Is Greenland next?

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Malibu
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Maroon Dawn said:

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Ag87H2O said:

"... collective governance gives way to "relentless" competition ..."

Spoken like a true Socialist. So wrong in so may ways. America became what it is precisely because we didn't follow the European model

It also became the way it is because we wrote the rules of law and people trusted us and did business with us because we followed those rules. Now were opting out of those rules and wishcasting the chart still goes up and to the right.


Your fellow socialists are terrified that they might have to put more money into defense than socialism and are throwing a temperate to keep US subsidizing them

No, I'm terrified that blowing the international order that we built to take a glacial landmass we already have military and economic access to will lead a worthless dollar and substantially higher borrowing costs. You know, things that make capitalism a lot harder. But hey, keep beating the drum that this is just Marxists malcontents that would celebrate terrorists killing Americans, and ignore the economic data and real world playing out right now. Everyone can see what a serious political analyst you are, as good as you are at football analysis.


You're so busy playing goalie for your fellow Marxists you refuse to question WHY they are throwing a temper tantrum over greater US defense presence on what's an essentially worthless ice sheet

The only answer is what I said. They are TERRIFIED of greater US security from Russia leading to less subsidizing of their welfare state through defense there is no other actual explanation

You've reframed the argument as greater US security in Greenland (no one is opposed to this) from what it actually is, economic coercion and refusing to rule out use of force to take possession of Greenland. Once you're up to speed on what this thread is actually about, you can try again to make a different argument to support your foregone conclusion that I am a terrorist supporting communist.


Oh look you're doing that Leftist lying thing again

"He refused to rule out force"

Have you refused to rule out that you won't plant a bomb at the capital?

No?!??? Terrorist!!!!

That's how you're terrible leftist tactic works and no one is buying it

Trump was asked, directly, today, in a press conference to rule out force. He declined to do so. Since you're asking, hell yes I will rule out being a terrorist, are you out of your damned mind? Trump could have responded accordingly.


He refused to rise to a leftist reporter bait trap of "when did you stop beating your wife" and it's proof Malibu will soon be deported a Greenland gulag after the occupation

Do you ever listen to yourself and the nonsense you allow yourself to believe in defense of Leftism?

Are you at all paying attention to world leaders and financial markets? Presidents signal restraint all the damned time to reassure allies and calm markets. The world takes notice to what is said and everyone rationally hedges away from us.
Malibu
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thanks Scott. And declining equities?
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Maroon Dawn said:

ETFan said:

Maroon Dawn said:

Malibu said:

Maroon Dawn said:

Malibu said:

Maroon Dawn said:

Malibu said:

Maroon Dawn said:

Malibu said:

Ag87H2O said:

"... collective governance gives way to "relentless" competition ..."

Spoken like a true Socialist. So wrong in so may ways. America became what it is precisely because we didn't follow the European model

It also became the way it is because we wrote the rules of law and people trusted us and did business with us because we followed those rules. Now were opting out of those rules and wishcasting the chart still goes up and to the right.


Your fellow socialists are terrified that they might have to put more money into defense than socialism and are throwing a temperate to keep US subsidizing them

No, I'm terrified that blowing the international order that we built to take a glacial landmass we already have military and economic access to will lead a worthless dollar and substantially higher borrowing costs. You know, things that make capitalism a lot harder. But hey, keep beating the drum that this is just Marxists malcontents that would celebrate terrorists killing Americans, and ignore the economic data and real world playing out right now. Everyone can see what a serious political analyst you are, as good as you are at football analysis.


You're so busy playing goalie for your fellow Marxists you refuse to question WHY they are throwing a temper tantrum over greater US defense presence on what's an essentially worthless ice sheet

The only answer is what I said. They are TERRIFIED of greater US security from Russia leading to less subsidizing of their welfare state through defense there is no other actual explanation

You've reframed the argument as greater US security in Greenland (no one is opposed to this) from what it actually is, economic coercion and refusing to rule out use of force to take possession of Greenland. Once you're up to speed on what this thread is actually about, you can try again to make a different argument to support your foregone conclusion that I am a terrorist supporting communist.


