TCTTS said:

---

Indeed. Spyderman, in particular, does more harm to this subject by *being Spyderman* than any hell-bent skeptic or denier.

---

Why do you think I asked that question?

Your argument makes zero sense. Why does a scientist who specializes in space *have* to know more about about UFOs than someone who actually studies UFOs? For one, we're not even sure UFOs come from space, nor are they hardly even seen in space. But let's say they do come from space - still, very few scientists are actually studying the topic in a serious manner. And I don't fault them for that. I get it. For many of them, there simply isn't enough tangible data to dig into, so they don't even bother with it. But that's *exactly* why people who are studying the history, sightings, reports, government involvement, etc, could easily very well know far more about the topic than certain scientists. I don't understand why that's a controversial statement.

redline248 said:

---

Why should we take a political science prof at their word that they study UFOs a lot? All the astrophysicist said was the report wasn't interesting. He's right, it wasn't.

The fact is the matter is there is so little evidence to suggest these events are extraterrestrial, or even so technologically advanced, to warrant serious investigation. If people want to do it as a hobby, great. But don't say you're more qualified bc you spend a bunch of time on your hobby. That would be like a bunch of nerds playing call of duty 14 hours a day claiming to know more about warfare than career generals.

---

I completely disagree with this statement. The thousands of reports alone, from credible pilots and military personal, are enough to warrant serious further investigation. Our own Pentagon recently came to the exact same conclusion. At the very least, it should be enough to warrant curiosity on behalf of those who claim to have open minds. So I understand the frustration with scientists like Neil deGrass Tyson, who seem to not only show zero curiosity in the subject, but also kind of mock it while hand-waving it all away as misidentifications and technical malfunctions. Again, I get that there has yet to be enough tangible data for tried and true scientific study. But if any curious scientist with Tyson's stature were to actually look into the countless reports, and see that something *is* indeed happening here, it could absolutely help move the ball down the field, and give the phenomenon more weight. This person may have not worded his frustration exactly right, but I absolutely at least understand his frustration.

redline248 said:

---

The fact is the matter is there is so little evidence to suggest these events are extraterrestrial, or even so technologically advanced, to warrant serious investigation.

---

This is a strange take. The government has admitted there are strange objects violating US airspace, moving in ways we can't explain, and we don't know what they are. So either the government is lying and this is an orchestrated hoax (which I admit could be the case), or there's something strange going on.

If there is something strange happening, and they go hostile, our Air Force is hosed. Any jet we send up will be shot down and these things can out maneuver any missile we fire at it. That alone warrants further investigation.

Edit: remove ET from the conversation and focus on advanced technology. Still warrants further investigation.

Fogburn95 said:

---

redline248 said:

---

The fact is the matter is there is so little evidence to suggest these events are extraterrestrial, or even so technologically advanced, to warrant serious investigation.

---

Edit: remove ET from the conversation and focus on advanced technology. Still warrants further investigation.

---

How can you remove "ET" from the conversation? ET and the technology are inextricably linked!

Not necessarily. I'm doing that for the benefit of people like Redline. Remove ET and maybe they admit something strange happening.

Please tell me this entire board will start referring to Redstone as redline now.

Thats what I get for not paying attention to most usernames.

Mr President Elect said:

---

TCTTS said:

---

Indeed. Spyderman, in particular, does more harm to this subject by *being Spyderman* than any hell-bent skeptic or denier.

---

I agree. Episode 3 of the new doc discusses that some. Muddying the waters and disinformation campaigns.

The Mufon guy comes across as a bit of a skeptic and identifies as a truth sekeer. That is probably pretty close to how I identify in this space, albeit a lot more lazy and passive on the subject.

---

Finally finished all four eps and yeah, I have to say, I can't remember the last time I was so high on something and then did a complete 180 so fast. Episodes one and two were incredibly engaging. And while I appreciate the "both sides" nature of episode three, and welcome the debate from skeptics, three and parts of four were such bad faith efforts and so completely disingenuous. Just full of predetermined conclusions, fallacies, and old, tired debunker cliches, while casting utterly paranoid suspicions on some very credible and upstanding individuals. Still the best-looking UFO doc I've ever seen, but in the end JJ somehow managed to ruin yet another "franchise" with how callously certain aspects of this subject were treated.

Wrec86 Ag said:

---

TCTTS said:

---

YouTube embed...

---

Looks entertaining, but It looks like they're using a combination of real footage and intentionally CGI'd scenes (I'm assuming to approximate what the eyewitness is saying happened). I think that's dangerous and will confuse people

---

Just wanted to say your hunch was right, and I was completely wrong in my initial response on this one. The fact that so much debunked footage was used throughout all four episodes, unmarked as such, and mixed right in with the real stuff, was legitimately appalling. I can't believe they used some of that crap, sometimes over and over and over, as if it were authentic. What a massive disappointment.

