Is Greenland next?

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K2-HMFIC said:

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

Why does this whole Greenland thing rile up so many average Americans? Is it just TDS? If Trump somehow ended up getting us Greenland(I don't think it will happen), are these people going to lose their minds over it?

It's literally an 80-20 issue.

Blowing up NATO, destroying our economic relationship with Europe, which would tank the market...because...

(checks notes)

Someone didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize.


He's probably still pissed he didn't win homecoming queen either
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Yes, I am sure that's it.
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dds08 said:

Perhaps Trump wants to get this deal closed before midterms because he doesn't want to risk having repubs lose the house and fumble everything away entirely.

He's already dreading dems impeach him if they get control of the house.

Unfortunately our nation is the arbiters of freedom and peace worldwide. There's no way we can let Russia or China be the world's police. Their benevolence level is too low.

We must squash this counter to the SWIFT payment system and the BRICS currency.

I mean...at this point...what incentives do the Europeans have to cooperate w/us?
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K2-HMFIC said:

TacosaurusRex said:

K2-HMFIC said:

TacosaurusRex said:

Deputy Travis Junior said:

Ramdiesel said:

Deputy Travis Junior said:

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

It must be nice for the EU that they have a bunch of mouth breathers here in the US that take their side over our own countries interests. All of this stuff started when Trump started demanding fair trade deals with our supposed allies like Canada and the European countries. The TDS riddled mouth breathers couldn't believe that Trump would dare try to get us more fair trade deals than the garbage deals that were in place before.


How is it in our interest to annex Greenland? We have a military base there where we already have free rein to do just about whatever we want (why literally tried to dig nuclear missile silos under ice sheets during the Cold War and hid a lot of the details from Denmark) and Denmark knows where their bread is buttered so they follow our lead on just about everything related to national security. This is pointless. We already have the benefits while Denmark does all the administrative work. What are we getting that we don't already have?

Also, I have a very low opinion of the European Union, but antagonizing them for the lulz is stupid. A meh ally is better than no ally.


You answered your own question. More and more of the European countries are "meh" allies now. They used to be pretty solid unquestionable allies..What will they be in the future as they grow into more and more Muslim like territories? Buying Greenland now is a play for what is pretty easy to predict is coming in the future. I mean you can already see which direction their loyalties are headed, they've gone from solid to "meh"... We don't want to just be "renting" Greenland when/if the day comes they decide they have no loyalty to us.



I don't find this compelling at all. There are <60k people in Greenland and we already have a military base there. If we ever find ourselves in a position where we have to take it for national security purposes, we can do so in 24 hours.

Nobody has articulated why the status quo (military base in a country run by a staunch ally) is inadequate. This looks like a solution in search of a problem.

Because you are looking through the lens of the past. You keep using the word "staunch ally," when they are anything but. I also want to know what kind of defenses you can set up if it came to the point where you had to take Greenland by force. This seems like a great plan, and I hope it is your kids building those bases and not mine if we follow your plan.

Staunch allies don't invite your biggest threat into the kitchen. Greenland has been told repeatedly to stop partnering itself with Chinese shipping companies. Did they? Nope. What are they doing to protect NORAD besides letting the Chinese have access right next to these systems? What are they doing to be a serious member of NATO? They can't protect Americas north, which means we have to protect it anyways, so it has to be under our control. The only thing the EU can be counted on is giving up their countries to foreigners and locking up those that speak about it.

I appreciate the people that do not want to upset the applecart, but if you haven't noticed it yet, we will have another world war. I would like my country to be doing everything it can to prepare for it.


Let's dissect this.
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Greenland has been told repeatedly to stop partnering itself with Chinese shipping companies. Did they? Nope.

Well…according to shipping records only 15 Chinese commercial vessels visited Greenland last year.
The Port of Long Beach get's more in a single day.

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What are they doing to protect NORAD besides letting the Chinese have access right next to these systems?


