I believe the people are accurately relaying what they saw at the time. But I think most likely what they saw is experimental US military of foreign military drone technology. It seems awfully coincidental that the UFO just happens upon a US aircraft carrier and not a fishing barge. To me this most likely seems to be a "test" of new technology that was arranged ahead of time probably without the knowledge or cooperation of the pilots. What better way to test stealth capabilities or drone maneuverability than against top US planes and pilots. And they probably figured that the pilots would never be believed anyway. And of course the US government would never acknowledge a top secret experimental test program. So even though the government is involved and those on the UFO committees may be honest in what they are sharing, it does not mean that it isn't new US technology. And if fact I hope that it is. Or maybe its just Ironman.
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Blink twice if you're being suppressedSouthlake said:
I have 20k hours in the air and you wouldn't believe some of the freaky unexplained things I've seen up there.
JonSnow said:
I believe the people are accurately relaying what they saw at the time. But I think most likely what they saw is experimental US military of foreign military drone technology. It seems awfully coincidental that the UFO just happens upon a US aircraft carrier and not a fishing barge. To me this most likely seems to be a "test" of new technology that was arranged ahead of time probably without the knowledge or cooperation of the pilots. What better way to test stealth capabilities or drone maneuverability than against top US planes and pilots. And they probably figured that the pilots would never be believed anyway. And of course the US government would never acknowledge a top secret experimental test program. So even though the government is involved and those on the UFO committees may be honest in what they are sharing, it does not mean that it isn't new US technology. And if fact I hope that it is. Or maybe its just Ironman.
People like Chris Mellon, who worked for the Department of Defense and had access to classified black programs, swears up and down that we would NEVER test experimental tech against our own, unwitting military/pilots. Even black program tech that 99.9% of the military knew nothing about. He and others in-the-know say it's a virtual impossibility that we would surprise our own personnel and fleet in that way. There's simply way too much risk/liability in that.
Could he be wrong? Sure. But everything about this theory/scenario, in which we somehow posses tech that would literally change the world in every conceivable way, is almost more preposterous than the idea of aliens among us. Yes, again, we no doubt have plenty of top secret secret sh*t in development at various military installations/aerospace companies that would blow us away. But if we've somehow conquered gravity, can now bend space-time, and have figured out how to produce/harness the insane amount of energy to do so (and fit it in the size of a normal battery/engine, at that) - and our own government is keeping these discoveries from mankind - it would be a crime against humanity of the highest order; worse than keeping the existence of alien life classified. So many of the world's gravest problems would be instantly solved.
It's just so incredibly hard for me to believe that we actually have in our possession that kind of tech, aren't using it to solve the biggest issues that plague our society/planet is, *and* are testing it against our own military personnel unwittingly. It truly is easier for me to believe that a civilization with a just a thousand year head start is visiting us instead.
Just to play devils advocate, if it were some sort of technology in its infancy that we can't do anything useful with, such as along the 3-d laser pointer type thing opposed to an actual space/air craft. Then I could see the tech being kept classified and it not being a game changer... yet.
I hear you. Considering how advanced it is, it would seem weird to me that we would have the tech to test/fly these things every single day for years and years, and it couldn't have already been applied to, say, a car or a residential power grid, but I guess it's not out of the realm of possibility.
That said, the other thing to consider is that pilots have been seeing these things not just years but for decades. And we definitely didn't have this tech back then.
That said, the other thing to consider is that pilots have been seeing these things not just years but for decades. And we definitely didn't have this tech back then.
Elizondo needs to be played by Kris Kristofferson in the movie. Also, they're not aliens. They are Djinn.TCTTS said:AliasMan02 said:
Talking about extraterrestrial life, there are two mathematical facts that are really fascinating parts of the equation to me.
Mathematically, it's impossible that there ISN'T alien life in our own galaxy. The galaxy is too vast for there not to be more basically like us.
Also mathematically, it's incredibly unlikely that another civilization exists at the same time as us, just because the time factor is so vast and our existence is so short.
It all kinda lines up to make the extradimensional angle seem more likely to me.
That's super interesting. Touching on Luis Elizondo again, he's been hinting recently that the extradimensional angle seems to be the most popular theory behind closed doors, among those "in-the-know" (who, for the record merely know more than us, but don't have the full picture either).
