K2-HMFIC said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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KentK93 said:

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This is worth a read because he makes a lot of points I haven't seen in other post on this matter:

From Winston Marshall:

The Greenland issue has exposed two fundamental misconceptions widely held by Europeans elites

1. That the rules based world order ever existed.

No. It was only ever a mirage, American might and money kept Europe afloat

2. It is America causing the "turbulence" and threatening world stability.

No. America is in a Thucydides Trap. The threat to the world is China. U.S. are acting in response.

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This stuff isn't difficult to understand. People just have to remove their emotions and think about the situation with their brains. Instead, some people hyperventilate when they hear the name "Trump." Some people think that the Europe of today is the Europe of 1950.

We are essentially in geopolitics alone. If we don't look out for our own interests, no one else will. We have financially supported Europe for 80 years. It makes no sense for us whatsoever. We have to either force Europe to act to protect itself or we have to act in our own interests. Those are our choices.

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This assumes Europe has no power or control.

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Europe has no power or control. Theyve been regulated to monitors of the situation

Dirty_Mike&the_boys said:

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Want to know why Trump never said out loud that he wouldn't take Greenland by force? This right here. Leaving them guessing keeps the Euros in check. Noow they are trying to beat their chests....

BREAKING: European Parliament halts work on US trade deal in response to Trump Greenland push pic.twitter.com/Nxb5RszWjn

— Fox News (@FoxNews) January 21, 2026

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Almost like picking a pointless fight with our allies served no purpose. Hopefully we start seeing more of Vance soon.

fc2112 said:

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Since the Arctic Ocean is now becoming navigable, the strategic importance of Greenland cannot be overstated.

It is BY FAR the quickest route from China to Europe. It is most of Russia's coastline.

And there's two ways in and out - right by Alaska and right by - Greenland.

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That little short film on youtube was very clear on this, and it made me think that there are TWO major reasons why the dems (and everyone else) should recognize why it makes sense that Trump is pressing on this now:

1. If you are a true believer in global warming, then the natural result is the polar ice caps are getting smaller. If this is indeed the case, then navigation routes once closed to shipping are now opening. China and Russia both now have fleet access to the eastern US and western Europe that was previously closed to traffic. This is a security threat to both the US and Europe.

2. If you are a Ukraine supporter and believe that Russia is indeed on a new imperialistic expansionist trend, see point #1.

The map that shows the planet from the North Pole clearly illustrates how prescient it was for the US to obtain Alaska in the 1950's as the "front door" to the western US mainland from potential Russian aggression. But, if Alaska is the "front door", the Greenland is most assuredly the "back door" to the eastern US - especially with a melting ice cap - not to mention it's strategic location from a missile defense standpoint.



Calling him crazy for focusing on Greenland flies in the face of so many things the dems claim to care about.

ETFan said:

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ETFan said:

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Trump: "We're also the most secure. As an example, Iceland, without tariffs they wouldn't even be talking to us about it. So we'll see what happens." pic.twitter.com/YTB5xUH3vA

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) January 20, 2026

Greenland or Iceland? Who knows.

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Trump appears to be repeatedly mixing up Greenland and Iceland during his speech at Davos. pic.twitter.com/kkwXdX6NQs

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) January 21, 2026

Greenland or Iceland? Who knows.

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Well, Greenland's full of ice, and Iceland is full of grass, so....

so we won't be sending in the 101st Airborne to liberate Rejkjavik now.

Who?mikejones! said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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KentK93 said:

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This is worth a read because he makes a lot of points I haven't seen in other post on this matter:

From Winston Marshall:

The Greenland issue has exposed two fundamental misconceptions widely held by Europeans elites

1. That the rules based world order ever existed.

No. It was only ever a mirage, American might and money kept Europe afloat

2. It is America causing the "turbulence" and threatening world stability.

No. America is in a Thucydides Trap. The threat to the world is China. U.S. are acting in response.