Where are the Chinese getting access next to Pitffuik? That is literally not true.
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What are they doing to be a serious member of NATO?

I served w/the Danes in Afghanistan…and 43 of them died there supporting the only ever activation of Article V.
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They can't protect Americas north, which means we have to protect it anyways, so it has to be under our control.

Well…the Thule Agreement already gives us that…so what else do we need? Be specific.

I will answer the only one that matters.

All of it. Full and total control. Greenland becomes an independent territory outside of defense and free trade.

Why?

You keep failing to answer that.

What specifically do we NOT have right now that we need?

Just saying the words "full and total control" isn't a justification.

Why? It is very simple. As I already said, trusting someone else for your own defense is a losing proposition. Especially countries that do not share our own beliefs, or have the same goals.
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TacosaurusRex said:

K2-HMFIC said:

TacosaurusRex said:

K2-HMFIC said:

TacosaurusRex said:

Deputy Travis Junior said:

Ramdiesel said:

Deputy Travis Junior said:

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

It must be nice for the EU that they have a bunch of mouth breathers here in the US that take their side over our own countries interests. All of this stuff started when Trump started demanding fair trade deals with our supposed allies like Canada and the European countries. The TDS riddled mouth breathers couldn't believe that Trump would dare try to get us more fair trade deals than the garbage deals that were in place before.


How is it in our interest to annex Greenland? We have a military base there where we already have free rein to do just about whatever we want (why literally tried to dig nuclear missile silos under ice sheets during the Cold War and hid a lot of the details from Denmark) and Denmark knows where their bread is buttered so they follow our lead on just about everything related to national security. This is pointless. We already have the benefits while Denmark does all the administrative work. What are we getting that we don't already have?

Also, I have a very low opinion of the European Union, but antagonizing them for the lulz is stupid. A meh ally is better than no ally.


You answered your own question. More and more of the European countries are "meh" allies now. They used to be pretty solid unquestionable allies..What will they be in the future as they grow into more and more Muslim like territories? Buying Greenland now is a play for what is pretty easy to predict is coming in the future. I mean you can already see which direction their loyalties are headed, they've gone from solid to "meh"... We don't want to just be "renting" Greenland when/if the day comes they decide they have no loyalty to us.



I don't find this compelling at all. There are <60k people in Greenland and we already have a military base there. If we ever find ourselves in a position where we have to take it for national security purposes, we can do so in 24 hours.

Nobody has articulated why the status quo (military base in a country run by a staunch ally) is inadequate. This looks like a solution in search of a problem.

Because you are looking through the lens of the past. You keep using the word "staunch ally," when they are anything but. I also want to know what kind of defenses you can set up if it came to the point where you had to take Greenland by force. This seems like a great plan, and I hope it is your kids building those bases and not mine if we follow your plan.

Staunch allies don't invite your biggest threat into the kitchen. Greenland has been told repeatedly to stop partnering itself with Chinese shipping companies. Did they? Nope. What are they doing to protect NORAD besides letting the Chinese have access right next to these systems? What are they doing to be a serious member of NATO? They can't protect Americas north, which means we have to protect it anyways, so it has to be under our control. The only thing the EU can be counted on is giving up their countries to foreigners and locking up those that speak about it.

I appreciate the people that do not want to upset the applecart, but if you haven't noticed it yet, we will have another world war. I would like my country to be doing everything it can to prepare for it.


Let's dissect this.
Quote:

Greenland has been told repeatedly to stop partnering itself with Chinese shipping companies. Did they? Nope.

Well…according to shipping records only 15 Chinese commercial vessels visited Greenland last year.
The Port of Long Beach get's more in a single day.

Quote:

What are they doing to protect NORAD besides letting the Chinese have access right next to these systems?


Where are the Chinese getting access next to Pitffuik? That is literally not true.
Quote:

What are they doing to be a serious member of NATO?