Oh look you're doing that Leftist lying thing again

"He refused to rule out force"

Have you refused to rule out that you won't plant a bomb at the capital?

No?!??? Terrorist!!!!

That's how you're terrible leftist tactic works and no one is buying it

Trump was asked, directly, today, in a press conference to rule out force. He declined to do so. Since you're asking, hell yes I will rule out being a terrorist, are you out of your damned mind? Trump could have responded accordingly.


He refused to rise to a leftist reporter bait trap of "when did you stop beating your wife" and it's proof Malibu will soon be deported a Greenland gulag after the occupation

Do you ever listen to yourself and the nonsense you allow yourself to believe in defense of Leftism?

The only answer is no. This is defense of America, has nothing to do with left or right. What the hell is going on...


It's such a broad question as to be meaningless. What is force? Under what circumstances? Against who?

He was right to not rise to such stupidity


It seems like a pretty simple question and answer. "Are you planning on using military force if Greenland continues to say no to an acquisition?"

The answer is "no". Because we're not invading a NATO country. He can't say that because it would ruin his big bad tough guy image I guess.
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Windy City Ag said:

There are so many leashes on the White House and they will be yanked hard at some point.
this is the bear case for anything truly harmful coming out of the greenland posturing. the immediate economic fallout from the immense stupidity of "liberation day", chief among them surging treasury yields, made trump TACO big time on those tariffs. now it's happening again.

affordability is the #1 issue this midterm. stupid as trump is, even he wouldn't want to dig his party into a deeper hole by spiking bond yields ahead of a midterm.
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Ag87H2O said:

Well, Bessent just blew up that narrative. Be interesting to see what the next one from the left will be.

It will remain the same because the left is too stupid to understand that the Japan yen carry trade is having a massive impact on bonds globally. Their 30-year bonds are melting down but ItS aLl AbOuT GrEeNlAnD aNd TrUmP iS a NaZi!!!! Reeeeeeee!
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Kansas Kid said:

I personally don't think this is about military bases because as you point out, we already can have all the bases we want on the island any more than Venezuela was about eliminating a dictator/drug trade. Venezuela has been shown to be about oil (ironically at the expense of US oil and gas exploration see below) and Greenland is about controlling metal ores.

Want proof, Denmark could offer to sell Greenland but maintain mineral rights and I seriously doubt Trump would take the deal.

What do you think would happen if Denmark offered Trump a deal where he could buy the mineral rights for Greenland, but could not put any bases there.

I doubt he would take that deal either.

He wants Greenland.
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Malibu said:

thanks Scott. And declining equities?

Directly correlated to bond volatility that is a direct result of JGBs melting down. Equities don't like bond volatility.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/japan-40-bond-yield-hits-031341886.html
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carl spacklers hat said:

Ag87H2O said:

Well, Bessent just blew up that narrative. Be interesting to see what the next one from the left will be.

It will remain the same because the left is too stupid to understand that the Japan yen carry trade is having a massive impact on bonds globally. Their 30-year bonds are melting down but ItS aLl AbOuT GrEeNlAnD aNd TrUmP iS a NaZi!!!! Reeeeeeee!

Yep, either their ragingTDS is blinding them or they are being intentionally obtuse. Either way they are dead wrong - once again.

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He wouldn't take that deal because Greenland's value is more than just its mineral resources. The strategic location of the island offers first line defense in the event of Russian military aggression from the Barents Sea.
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carl spacklers hat said:

Malibu said:

thanks Scott. And declining equities?

Directly correlated to bond volatility that is a direct result of JGBs melting down. Equities don't like bond volatility.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/japan-40-bond-yield-hits-031341886.html

Oh they're trying to Liz Truss the new more right wing PM. What a shocker.
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Yep. And while everyone is hand-wringing over an island in the North Atlantic, Japanese bonds are blowing up, which has a WAY bigger impact globally than any saber-rattling Trump is doing regarding Greenland. But, wankers have to blame someone and Trump is the main guy for the Left. So, no matter what's going on in global financial markets, its Trump's fault. Morons.
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TexAgs91 said:

Kansas Kid said:

I personally don't think this is about military bases because as you point out, we already can have all the bases we want on the island any more than Venezuela was about eliminating a dictator/drug trade. Venezuela has been shown to be about oil (ironically at the expense of US oil and gas exploration see below) and Greenland is about controlling metal ores.