Elizondo is apparently part of the 60 Minutes segment on Sunday, and if there is ever a movie about this period in time, he'll be the lead the character, no doubt. The dude is as credible as they come, has been officially confirmed as having the job he claims he had (again, head of the Pentagon's UAP Taskforce), has all kinds of classified clearance, and seems to be studying the phenomenon with the purest intent and clearest of eyes.
"and our own government is keeping these discoveries from mankind - it would be a crime against humanity of the highest order; worse than keeping the existence of alien life classified. So many of the world's gravest problems would be instantly solved."
We live in a country where one person can be on probation for the same crime and another will go to prison for 10+ years. Our people have to pay $3,000 for insulin (to not die)- a 80+ year old drug that should be out of any patent protection. The governor of CA is still forcing his residents to wear masks in violation of the CDC purely for his own power trip. 50+ years after JFK assassinated they won't release all of the files. Don't put anything past the government. It's absolutely legal for the government to lie to its citizens.
We live in a country where one person can be on probation for the same crime and another will go to prison for 10+ years. Our people have to pay $3,000 for insulin (to not die)- a 80+ year old drug that should be out of any patent protection. The governor of CA is still forcing his residents to wear masks in violation of the CDC purely for his own power trip. 50+ years after JFK assassinated they won't release all of the files. Don't put anything past the government. It's absolutely legal for the government to lie to its citizens.
Anyone else watch that zoom call someone posted a few pages back? It was 2 hours long and I can say I watched it.
Batzarro said:
"and our own government is keeping these discoveries from mankind - it would be a crime against humanity of the highest order; worse than keeping the existence of alien life classified. So many of the world's gravest problems would be instantly solved."
We live in a country where one person can be on probation for the same crime and another will go to prison for 10+ years. Our people have to pay $3,000 for insulin (to not die)- a 80+ year old drug that should be out of any patent protection. The governor of CA is still forcing his residents to wear masks in violation of the CDC purely for his own power trip. 50+ years after JFK assassinated they won't release all of the files. Don't put anything past the government. It's absolutely legal for the government to lie to its citizens.
I never said the government doesn't lie to its citizens. Of course they lie us. But this would be so many magnitudes greater than any issues with insulin, masks, and JFK.
If our government has somehow developed gravity-manipulating, space-time bending, unlimited-powered craft (all three of which would have to exist to be able to pull off the maneuvers being seen and tracked), we could...
- Solve climate change
- Provide unlimited power to every man, woman, and child on Earth
- Increase everyday computing power beyond our wildest dreams
- Travel anywhere on the planet instantaneously, solving hunger, revolutionizing trade, and fundamentally changing the way we live
- Be a multi-planetary species *this* decade
... among myriad other solutions. You really think we've developed this kind of tech, but have been keeping it under lock and key on some secret military base for at least the past 20 years, if not the past eight decades?
I'm sorry, I just don't buy it.
And this is exactly why you need to watch the Unacknowledged!!!
I see the middle school aliens have arrived
Steven Greer is one of the guys in the community that if I see he is apart of it, I avoid or turn it off.
Oh, wait, Grier is involved with that? If so...
Flashdiaz said:
so in a thread about more proof about aliens and the life changing impact it should have, the discussion has devolved to politics, post deletion and star counts.
Please aliens, save us!
No wonder they immediately turned around.
Ugh... just watch it. It's really good. Pass your Hollywood critical judgment after! Hahah
Ha, Grier is a huckster and a snake oil salesman. At best, he's the boy who cried wolf. I'll give it a shot at some point, and I'm sure there's worthy stuff in it, but his involvement kills my interested level.
There is an electronic arms race that is going on every day. For example, there is a thing called "war reserve". Basically, everybody has radar modes and techniques that they are saving for war time. We (nor they) want each other to record these modes, as it gives the enemy a big advantage. A pilot would get into deep trouble if he accidentally turned one of these on during peace time.
Whenever you hear stories of an enemy aircraft flying aggressively towards our airspace, ships, aircraft, etc. it's almost certainly because that aircraft is recording radar emissions and is hoping to catch us using a new mode/technique that they were previously unaware of. Of course we are not stupid, and do not oblige.