Maybe there just wasn't a lot to go on? Particularly enough to fill four episodes or however many there were?

TCTTS said:

---

Finally finished all four eps and yeah, I have to say, I can't remember the last time I was so high on something and then did a complete 180 so fast. Episodes one and two were incredibly engaging. And while I appreciate the "both sides" nature of episode three, and welcome the debate from skeptics, three and parts of four were such bad faith efforts and so completely disingenuous. Just full of predetermined conclusions, fallacies, and old, tired debunker cliches, while casting utterly paranoid suspicions on some very credible and upstanding individuals. Still the best-looking UFO doc I've ever seen, but in the end JJ somehow managed to ruin yet another "franchise" with how callously certain aspects of this subject were treated.

---

Yeah, like I mentioned, I am not really sure what direction they were going for with this. Didn't really go deep enough in my opion into any one particular aspect whether it was regarding an incident or into deunking an incident. Nothing fresh, just some rehashing of a couple of cases and that was about it.

I loved how well made it was and hope that becomes the standard, but that was about the only thing I enjoyed about it by the time I finished it.

I've seen many pilots remember stuff wrong (since we have everything on video). Humans suck as witnesses in every other aspect, why would pilots be immune from that?

I want to see it on video. Has any better video been released since the 60 minute clip?

Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

---

Maybe there just wasn't a lot to go on? Particularly enough to fill four episodes or however many there were?

---

There's more than enough authentic UFO footage out there for something like this. And by "authentic" I simply mean not CGI, not that it's all actual footage of alien craft. Just actual footage of actual unidentified flying objects.

West Point Aggie said:

---

I totally believe in ETs and UFOs and all of that; I do not frankly need any of the shows, though they are entertaining for sure.

I mean, as I've said before, if sad little earth is the best the universe can do, then the universe sucks.

Parenthetically: I want to meet a combined 9-11, fake moon landing, earth is flat type! He/she/it would be crazy fun to listen to even if I can't believe a single word they utter!

---

Why? I would love to be able to go back in time to the Army Air Field in Roswell, NM back in 1947. The 509th was the only nuclear equipped unit in the world at the time. Would have been neat to hear and see the "officials" scrambling to come up with a quick alternative to the downed vehicle.

Now that would be real entertainment.

Video analyzing original UFO videos:

aTmAg said:

---

Video analyzing original UFO videos:

---

In addition, I think the countless witnesses to this reality could be more closely analyzed. Former gov contractors, military, astronauts et. al. Current and former intelligence officials as well. Should we be so quick to discount what they have and are continuing to state. Maybe telling that I can't think of a single incidence where someone stepped up and stated it was all a joke. Such and such was just saying that to get money etc. I think when the Pentagon came out and stated flatly that those Navy videos were indeed real "ufo" items, it gave many permission to look a bit more deeply into the subject. There is a LOT more out there. The dots are not that hard to connect.
I've heard that one of the primary reasons for the cover-up is how the truth might render the major religions "inert". Yes, its a troubling subject, but we would do well to seriously examine it IMO.

aTmAg said:

---

Did you watch the video? It explains it as a terrestrial phenomena. Not ET.

---

Yes and the pentagon has come and said it ain't ours. Clearly in 2017, the NYT was green-lighted on quoting them in their article. Not sure if that really means much though at this point.

The far easier explanation is that they are et in origin athough some could very well be ours and even ours from the future. (and theirs..)

"Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense."

Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.

Its quotes such as these from folk in a position to know that could very well be more of those dots to connect.

Or perhaps we should scramble to propose alternate intentions for their statements?

CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS, including aerospace/defense contractors and Vice Admiral Thomas R. Wilson must be held to address a vital issue that transcends politics and we will never properly advance until it happens: The 75+yr ongoing-constitutionally illegal,

EXTRATERRESTRIAL cover-up. How can we truly believe anything our elected officials say?

You have a problem. Seek help.

Of course you would point to a Mick West link as some kind of conclusive proof, as if everything in this video hasn't been debated and contested a million times over. An agenda-driven skeptic like West is far from the final word, especially seeing as many, many experts/pilots/first-hand witnesses disagree with West's many, many attempts to debunk this video as anything other than a genuine UAP, which even the Pentagon themselves have officially stated this is.