I served w/the Danes in Afghanistan…and 43 of them died there supporting the only ever activation of Article V.
Quote:

They can't protect Americas north, which means we have to protect it anyways, so it has to be under our control.

Well…the Thule Agreement already gives us that…so what else do we need? Be specific.

I will answer the only one that matters.

All of it. Full and total control. Greenland becomes an independent territory outside of defense and free trade.

Why?

You keep failing to answer that.

What specifically do we NOT have right now that we need?

Just saying the words "full and total control" isn't a justification.

Why? It is very simple. As I already said, trusting someone else for your own defense is a losing proposition. Especially countries that do not share our own beliefs, or have the same goals.

Again...we have a treaty that already gives us the ability to establish as much defense in Greenland as we want...

Come on...what more do you want? Try to be specific.
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More incentive than we have to still be involved in NATO.

NATO is a huge net negative to America at this point. NATO's correct response to Greenland talk would have been, "We agree that Greenland is of critical strategic importance. We are going to begin building up defenses there, and we will start with European forces." Not 35 people, but a serious commitment.

They didn't and won't do that because they're incapable of doing that. Their reaction has proven the President's point.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

The media loves to put the worst spin on everything. Or just flat make up the "news."

It's quite obvious Trump is starting a negotiation. He's not going to invade Greenland. But I guess the EU's leaders are just as gullible as the people hyperventilating into their paper bags.

The left will never learn. Trump keeps them back on their heels so badly they are constantly on overload and resort to Orange man bad. The CM outrage here this morning is particularly entertaining.

Trump is looking out for America and is going to do everything within his power to maximize our national security both now and into the future. He isn't waiting for bad stuff to happen. He's looking at the chess board and doing what he can to keep it tilted in our favor. That has certainly ruffled the feathers of the America haters and globalist cadre.

Trump and his team have identified a huge strategic problem and they see a solution that is attainable. Who gives a crap if the Europeans bi*** and whine for a few weeks. In the end, it will be better for them as well.

As the old saying goes - You know you are close to the target when you start seeing flak. By the level of drama and pretend outrage here this morning, he must be straight over the bullseye.
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I want to acquire it and mine tf out of it.
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K2-HMFIC said:

dds08 said:

Perhaps Trump wants to get this deal closed before midterms because he doesn't want to risk having repubs lose the house and fumble everything away entirely.

He's already dreading dems impeach him if they get control of the house.

Unfortunately our nation is the arbiters of freedom and peace worldwide. There's no way we can let Russia or China be the world's police. Their benevolence level is too low.

We must squash this counter to the SWIFT payment system and the BRICS currency.

I mean...at this point...what incentives do the Europeans have to cooperate w/us?


You act like all of this is happening because "mean old Trump is bullying the Europeans". The Euro's have been leeching off of us and screwing us over in trade deals for decades. Without us funding and providing their defenses, their stupid socialist programs would have cratered.
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Exactly right. Well put.
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And Europe is still paying Russia like they're the mafia.
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K2-HMFIC said:

TacosaurusRex said:

K2-HMFIC said:

TacosaurusRex said:

K2-HMFIC said:

TacosaurusRex said:

Deputy Travis Junior said:

Ramdiesel said:

Deputy Travis Junior said:

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

It must be nice for the EU that they have a bunch of mouth breathers here in the US that take their side over our own countries interests. All of this stuff started when Trump started demanding fair trade deals with our supposed allies like Canada and the European countries. The TDS riddled mouth breathers couldn't believe that Trump would dare try to get us more fair trade deals than the garbage deals that were in place before.


How is it in our interest to annex Greenland? We have a military base there where we already have free rein to do just about whatever we want (why literally tried to dig nuclear missile silos under ice sheets during the Cold War and hid a lot of the details from Denmark) and Denmark knows where their bread is buttered so they follow our lead on just about everything related to national security. This is pointless. We already have the benefits while Denmark does all the administrative work. What are we getting that we don't already have?