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This stuff isn't difficult to understand. People just have to remove their emotions and think about the situation with their brains. Instead, some people hyperventilate when they hear the name "Trump." Some people think that the Europe of today is the Europe of 1950.

We are essentially in geopolitics alone. If we don't look out for our own interests, no one else will. We have financially supported Europe for 80 years. It makes no sense for us whatsoever. We have to either force Europe to act to protect itself or we have to act in our own interests. Those are our choices.

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This assumes Europe has no power or control.

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Europe has no power or control. Theyve been regulated to monitors of the situation

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They own 30% of foreign T-bills and are our largest trading partner.

Pretending they dont have power here is asinine.

The Sun said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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KentK93 said:

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This is worth a read because he makes a lot of points I haven't seen in other post on this matter:

From Winston Marshall:

The Greenland issue has exposed two fundamental misconceptions widely held by Europeans elites

1. That the rules based world order ever existed.

No. It was only ever a mirage, American might and money kept Europe afloat

2. It is America causing the "turbulence" and threatening world stability.

No. America is in a Thucydides Trap. The threat to the world is China. U.S. are acting in response.

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This stuff isn't difficult to understand. People just have to remove their emotions and think about the situation with their brains. Instead, some people hyperventilate when they hear the name "Trump." Some people think that the Europe of today is the Europe of 1950.

We are essentially in geopolitics alone. If we don't look out for our own interests, no one else will. We have financially supported Europe for 80 years. It makes no sense for us whatsoever. We have to either force Europe to act to protect itself or we have to act in our own interests. Those are our choices.

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This assumes Europe has no power or control.

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Europe has no power or control. Theyve been regulated to monitors of the situation

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They own 30% of foreign T-bills and are our largest trading partner.

Pretending they dont have power here is asinine.

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When you owe someone a little money, you have a problem. When you owe someone a lot of money, they have a problem.

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It's a bit more complicated than that...

They can choose an alternative partner economically...it doesnt have to be us.

This is a good piece of it imo. The Chicomms have to be considered

Where do they get their energy? How do they protect their supplies coming by sea?

Old McDonald said:

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jrdaustin said:

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Calling him crazy for focusing on Greenland flies in the face of so many things the dems claim to care about.

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no one is calling him crazy for focusing on greenland, they're calling him crazy for threatening a hostile takeover of greenland when we already have free reign to do whatever we want there.

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Euros are trying to limit our presence there on purpose. They're terrified that if we have Greenland as an early warning/first strike base then we have an advantage over Russia and will then stop subsidizing Euro defense and force them to give up large amounts of the it welfare states

Always follow the money

No Spin Ag said:

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ETFan said:

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ETFan said:

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Trump: "We're also the most secure. As an example, Iceland, without tariffs they wouldn't even be talking to us about it. So we'll see what happens." pic.twitter.com/YTB5xUH3vA

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) January 20, 2026

Greenland or Iceland? Who knows.

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Trump appears to be repeatedly mixing up Greenland and Iceland during his speech at Davos. pic.twitter.com/kkwXdX6NQs

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) January 21, 2026

Greenland or Iceland? Who knows.

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In all fairness, all those people do look the same.

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DJT hasn't seen Mighty Ducks 2?!?

LNG is a fungible resource…

Protect? From what? Are you insinuating that the US is going to sink their LNG ships?

The point of this all is they don't have to trade with us…and in that scenario…I only see one winner (as halfastros identified).

A good bit of their energy supply ( approx 70%) is hydroelectric . Rest is mostly diesel. Energy needs are currently pretty small like well less than say …Shreveport .

Old McDonald said:

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Maroon Dawn said:

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Euros are trying to limit our presence there on purpose.

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how, specifically? what do we want or need to do in greenland that is not permissible currently?

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Setting up Minuteman IIIs and the latest ICBM counter missles.