TCTTS said:

---

Of course you would point to a Mick West link as some kind of conclusive proof, as if everything in this video hasn't been debated and contested a million times over. An agenda-driven skeptic like West is far from the final word, especially seeing as many, many experts/pilots/first-hand witnesses disagree with West's many, many attempts to debunk this video as anything other than a genuine UAP, which even the Pentagon themselves have officially stated this is.

---

Oh, I missed the page here where this simulation was posted and we all discussed it. Can you provide a link?

(Sorry you find this video inconvenient for your conspiracy theory.)

Again, stated this before…I wish them stinking ETs would just land at 1030 AM, plain as day, like in every world capital…leave no doubt!

The entertainment that would follow would be impressive (unless they are here to exterminate us, then they should just STFO)

Having said all that, we may not be worth interaction with. I mean we are not even a 1 on the Kardashev scale (0.7 according to Carl Sagan). I've always felt we must be like a nature preserve to really intelligent life - cute to see, best to leave alone or ignore.

Filthy apes, basically.

aTmAg said:

---

You have a problem. Seek help.

---

What problem is that? TA has been the biggest "help". This reality is a fascinating one. Clearly more entertaining than ANY sci-fi flick. I've worn your shoes my friend.

Thoughts on the former CIA Directors statement?

West Point Aggie said:

---

Again, stated this before…I wish them stinking ETs would just land at 1030 AM, plain as day, like in every world capital…leave no doubt!

The entertainment that would follow would be impressive (unless they are here to exterminate us, then they should just STFO)

Having said all that, we may not be worth interaction with. I mean we are not even a 1 on the Kardashev scale (0.7 according to Carl Sagan). I've always felt we must be like a nature preserve to really intelligent life - cute to see, best to leave alone or ignore.

Filthy apes, basically.

---

Well, that would certainly be the human thing to do...they simply have chosen not to. I wouldn't wait on getting permission from the MSN to easily connect a few dots. Heck, the Pentagon has already said the Naval videos are real UFOs. Or is that another one of those conspiracies?

McKelveysCurse said:

---

West Point Aggie said:

---

Again, stated this before…I wish them stinking ETs would just land at 1030 AM, plain as day, like in every world capital…leave no doubt!

The entertainment that would follow would be impressive (unless they are here to exterminate us, then they should just STFO)

Having said all that, we may not be worth interaction with. I mean we are not even a 1 on the Kardashev scale (0.7 according to Carl Sagan). I've always felt we must be like a nature preserve to really intelligent life - cute to see, best to leave alone or ignore.

Filthy apes, basically.

---

Well, that would certainly be the human thing to do...they simply have chosen not to. I wouldn't wait on getting permission from the MSN to easily connect a few dots. Heck, the Pentagon has already said the Naval videos are real UFOs. Or is that another one of those conspiracies?

---

No not a conspiracy. Do you know what UFO means? Hint, it doesn't mean 'we know it's space aliens'.



It just means it is something yet to be identified. Like in the video above, very likely a simple instrument phenomena combined with normal objects. It just means the Navy hasn't identified it yet.

Or it could be deceptive editing. Has anyone seen the footage after the clip? Maybe it's clear there is an explanation and the govt selectively released just the part that looks strange. The people in the 60 Minutes segment and others are part of a govt conspiracy to release disinformation to mislead the public for a reason.

I'm talking just about the military sightings in that Pentagon report to Congress last year. Forget all the other "noise".

High ranking politicians on both sides of the aisle including a former president are on record stating there are strange objects violating our airspace, moving in ways we can't explain, and we don't know what they are. None of them have said it's little green men. I think they're more concerned it's China.

So either they are lying and part of that conspiracy, or there are strange objects.

I think that report looked at 144 military sightings and only 1 was explained away (weather balloon). If this was all some kind of sensor glitch or misidentification of known things (weather balloons, glare, atmospheric phenomenon, confusion because of angles and perspectives, etc) then a few more would have been explained away.

So either they are lying (most plausible explanation) or there are really strange objects . That is the debate in my opinion. We are past misidentification.

Again, just talking about the recent report.

Wow. It’s happening… https://t.co/OtAaS0Zo5E

— Ross Coulthart (@rosscoulthart) May 10, 2022

RIP Spyderman

aTmAg said:

---

TCTTS said:

---

Indeed. Spyderman, in particular, does more harm to this subject by *being Spyderman* than any hell-bent skeptic or denier.

---

Why do you think I asked that question?

---

Harm? Please explain-thanks. An old dog can learn new tricks if needed..

Would still like to hear what your thoughts are via the former CIA director.

Spyderman is gone. He did well. Got a lot of good legit info out there on to this site. School yard bullies took him out. Not ET related as best I could tell. Something else. I'll pick up the slack.



release date May 20