Also, I have a very low opinion of the European Union, but antagonizing them for the lulz is stupid. A meh ally is better than no ally.


You answered your own question. More and more of the European countries are "meh" allies now. They used to be pretty solid unquestionable allies..What will they be in the future as they grow into more and more Muslim like territories? Buying Greenland now is a play for what is pretty easy to predict is coming in the future. I mean you can already see which direction their loyalties are headed, they've gone from solid to "meh"... We don't want to just be "renting" Greenland when/if the day comes they decide they have no loyalty to us.



I don't find this compelling at all. There are <60k people in Greenland and we already have a military base there. If we ever find ourselves in a position where we have to take it for national security purposes, we can do so in 24 hours.

Nobody has articulated why the status quo (military base in a country run by a staunch ally) is inadequate. This looks like a solution in search of a problem.

Because you are looking through the lens of the past. You keep using the word "staunch ally," when they are anything but. I also want to know what kind of defenses you can set up if it came to the point where you had to take Greenland by force. This seems like a great plan, and I hope it is your kids building those bases and not mine if we follow your plan.

Staunch allies don't invite your biggest threat into the kitchen. Greenland has been told repeatedly to stop partnering itself with Chinese shipping companies. Did they? Nope. What are they doing to protect NORAD besides letting the Chinese have access right next to these systems? What are they doing to be a serious member of NATO? They can't protect Americas north, which means we have to protect it anyways, so it has to be under our control. The only thing the EU can be counted on is giving up their countries to foreigners and locking up those that speak about it.

I appreciate the people that do not want to upset the applecart, but if you haven't noticed it yet, we will have another world war. I would like my country to be doing everything it can to prepare for it.


Let's dissect this.
Quote:

Greenland has been told repeatedly to stop partnering itself with Chinese shipping companies. Did they? Nope.

Well…according to shipping records only 15 Chinese commercial vessels visited Greenland last year.
The Port of Long Beach get's more in a single day.

Quote:

What are they doing to protect NORAD besides letting the Chinese have access right next to these systems?


Where are the Chinese getting access next to Pitffuik? That is literally not true.
Quote:

What are they doing to be a serious member of NATO?

I served w/the Danes in Afghanistan…and 43 of them died there supporting the only ever activation of Article V.
Quote:

They can't protect Americas north, which means we have to protect it anyways, so it has to be under our control.

Well…the Thule Agreement already gives us that…so what else do we need? Be specific.

I will answer the only one that matters.

All of it. Full and total control. Greenland becomes an independent territory outside of defense and free trade.

Why?

You keep failing to answer that.

What specifically do we NOT have right now that we need?

Just saying the words "full and total control" isn't a justification.

Why? It is very simple. As I already said, trusting someone else for your own defense is a losing proposition. Especially countries that do not share our own beliefs, or have the same goals.

Again...we have a treaty that already gives us the ability to establish as much defense in Greenland as we want...

Come on...what more do you want? Try to be specific.

We have a lot of treaties that get stomped on all day. You can keep trusting the EU, we want the country to move forward with our own defense.

I already told you what we want, you just didn't like it. Full control over our defense. Fortunately for Greenland, they are a part of that plan.
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When did American leftists become such lovers of NATO? I seem to recall historically that the left hated NATO as a symbol of American imperialism and a constant provoker of Russia. They preferred the UN over NATO but suddenly they are equally loved by the left. What happened?
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Ag87H2O said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

The media loves to put the worst spin on everything. Or just flat make up the "news."

It's quite obvious Trump is starting a negotiation. He's not going to invade Greenland. But I guess the EU's leaders are just as gullible as the people hyperventilating into their paper bags.

The left will never learn. Trump keeps them back on their heels so badly they are constantly on overload and resort to Orange man bad. The CM outrage here this morning is particularly entertaining.