They do not want us to have our Golden Dome or Fortress North America

They want us to continue pouring billions into their economies to keep preparing for a Cold War era land invasion of Western Europe that simply isn't coming anymore

K2-HMFIC said:

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The Sun said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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KentK93 said:

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This is worth a read because he makes a lot of points I haven't seen in other post on this matter:

From Winston Marshall:

The Greenland issue has exposed two fundamental misconceptions widely held by Europeans elites

1. That the rules based world order ever existed.

No. It was only ever a mirage, American might and money kept Europe afloat

2. It is America causing the "turbulence" and threatening world stability.

No. America is in a Thucydides Trap. The threat to the world is China. U.S. are acting in response.

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This stuff isn't difficult to understand. People just have to remove their emotions and think about the situation with their brains. Instead, some people hyperventilate when they hear the name "Trump." Some people think that the Europe of today is the Europe of 1950.

We are essentially in geopolitics alone. If we don't look out for our own interests, no one else will. We have financially supported Europe for 80 years. It makes no sense for us whatsoever. We have to either force Europe to act to protect itself or we have to act in our own interests. Those are our choices.

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This assumes Europe has no power or control.

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Europe has no power or control. Theyve been regulated to monitors of the situation

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They own 30% of foreign T-bills and are our largest trading partner.

Pretending they dont have power here is asinine.

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When you owe someone a little money, you have a problem. When you owe someone a lot of money, they have a problem.

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It's a bit more complicated than that...

They can choose an alternative partner economically...it doesnt have to be us.

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Yes it does. The purchasing power of the American consumer is still second to none - by a large margin. They aren't walking away from that. They need our markets.

Most of Europes energy comes from outside US & Middle East which means most of it is shipped & there are choke points that the EU can't defend without the US.

They make some interesting points on the UK & Greenland

Maroon Dawn said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Maroon Dawn said:

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Euros are trying to limit our presence there on purpose.

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how, specifically? what do we want or need to do in greenland that is not permissible currently?

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Setting up Minuteman IIIs and the latest ICBM counter missles.

They do not want us to have our Golden Dome or Fortress North America

They want us to continue pouring billions into their economies to keep preparing for a Cold War era land invasion of Western Europe that simply isn't coming anymore

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That would certainly be news to the Danes, as the treaty that currently exists specifically allows for a system similar to a Golden Dome, and the Danes have pledged $6.5 billion for missile defense in Greenland.
Again, we can do everything we want to do there right now. You can't take a right you already have.

Pretty decent Trump impression as well

HTownAg98 said:

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Maroon Dawn said:

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Old McDonald said:

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Maroon Dawn said:

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Euros are trying to limit our presence there on purpose.

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how, specifically? what do we want or need to do in greenland that is not permissible currently?

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Setting up Minuteman IIIs and the latest ICBM counter missles.

They do not want us to have our Golden Dome or Fortress North America

They want us to continue pouring billions into their economies to keep preparing for a Cold War era land invasion of Western Europe that simply isn't coming anymore

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That would certainly be news to the Danes, as the treaty that currently exists specifically allows for a system similar to a Golden Dome, and the Danes have pledged $6.5 billion for missile defense in Greenland.
Again, we can do everything we want to do there right now. You can't take a right you already have.

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And like all Euro pledges to increase military spending, they talk big but never deliver. They've only actually released about 1% of the proposed amount.

dvldog said:

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Pretty decent Trump impression as well

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Agree! He almost nailed but forgot to add hand jesters.

Here's my take.

There's about 12 towns in Greenland that are 1000 people or more. Let Denmark keep them.

The rest of Greenland is undeveloped and ripe for the taking. We take it.

Maroon Dawn said:

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Setting up Minuteman IIIs and the latest ICBM counter missles.

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and why do we need to write denmark a check for $700 billion or invade it before doing this? rather than operating within or renegotiating existing arrangements?