However, what if we were convinced it wasn't the Russians or Chinese? But some alien aircraft? Would we turn on war reserve then? I hope not, but I can imagine the Russians/Chinese hoping so. Why not make a secret drone that looks and behaves as weird as possible in hopes of tricking us into blasting it with classified radar emissions? Maybe that worked once a few decades ago, and they just keep trying?
This may explain why "UFO's" seem to always appear to our military, but nobody else.
Whenever you hear stories of an enemy aircraft flying aggressively towards our airspace, ships, aircraft, etc. it's almost certainly because that aircraft is recording radar emissions and is hoping to catch us using a new mode/technique that they were previously unaware of. Of course we are not stupid, and do not oblige.
However, what if we were convinced it wasn't the Russians or Chinese? But some alien aircraft? Would we turn on war reserve then? I hope not, but I can imagine the Russians/Chinese hoping so. Why not make a secret drone that looks and behaves as weird as possible in hopes of tricking us into blasting it with classified radar emissions? Maybe that worked once a few decades ago, and they just keep trying?
This may explain why "UFO's" seem to always appear to our military, but nobody else.
mathematically speaking - show your workAliasMan02 said:
Talking about extraterrestrial life, there are two mathematical facts that are really fascinating parts of the equation to me.
Mathematically, it's impossible that there ISN'T alien life in our own galaxy. The galaxy is too vast for there not to be more basically like us.
Also mathematically, it's incredibly unlikely that another civilization exists at the same time as us, just because the time factor is so vast and our existence is so short.
It all kinda lines up to make the extradimensional angle seem more likely to me.
Many sightings have been near domestic or foreign military installations. Why? Domestic sightings are near hidden alien bases to provide more protections of alien tech and to ensure most sightings are made by military. Overseas sighting are made near areas of interest of Space Force, which has been operational for decades and has bases as far as Titan. We are amidst a long journey to full disclosure of alien life and how their technology has been harnessed by our military.
I keep seeing this, but I am not sure this is accurate. There are a lot of civilian aircraft complaints of ufo's as well, it's just that they don't have all the onboard data capture capabilities. Also we seem to give more credit to military personal, so part of this disclosure push has had an emphasis on military events and witnesses.aTmAg said:
This may explain why "UFO's" seem to always appear to our military, but nobody else.
He is talking about the Drake equation. Problem is that multiple variables are completely speculative in their values. To say with any certainty that any of the various results you can get from using the formula can be relied upon is nonsense.Ragoo said:mathematically speaking - show your workAliasMan02 said:
Talking about extraterrestrial life, there are two mathematical facts that are really fascinating parts of the equation to me.
Mathematically, it's impossible that there ISN'T alien life in our own galaxy. The galaxy is too vast for there not to be more basically like us.
Also mathematically, it's incredibly unlikely that another civilization exists at the same time as us, just because the time factor is so vast and our existence is so short.
It all kinda lines up to make the extradimensional angle seem more likely to me.
Fenrir said:He is talking about the Drake equation. Problem is that multiple variables are completely speculative in their values. To say with any certainty that any of the various results you can get from using the formula can be relied upon is nonsense.Ragoo said:mathematically speaking - show your workAliasMan02 said:
Talking about extraterrestrial life, there are two mathematical facts that are really fascinating parts of the equation to me.
Mathematically, it's impossible that there ISN'T alien life in our own galaxy. The galaxy is too vast for there not to be more basically like us.
Also mathematically, it's incredibly unlikely that another civilization exists at the same time as us, just because the time factor is so vast and our existence is so short.
It all kinda lines up to make the extradimensional angle seem more likely to me.
The equation is useful even if just illustrative. Space is soooo vast. The conditions that created intelligent life on Earth must be replicated countless times over the cosmos, just as a function of the number of times nature rolled the dice.
Some that research etc. the subject have a similar take on Steven Greer. Not sure how close you follow the subject, but curious on your take? Its the SETI folk that get a big NOPE from me.Mr President Elect said:
Steven Grier is one of the guys in the community that if I see he is apart of it, I avoid or turn it off.
gracias
Grab some popcorn...why the ongoing cover-up? The Phenomenon: FF to 1:22:35 https://tubitv.com/movies/632920/the-phenomenon
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We have no idea how difficult or unlikely abiogenesis even is and without that the rest of the formula is pointless. Get past that and you still have to have simple, single cell life transition to multi-cellular life and survive long enough to become intelligent life, then said intelligent life has to be capable and willing to create devices which will intentionally or accidentally broadcast their existence for a period of time long enough that those signals can be detected. It's purely speculation and to claim that mathematics shows a claim with certainty you cannot have one much less four variables of unknown quantity.