Trump is looking out for America and is going to do everything within his power to maximize our national security both now and into the future. He isn't waiting for bad stuff to happen. He's looking at the chess board and doing what he can to keep it tilted in our favor. That has certainly ruffled the feathers of the America haters and globalist cadre.

Trump and his team have identified a huge strategic problem and they see a solution that is attainable. Who gives a crap if the Europeans bi*** and whine for a few weeks. In the end, it will be better for them as well.

As the old saying goes - You know you are close to the target when you start seeing flak. By the level of drama and pretend outrage here this morning, he must be straight over the bullseye.


What is the strategic problem when we can place as many US Armed Forces facilities as we desire on Greenland?
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They have both become globalist's tools.
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Can we? Seems to me that NATO might even send 100 soldiers on commercial flights to "stop us" if we tried.
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t_J_e_C_x said:

Ag87H2O said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

The media loves to put the worst spin on everything. Or just flat make up the "news."

It's quite obvious Trump is starting a negotiation. He's not going to invade Greenland. But I guess the EU's leaders are just as gullible as the people hyperventilating into their paper bags.

The left will never learn. Trump keeps them back on their heels so badly they are constantly on overload and resort to Orange man bad. The CM outrage here this morning is particularly entertaining.

Trump is looking out for America and is going to do everything within his power to maximize our national security both now and into the future. He isn't waiting for bad stuff to happen. He's looking at the chess board and doing what he can to keep it tilted in our favor. That has certainly ruffled the feathers of the America haters and globalist cadre.

Trump and his team have identified a huge strategic problem and they see a solution that is attainable. Who gives a crap if the Europeans bi*** and whine for a few weeks. In the end, it will be better for them as well.

As the old saying goes - You know you are close to the target when you start seeing flak. By the level of drama and pretend outrage here this morning, he must be straight over the bullseye.


What is the strategic problem when we can place as many US Armed Forces facilities as we desire on Greenland?

Dude...don't make them answer that question...I have yet to see a cogent response.

The most they muster is an all caps "TOTAL CONTROL"...
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t_J_e_C_x said:

Ag87H2O said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

The media loves to put the worst spin on everything. Or just flat make up the "news."

It's quite obvious Trump is starting a negotiation. He's not going to invade Greenland. But I guess the EU's leaders are just as gullible as the people hyperventilating into their paper bags.

The left will never learn. Trump keeps them back on their heels so badly they are constantly on overload and resort to Orange man bad. The CM outrage here this morning is particularly entertaining.

Trump is looking out for America and is going to do everything within his power to maximize our national security both now and into the future. He isn't waiting for bad stuff to happen. He's looking at the chess board and doing what he can to keep it tilted in our favor. That has certainly ruffled the feathers of the America haters and globalist cadre.

Trump and his team have identified a huge strategic problem and they see a solution that is attainable. Who gives a crap if the Europeans bi*** and whine for a few weeks. In the end, it will be better for them as well.

As the old saying goes - You know you are close to the target when you start seeing flak. By the level of drama and pretend outrage here this morning, he must be straight over the bullseye.


What is the strategic problem when we can place as many US Armed Forces facilities as we desire on Greenland?

What is the practical difference of invading Greenland and 'placing as many US Armed Forces as we desire on Greenland'?

If we can occupy the territory and do what we want anyway like you suggest, why saddle ourselves with a uncooperative 'partner' that contributes nothing and has questionable allegiance? Why give the keys to your operation to an entity that has demonstrated a willingness to deal with your enemy?
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American Hardwood said:

When did American leftists become such lovers of NATO? I seem to recall historically that the left hated NATO as a symbol of American imperialism and a constant provoker of Russia. They preferred the UN over NATO but suddenly they are equally loved by the left. What happened?



Trump happened.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

And Europe is still paying Russia like they're the mafia.