K2-HMFIC said:

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Who?mikejones! said:

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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KentK93 said:

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This is worth a read because he makes a lot of points I haven't seen in other post on this matter:

From Winston Marshall:

The Greenland issue has exposed two fundamental misconceptions widely held by Europeans elites

1. That the rules based world order ever existed.

No. It was only ever a mirage, American might and money kept Europe afloat

2. It is America causing the "turbulence" and threatening world stability.

No. America is in a Thucydides Trap. The threat to the world is China. U.S. are acting in response.

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This stuff isn't difficult to understand. People just have to remove their emotions and think about the situation with their brains. Instead, some people hyperventilate when they hear the name "Trump." Some people think that the Europe of today is the Europe of 1950.

We are essentially in geopolitics alone. If we don't look out for our own interests, no one else will. We have financially supported Europe for 80 years. It makes no sense for us whatsoever. We have to either force Europe to act to protect itself or we have to act in our own interests. Those are our choices.

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This assumes Europe has no power or control.

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Europe has no power or control. Theyve been regulated to monitors of the situation

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They own 30% of foreign T-bills and are our largest trading partner.

Pretending they dont have power here is asinine.

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Tanking our bond market would not go well for anyone, including the holders. Im not sure shooting oneself in the foot that way provides that much leverage.

Yes, Europe could move to trade more with China and/or brics etc, and that'd be on them. It would certainly hurt. But, doing that would certainly lead to the loss of their security blanket under which they have built their nations since ww2 and would forego the subsidies (essentially subsidies) they get from America. Just as we rely on them, they rely on us and simply switching to China will not be as easy or seamless as you propose.

Again, I dont think threatening military action or tariffs are good ideas. On the other hand, it seems like those two specific threats are the only thing that get Europe to move.

Id rather skip the euros all together and deal directly with the danes and Greenlanders to purchase all or some of the greenland.

The just signed it late last year. Do you really expect them to write a check for the rest tomorrow? And the reason they passed it is because we hadn't done anything there in years. Sounds there's an opportunity for us to do something in concert with the Danes.

Old McDonald said:

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jrdaustin said:

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Calling him crazy for focusing on Greenland flies in the face of so many things the dems claim to care about.

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no one is calling him crazy for focusing on greenland, they're calling him crazy for threatening a hostile takeover of greenland when we already have free reign to do whatever we want there.

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Everyone keeps talking about free reign to do whatever we want. Why? Yes, Anything we do in Greenland on our current bases we have free reign on. But any new bases, or movement outside of those bases can be vetoed by the Danish government if they are so inclined. As I understand it, they also have full access to the security and operations of our bases and anything we do there, since it's their land and their sovereignty.

In short, a potential security risk.

Not to say I have concerns of Demark selling secrets to the Chinese or Russians, but they definitely have access to everything we do there. And they have veto power over additional bases/activities off the bases. So no. We can't summarily do whatever we want there.

And one more point. Since Denmark has sovereign control over Greenland, there is nothing in the Treaty that prohibits them from making deals with China or Russia for REMs or other activities allowing them access on the island. Again, not saying they would, but many in Europe have made some very questionable decisions lately. Look no further than Germany and their Nordstream II deal.

HTownAg98 said:

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The just signed it late last year. Do you really expect them to write a check for the rest tomorrow? And the reason they passed it is because we hadn't done anything there in years. Sounds there's an opportunity for us to do something in concert with the Danes.

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Denmark imports almost a quarter of their energy needs from Russia while telling us sure, we'll let you use our land to significantly weaken and counter Russia, just give us a little more time before we make good on those promises!

Europe depends too much on Russian and Chinese imports to pretend they are neutral parties in all this and aren't being economically pressured by them to not give in to American security demands

Old McDonald said:

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Maroon Dawn said:

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Euros are trying to limit our presence there on purpose.

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how, specifically? what do we want or need to do in greenland that is not permissible currently?

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Keep China out.

I'm convinced you have some nefarious javascript to upvote your posts.

The Danes have rebuffed every Chinese effort to establish a foothold in the region.