Yes, there are billions of planets that are situated in the hospitable zones of potentially hospitable stars in our galaxy. The sheer quantity does not necessarily overcome the fact we have no idea how likely four of the variables are. They (or at least one) may be impossibly unlikely themselves. As a result we have a range of potentially intelligent life forms that spans from 1 to essentially infinity.
It's illustrative of how big our galaxy and universe are and how bad the odds of complex, intelligent life forming must be if we are alone. That's about all you can say about it with any certainty though.
Yes, there are billions of planets that are situated in the hospitable zones of potentially hospitable stars in our galaxy. The sheer quantity does not necessarily overcome the fact we have no idea how likely four of the variables are. They (or at least one) may be impossibly unlikely themselves. As a result we have a range of potentially intelligent life forms that spans from 1 to essentially infinity.
It's illustrative of how big our galaxy and universe are and how bad the odds of complex, intelligent life forming must be if we are alone. That's about all you can say about it with any certainty though.
That's why it's so important to look for life, or signs of life, or the building blocks of life, in the solar system.
Mars, liquid moons, comets and asteroids are all close enough to search and may show that life can develop elsewhere.
For now there is a big fat zero in the "other life" variable and makes all the other variables useless.
Mars, liquid moons, comets and asteroids are all close enough to search and may show that life can develop elsewhere.
For now there is a big fat zero in the "other life" variable and makes all the other variables useless.
snowdog90 said:TCTTS said:Batzarro said:
"and our own government is keeping these discoveries from mankind - it would be a crime against humanity of the highest order; worse than keeping the existence of alien life classified. So many of the world's gravest problems would be instantly solved."
We live in a country where one person can be on probation for the same crime and another will go to prison for 10+ years. Our people have to pay $3,000 for insulin (to not die)- a 80+ year old drug that should be out of any patent protection. The governor of CA is still forcing his residents to wear masks in violation of the CDC purely for his own power trip. 50+ years after JFK assassinated they won't release all of the files. Don't put anything past the government. It's absolutely legal for the government to lie to its citizens.
I never said the government doesn't lie to its citizens. Of course they lie us. But this would be so many magnitudes greater than any issues with insulin, masks, and JFK.
If our government has somehow developed gravity-manipulating, space-time bending, unlimited-powered craft (all three of which would have to exist to be able to pull off the maneuvers being seen and tracked), we could...
- Solve climate change
- Provide unlimited power to every man, woman, and child on Earth
- Increase everyday computing power beyond our wildest dreams
- Travel anywhere on the planet instantaneously, solving hunger, revolutionizing trade, and fundamentally changing the way we live
- Be a multi-planetary species *this* decade
... among myriad other solutions. You really think we've developed this kind of tech, but have been keeping it under lock and key on some secret military base for at least the past 20 years, if not the past eight decades?
I'm sorry, I just don't buy it.
Your list of things to solve is very telling. You really have no clue how the world works if you think there's some altruistic group or government entity that wants to solve the world's problems and make the earth a better place for everyone.
Al Gore's been lying about climate change for decades and the only thing he's solved is how to make his net worth grow exponentially.
I don't know about aliens or alien technology, but to base your belief, to any extent, on the assumption that the knowledgeable, powerful people who were aware of the technology would have shared it with humanity if it existed is incredibly naive.
Ah, yes, effectively claiming "climate change is a hoax" while, in the very next breath, saying *I'm* the one being naive, is about as on brand for this site as I can imagine.
Somebody said somewhere that the military supposedly had daily sightings or something to that effect. That's what I'm addressing.Mr President Elect said:I keep seeing this, but I am not sure this is accurate. There are a lot of civilian aircraft complaints of ufo's as well, it's just that they don't have all the onboard data capture capabilities. Also we seem to give more credit to military personal, so part of this disclosure push has had an emphasis on military events and witnesses.aTmAg said:
This may explain why "UFO's" seem to always appear to our military, but nobody else.
During the interview of one of the aviators from the Virginia sightings, they mentioned "daily" incidents.
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