced governments on Earth? The US, the Brits, and . the Third Reich. If sightings of discs began a couple of years after the defeat of the Nazis, then why couldn't the operators be escaped Nazis? Seems no more outlandish than anything else, right?
Not saying it's Nazis.
But maybe it's Nazis.
South America hasn't even had a lot of Bond villain bases, for that matter. But to be a little serious, I'm really just suggesting that maybe we (or the Soviets) continued developing aircraft tech that we captured from the Nazis and kept the saucer stuff secret. Something beyond Operation Lusty, in other words. Believing in secret Nazi bases is unnecessary and a bridge too far.YouBet said:If it is I presume they would be operating out of South America. Many of them retreated to Argentina. How much do we really even know about SA? It's in our back yard and outside of a 2 day excursion to Panama (not even in SA) to oust Noriega we and the rest of the world completely ignore that part of the planet.G Martin 87 said:More far fetched than demons? Or aliens from light years away? Or time travel? We know that after WWII former Nazi scientists and engineers were scooped up and employed (enslaved?) by the Allies, including the Soviet Union. That's a fact, and even 76 years later still a potentially embarrassing one.Fenrir said:As someone skeptical of these being extraterrestrial, the idea of the Nazis surviving somewhere on this planet with enough resources to continue developing military technology to even keep up with current known technologies and not be found out seems a bit more far fetched to me.G Martin 87 said:
Another possibility, as long as we're discussing aliens, other dimensions, time travel, and demons as potential explanations for the truly unexplainable reports, is Nazis. Seriously. At the end of WWII, what were the most technologically advanced governments on Earth? The US, the Brits, and . the Third Reich. If sightings of discs began a couple of years after the defeat of the Nazis, then why couldn't the operators be escaped Nazis? Seems no more outlandish than anything else, right?
Not saying it's Nazis.
But maybe it's Nazis.
During his interview with @EngagingThe, @LueElizondo hinted that electromagnetic pulses (EMP) may inhibit the propulsion / energy system within UFO craft, essentially popping the generated space-time bubble around the vehicle, making it fall like a brick out of the sky. pic.twitter.com/thjsU0lJkO
— Project Unity (@TheProjectUnity) June 11, 2021