Europe isn't our friend. They have used us and taken advantage of our generosity for decades, and now all there is to show for it are a bunch of left wing, Islamic tilting states that argue and fight with us at every turn on foreign policy. Even the UK is not reliable any longer. People have to understand that post WW2 Europe is a thing of the past.

America better start looking out for America, and particuilarly in this hemisphere. We run the show over here, and if Greenland is part of that national security strategy, so be it. In the end, Greenlanders will benefit as much as any American. Trump isn't looking to enslave or rule over them. He's looking to make a deal that will both enrich Greenland and make this hemisphere safer.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

dds08 said:

Perhaps Trump wants to get this deal closed before midterms because he doesn't want to risk having repubs lose the house and fumble everything away entirely.

Sadly, republicans are doing NOTHING. They refuse to even confirm his judicial appointees. They would rather lose than see Trump's agenda fully implemented.


Don't have the guts to end the filibuster and then do good things. The buster is the greatest political cya ever.
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Part of the strategic answer is "rare earth minerals" If we unentangle our electronics necessities from a small island that is a stones throw away from a known enemy the better off we are.
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Ag87H2O said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

And Europe is still paying Russia like they're the mafia.

Europe isn't our friend. They have used us and taken advantage of our generosity for decades, and now all there is to show for it are a bunch of left wing, Islamic tilting states that argue and fight with us at every turn on foreign policy. Even the UK is not reliable any longer. People have to understand that post WW2 Europe is a thing of the past.

America better start looking out for America, and particuilarly in this hemisphere. We run the show over here, and if Greenland is part of that national security strategy, so be it. In the end, Greenlanders will benefit as much as any American. Trump isn't looking to enslave or rule over them. He's looking to make a deal that will both enrich Greenland and make this hemisphere safer.


If what you say is true, then Greenlanders should just vote to join the USA.
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I appreciate your response. I should have used a different emoji to indicate the rhetorical nature of my question. I think both responses I got are correct. They oppose Trump on everything AND NATO has become another yet another socialist system wherein the wealthy are siphoned for resources to support the entitled who contribute little and by-and-large, have become disdainful towards their sugar daddy.
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FobTies said:



So is this a typical Trump negotiation where he starts at the most extreme side of the subject and then works toward the middle as negotiations continue? Or is Trump truly entertaining military action against an ally under the pretense of making America safer? Curios why he is taking this tactic when closed-door diplomacy might yield similar results without the hubris.
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zag213004 said:

K2-HMFIC said:

Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

Why does this whole Greenland thing rile up so many average Americans? Is it just TDS? If Trump somehow ended up getting us Greenland(I don't think it will happen), are these people going to lose their minds over it?

It's literally an 80-20 issue.

Blowing up NATO, destroying our economic relationship with Europe, which would tank the market...because...

(checks notes)

Someone didn't get the Nobel Peace Prize.


He's probably still pissed he didn't win homecoming queen either


How can anyone fall for this being about the flippin Nobel prize? As stated, that was for Machado's support back home in VZ.

Let's also add in that this was discussed EXTENSIVELY in 2017 / 2018 including actual leaked information in 2019. If not for impeachment hoaxes and Chinese bioweapons, this likely gets done in the 1st term. And who championed that? Well let's go to Ronald Lauder, a RONALD REAGAN acolyte and appointee back in the 1980's/

Are we now to believe the heir to a makeup empire is a war mongering lackey of Trump's out to get revenge over a medal awarded by the charity established by the king of TNT?

I mean just give research and history a bit of a try before you read the words of some hack journalist and their commie rags regarding how things are playing out and why.
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Buttermaker said:

Ag87H2O said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

And Europe is still paying Russia like they're the mafia.

Europe isn't our friend. They have used us and taken advantage of our generosity for decades, and now all there is to show for it are a bunch of left wing, Islamic tilting states that argue and fight with us at every turn on foreign policy. Even the UK is not reliable any longer. People have to understand that post WW2 Europe is a thing of the past.