Want proof, Denmark could offer to sell Greenland but maintain mineral rights and I seriously doubt Trump would take the deal.

What do you think would happen if Denmark offered Trump a deal where he could buy the mineral rights for Greenland, but could not put any bases there.

I doubt he would take that deal either.

He wants Greenland.

He is saying the reason he wants is for national security. As a reminder:

"We need Greenland from the standpoint of national security," U.S. President Donald Trump told reporters onboard Air Force One on Sunday.

The comedy of this argument is we already have the right to add all the bases we want already in Greenland. For those say that they could remove us by breaking or canceling the treaty, please let us know how they could actually do it. I would rather have this and Venezuela explained as these are about controlling natural resources and nor for the other pretenses being given.
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Kansas Kid said:

TexAgs91 said:

Kansas Kid said:

I personally don't think this is about military bases because as you point out, we already can have all the bases we want on the island any more than Venezuela was about eliminating a dictator/drug trade. Venezuela has been shown to be about oil (ironically at the expense of US oil and gas exploration see below) and Greenland is about controlling metal ores.

Want proof, Denmark could offer to sell Greenland but maintain mineral rights and I seriously doubt Trump would take the deal.

What do you think would happen if Denmark offered Trump a deal where he could buy the mineral rights for Greenland, but could not put any bases there.

I doubt he would take that deal either.

He wants Greenland.

He is saying the reason he wants is for national security. As a reminder:

"We need Greenland from the standpoint of national security," U.S. President Donald Trump told reporters onboard Air Force One on Sunday.

The comedy of this argument is we already have the right to add all the bases we want already in Greenland.
For those say that they could remove us by breaking or canceling the treaty, please let us know how they could actually do it. I would rather have this and Venezuela explained as these are about controlling natural resources and nor for the other pretenses being given.

It's unbelievable the amount of people here in the US that don't know this simple fact that instantly invalidates Trump's statement.

I have been following this whole thing from the start but I admittedly didn't lend much credence to it at first. But now? What the **** are we doing? I haven't read this whole thread but I imagine it's the same argument as all the others. "Trump is doing some bad stuff" followed by those trying to rationalize the irrational because they open their holes for him in every way possible.

I've looked at this from several angles and honestly KISS and Occam's Razor both point to delusions of grandeur from Trump.

This is not what I voted for. Not even f'ing close.
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Old McDonald said:

Windy City Ag said:

There are so many leashes on the White House and they will be yanked hard at some point.
this is the bear case for anything truly harmful coming out of the greenland posturing. the immediate economic fallout from the immense stupidity of "liberation day", chief among them surging treasury yields, made trump TACO big time on those tariffs. now it's happening again.

affordability is the #1 issue this midterm. stupid as trump is, even he wouldn't want to dig his party into a deeper hole by spiking bond yields ahead of a midterm.



Greenland has zero to do with the yields on our bonds moving higher.
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I haven't read the whole thing (not even close), but you accurately described the few pages I read. Nobody has told us why the current arrangement is inadequate; the closest anybody got was "Europe is going to pot so we need to prepare for the future." Doesn't hold water since Greenland is nearly devoid of people and we're at zero risk of losing our military base there. That is, we already have everything we'd get from acquiring the place and we aren't in danger of losing it anytime soon (and the moment those advantages are put at risk, we can surge troops into Greenland in <24 hours).

Not what I voted for either. I have a very low opinion of the EU and don't trust them long term, but that's no reason to torch what remains of our relationship for literally nothing.

I honestly believe this is trump vanity and a desire to be the first person to add territory to the country in however many decades.
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If there was an island to take over for national security, it is without a doubt Cuba. It would be easy to take, it has massive influence over our trade routes in and out of the Gulf, it sits 90 miles off our coast and it has been an enemy for most of Texags poster's lives.
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Does Denmark have the right to refuse any specific defense capabilities we wish to add to our base(s)? In other words, can we really do anything we want or does Denmark have oversight? Find it hard to believe that we can really just do anything we want.
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You are wrong on this point:

The comedy of this argument is we already have the right to add all the bases we want already in Greenland. For those say that they could remove us by breaking or canceling the treaty, please let us know how they could actually do it. I would rather have this and Venezuela explained as these are about controlling natural resources and nor for the other pretenses being given.

I suggest you listen to this episode of Midrats that brings up Colin Powell signed new agreement in I think 2004.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3j7mqbdvSckVBM3mhoIFSE?si=DSxBNPaSRs2mh4A4vtUm_A

Enjoy.
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agent-maroon said:

Does Denmark have the right to refuse any specific defense capabilities we wish to add to our base(s)? In other words, can we really do anything we want or does Denmark have oversight? Find it hard to believe that we can really just do anything we want.

Yes they do. You can learn more about them from Midrats episode on the subject:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3j7mqbdvSckVBM3mhoIFSE?si=DSxBNPaSRs2mh4A4vtUm_A

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Malibu said:

Maroon Dawn said:

Malibu said:

Maroon Dawn said:

Malibu said:

Maroon Dawn said:

Malibu said:

Maroon Dawn said:

Malibu said:

Ag87H2O said:

"... collective governance gives way to "relentless" competition ..."

Spoken like a true Socialist. So wrong in so may ways. America became what it is precisely because we didn't follow the European model

It also became the way it is because we wrote the rules of law and people trusted us and did business with us because we followed those rules. Now were opting out of those rules and wishcasting the chart still goes up and to the right.


Your fellow socialists are terrified that they might have to put more money into defense than socialism and are throwing a temperate to keep US subsidizing them

No, I'm terrified that blowing the international order that we built to take a glacial landmass we already have military and economic access to will lead a worthless dollar and substantially higher borrowing costs. You know, things that make capitalism a lot harder. But hey, keep beating the drum that this is just Marxists malcontents that would celebrate terrorists killing Americans, and ignore the economic data and real world playing out right now. Everyone can see what a serious political analyst you are, as good as you are at football analysis.


You're so busy playing goalie for your fellow Marxists you refuse to question WHY they are throwing a temper tantrum over greater US defense presence on what's an essentially worthless ice sheet

The only answer is what I said. They are TERRIFIED of greater US security from Russia leading to less subsidizing of their welfare state through defense there is no other actual explanation

You've reframed the argument as greater US security in Greenland (no one is opposed to this) from what it actually is, economic coercion and refusing to rule out use of force to take possession of Greenland. Once you're up to speed on what this thread is actually about, you can try again to make a different argument to support your foregone conclusion that I am a terrorist supporting communist.


Oh look you're doing that Leftist lying thing again

"He refused to rule out force"

Have you refused to rule out that you won't plant a bomb at the capital?

No?!??? Terrorist!!!!

That's how you're terrible leftist tactic works and no one is buying it

Trump was asked, directly, today, in a press conference to rule out force. He declined to do so. Since you're asking, hell yes I will rule out being a terrorist, are you out of your damned mind? Trump could have responded accordingly.


He refused to rise to a leftist reporter bait trap of "when did you stop beating your wife" and it's proof Malibu will soon be deported a Greenland gulag after the occupation

Do you ever listen to yourself and the nonsense you allow yourself to believe in defense of Leftism?

Are you at all paying attention to world leaders and financial markets? Presidents signal restraint all the damned time to reassure allies and calm markets. The world takes notice to what is said and everyone rationally hedges away from us.


More leftist BS

The bond market is responding to Japan, not this tiny minuscule sell off

Please stop with the leftist propaganda
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This probably won't make you feel any better because perception is reality, but the only reason they dropped in the first place was because Trump announced they were going to have Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac buy mortgage bonds. And that was just a floated idea with no further talk or action on it. So, really that brief dip in mortgage rates was a bit of hopium anyway.
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Sorry but I am old enough to remember this movie. Might as well be about Greenland. Ninety percent of it, anyway.