America better start looking out for America, and particuilarly in this hemisphere. We run the show over here, and if Greenland is part of that national security strategy, so be it. In the end, Greenlanders will benefit as much as any American. Trump isn't looking to enslave or rule over them. He's looking to make a deal that will both enrich Greenland and make this hemisphere safer.


If what you say is true, then Greenlanders should just vote to join the USA.

They're not allowed to even vote for independence (let alone meet with the US independently to discuss) without the approval of the colonial Danish parliament.
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Unlike Catalonians, Greenlanders have an international right to self-determination, which applies to the people of former colonies.

As a result, other countries have generally been less reluctant to recognise their secession. Although Greenland is part of the Kingdom of Denmark, there is no doubt that the Greenlandic people have a right to self-determination. This is confirmed in the Self-Government Act.

The Act states that the decision regarding Greenland's independence rests with the Greenlandic people. However, independence requires an agreement between Naalakkersuisut (Greenland's government) and the Danish government, to be approved by a referendum in Greenland and by a vote in the Danish Parliament.

This is how colonialism has worked for centuries; 'sure, you can separate and be independent or do what you want, as long as we approve of it.'
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Buttermaker said:

Ag87H2O said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

And Europe is still paying Russia like they're the mafia.

Europe isn't our friend. They have used us and taken advantage of our generosity for decades, and now all there is to show for it are a bunch of left wing, Islamic tilting states that argue and fight with us at every turn on foreign policy. Even the UK is not reliable any longer. People have to understand that post WW2 Europe is a thing of the past.

America better start looking out for America, and particuilarly in this hemisphere. We run the show over here, and if Greenland is part of that national security strategy, so be it. In the end, Greenlanders will benefit as much as any American. Trump isn't looking to enslave or rule over them. He's looking to make a deal that will both enrich Greenland and make this hemisphere safer.


If what you say is true, then Greenlanders should just vote to join the USA.

I personally think they would be better off as a territory of the United States and that way they could reap the benefits of the alliance and still maintain a good level of independence, but I guess statehood wouldn'td be off the table either if they wanted it.

What is crazy to me is that we would let something less than 57,000 people have veto power over what was in the best security interests for hundreds of millions, or perhaps even billions in this hemisphere. If we were ever attacked by Russia or China, we stand to lose 57,000 in a single engagement.

Again, we aren't looking to enslave Greenlanders, just make their lives better and this hemisphere a lot safer.
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carl spacklers hat said:

FobTies said:



So is this a typical Trump negotiation where he starts at the most extreme side of the subject and then works toward the middle as negotiations continue? Or is Trump truly entertaining military action against an ally under the pretense of making America safer? Curios why he is taking this tactic when closed-door diplomacy might yield similar results without the hubris.


Rubio and team is the behind the doors team. Trump is the circus act out front that keeps everyone guessing and wondering if he is serious. Pretty brilliant when it works
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FobTies said:




Such a stable genius
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Aggie4Christ09 said:

Such a small, pathetic man.


Calling names is not Christ like.
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American Hardwood said:

I appreciate your response. I should have used a different emoji to indicate the rhetorical nature of my question. I think both responses I got are correct. They oppose Trump on everything AND NATO has become another yet another socialist system wherein the wealthy are siphoned for resources to support the entitled who contribute little and by-and-large, have become disdainful towards their sugar daddy.

Your premise, the left hated NATO until Trump, is false. I'd love to to know actual data or previous political statements from actual Democrat leadership (not backbenchers) that supports this. This feels more like vibes and painting 'the left' as a purple haired butch lesbian with a septum piercing.

As for the actual content of NATO, were really going blow up the alliance, the dollars reserve status currency, and nearly a century of trust based alliances because Trump didn't get a Nobel Prize?
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GAC06 said:

FobTies said:




Such a stable genius

He's got you right where he wants you. Along with all the leftist media
 
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