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Greenland is also open for business as far as foreign investment is concerned. This includes mining operations. American mining companies are legally allowed to purchase the mining leases and get the permits from the Greenland government. This stuff is already allowed. Or if Apple or Google or Facebook wanted to build a facility in Greenland, they could do that. A facility in Nuuk with 500 employees is legally a possibility.
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I can't wait until we discover lost Nazi bases under the ice there with Germans in them who never realized the war ended.
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Maybe true but who would get the royalties on minerals produced /mined and taxes on the economic activity ? I'm not saying that's a major driver but it is a consideration .
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YouBet said:

This probably won't make you feel any better because perception is reality, but the only reason they dropped in the first place was because Trump announced they were going to have Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac buy mortgage bonds. And that was just a floated idea with no further talk or action on it. So, really that brief dip in mortgage rates was a bit of hopium anyway.

I get that, and this spike might just as soon disappear also. But they did move up sharply today due to the perception that a renewed US/Euro trade war could lead to higher inflation. They were moving up over the weekend after Trump's threat before the Japanese bond issue popped up, so I don't agree with another poster's statement that Greenland had nothing to do with today's US bond movement. It certainly impacted the US stock market.

This is all noise anyhow. The bigger issues impacting our bond market will be if bond investors don't think we're taking inflation seriously (Trump's attacks on Fed independence) and/or if our growing national debt and large budget deficits of 6% to 7% per year increase the risk the US will just print its way out of it (more inflation).
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The government of Greenland would be the ones to get that. They may have to split it with Denmark for now. A lot of people there see the mining and other economic activities as a key to eventual independence.
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KentK93 said:

agent-maroon said:

Does Denmark have the right to refuse any specific defense capabilities we wish to add to our base(s)? In other words, can we really do anything we want or does Denmark have oversight? Find it hard to believe that we can really just do anything we want.

Yes they do. You can learn more about them from Midrats episode on the subject:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3j7mqbdvSckVBM3mhoIFSE?si=DSxBNPaSRs2mh4A4vtUm_A

Great episode to reference, thanks!

Add, we really need to own it outright such that a future Jimmy Carter type of Democrat/race-communist can't just give it away easily la Panama Canal (or for that matter agreeing to pay the Philipino's a hundred million a year for the privilege of protecting them still, triggering the escalating demands that led to a loss of the bases entirely 12 years later).

Separately, I was unaware King Charles was attending Davos, amid all the Greenland discussions happening there.

Oh by the way, the Kingdom of Denmark is still to this day a constitutional monarchy as well, run by Frederik X, who chickened out of going to Davos. But if globalists and communists didn't have double standards…
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There is no small irony in that and the fact that Europe still has 12 monarchies left on the Continent.
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aggiehawg said:

Sorry but I am old enough to remember this movie. Might as well be about Greenland. Ninety percent of it, anyway.







There is a non zero chance that this entire exercise is because Trump loves that movie.
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K2-HMFIC said:

aggiehawg said:

Sorry but I am old enough to remember this movie. Might as well be about Greenland. Ninety percent of it, anyway.







There is a non zero chance that this entire exercise is because Trump loves that movie.


Pure delusion. No one said Trump loves the movie.
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Yet Howard Hughes, as he was getting more and more crazy nuts, bought a Las Vegas TV station so he could demand Ice Station Zebra be broadcast over and over and over late at night. Crazy but true.
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Since they were talking about Greenland, I will post this here.

"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."

- Abraham Lincoln
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Kansas Kid said:

If there was an island to take over for national security, it is without a doubt Cuba. It would be easy to take, it has massive influence over our trade routes in and out of the Gulf, it sits 90 miles off our coast and it has been an enemy for most of Texags poster's lives.
How is Cuba's location strategic in regards to Russia or China?

Europe is collapsing. Marxists and Muslims are taking over. Who is looking out for the US?
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nortex97 said:


Oh by the way, the Kingdom of Denmark is still to this day a constitutional monarchy as well, run by Frederik X, who chickened out of going to Davos. But if globalists and communists didn't have double standards…
These idiots. What have any of them done to repel King Putin? They're impotent.

The whole of San Francisco has more testosterone than Europe.
 
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