Is Greenland next?

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In related news, some Danish pension fund is selling all of their US Treasuries by month end due to US finances no longer being sustainable (not wrong but that's not the real reason because there is no where better to put that money) and Trump's push for Greenland (the real reason).

Also, the EU Parliament is pushing to suspend the trade deal between the EU and the US because of Greenland. I'm not totally sure which trade deal this one is. I've lost track of the trade deals in this current era.
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YouBet said:

In related news, some Danish pension fund is selling all of their US Treasuries by month end due to US finances no longer being sustainable (not wrong but that's not the real reason because there is no where better to put that money) and Trump's push for Greenland (the real reason).

Also, the EU Parliament is pushing to suspend the trade deal between the EU and the US because of Greenland. I'm not totally sure which trade deal this one is. I've lost track of the trade deals in this current era.


Follow the money.

Euros are TERRIFIED that if we have Greenland and install the offensive and defensive missiles we want to there then suddenly Russia is much less of a threat to the US and then we'll stop funding Euro socialism and they'll have to defend themselves instead
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Yes, and that is causing major spikes in bond yields, which is the exact opposite of what Trump and everyone else wants right now. S&P also down 1.5% today.
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Bingo.

They show all the signs of running scared about this and not being pissed off as many would like to believe.
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Uncertainty especially with Trump ready to go bull in china shop in Davos are also in play.
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Maroon Dawn said:

YouBet said:

In related news, some Danish pension fund is selling all of their US Treasuries by month end due to US finances no longer being sustainable (not wrong but that's not the real reason because there is no where better to put that money) and Trump's push for Greenland (the real reason).

Also, the EU Parliament is pushing to suspend the trade deal between the EU and the US because of Greenland. I'm not totally sure which trade deal this one is. I've lost track of the trade deals in this current era.


Follow the money.

Euros are TERRIFIED that if we have Greenland and install the offensive and defensive missiles we want to there then suddenly Russia is much less of a threat to the US and then we'll stop funding Euro socialism and they'll have to defend themselves instead



We'd have to win the presidency in perpetuity to make it so. Obama defunded and weakened missile defense for Europe and the next Dem prez will cancel anything done as far as Greenland.
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Malibu said:

flown-the-coop said:

Mark Warner (D(ouche)-VA) is playing the role of libtard on with Bret Baier regurgitating the reddit talking points about end of NATO, Thule amendment says we can do what we want anyways, and this is driving our allies into the arms of China and Russia.

For those speaking the same takes, you are perfectly aligned with Mark Warner. That is embarrassing.

Watching how Canada and the EU are actually in the real world responding to this is now reddit talking points, instead, well, reality.

We're in real time watching the collapse of American soft power, watching our allies hedge to China, and blowing up a system of trust built over the last 85 years that has made us the most prosperous nation on Earth, because dear leader didn't get a medal.


As I said earlier in this thread- Europe has been going Chinese well before Trump

Heres an example from 2021 where the top gear guys make a gag about it. To act like this is something new is a little naive.




I think Europe(the govts) might have more in common with the Chinese in some key areas than americans at this point anyway
-heavy censorship of anything not approved
-a socialistic economy
- elections that they will flatly change if its not the desired outcome
- total removal of political parties that do not align with whatever the eu demands

And, beyond those, Europe further splits from the usa on things like

- ukraine
-immigration
-free speech
-internet use
-law enforcement
-energy/green policy


China is a paper tiger. Yes, they are having a moment of buildup both militarily and politically. But, Europe will find out the hard way they aren't an equivalent of the usa. They dont seek to make both parties great. They seek to take power themselves, by stealing ip, by spying, by buying up crucial land, by creating deals which leverage sovereignty.

Further, china had a baby problem. There are reports that state that China's population will halve over the next 100 years, or less.

Europe has been relgated to a "monitoring the situation" status. They dont have the military power to force anything. They dont have the economic power to force anything. They are actively ceding their cultures at the alter of mass immigration.

Europe has taken a tact away from western style liberal democracy. Their stance on this greenland issue is confusing to me as they constantly say its a decision for Greenland and Denmark to make, but simultaneously say its a problem for greater Europe.

They started gnashing their teeth when Trump first said he wanted to acquire greenland, not only when he said he was going to implement tarrifs.

I dont agree with any sort of invasion, military strike or tarrif over this issue. I do think its a fine cause to attempt to purchase all or alot of greenland from the danes.
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If the Euros start selling off T-bills…and the dollar loses reserve status…things will go very badly in the US, very quickly.
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this is simply ******ed to be losing a lot of money for American investors

just to insult the Danes and the Euros when WE CONTROL GREENLAND anyway.

either US forces are on the territory and now NATO forces are on the territory.

I just cant' understand how Trump lacks all strategic long term planning skills.
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And then ukriane becomes fully Russian
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Agree and correct on all.
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Said it above but I would be curious where they are going to put that money they are taking out of Treasuries. Again, they are not wrong that our financial position is bad, but the reality is that everyone else's is worse. Despite all the huffing and puffing over BRICs and the petroyuan, there is still not a better place to put that money.

Turning over and blockading VZ just made the petrodollar even stronger.
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HoustonAggie11 said:

They would actively root for Bin Laden if he was alive today.
this is a ridiculous comparison even for you. bin laden killed thousands of americans. he was our enemy. the danes fought alongside us and even died in the war that bin laden's actions started.
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Maroon Dawn said:

YouBet said:

In related news, some Danish pension fund is selling all of their US Treasuries by month end due to US finances no longer being sustainable (not wrong but that's not the real reason because there is no where better to put that money) and Trump's push for Greenland (the real reason).

Also, the EU Parliament is pushing to suspend the trade deal between the EU and the US because of Greenland. I'm not totally sure which trade deal this one is. I've lost track of the trade deals in this current era.


Follow the money.

Euros are TERRIFIED that if we have Greenland and install the offensive and defensive missiles we want to there then suddenly Russia is much less of a threat to the US and then we'll stop funding Euro socialism and they'll have to defend themselves instead

I think this is spot on. They are terrified they might have to actually fund their own defense instead of taking advantage of our generosity like they have for the past 80 years.

They need us a lot worse than we need them both economically and militarily. Why would we keep funding them when they have chosen the path towards becoming hard core Islamic, socialist states?

Trump holds all the cards and they know it, so all they have is to pound the lectern and pray that the globalist Marxists in America can stop him.
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Article 1, Section 8 would disagree with you. Best case scenario is he can levy them and Congress can override anytime they want. Whether a Republican run Congress has the will to do so is another question but I suspect there will be enough R's against tariffs on NATO allies because they won't sell you their territory.
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Who?mikejones! said:

And then ukriane becomes fully Russian


Probably. But it's kinda a feature of the system…when you try to bully other countries, they tend to respond negatively and in defense of their core interests.

This shouldn't be a shock to anyone who's been watching this admin's behavior.
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I have a refi in progress that won't rate lock until this week. Not hyperbole, mathematical reality based on Treasury movement, Trumps bluster here has just cost me and my investors hundreds of thousands of dollars. My borrowing costs are going up due to weakened trust and less liquidity for US debt and currency. It can and will get a lot worse if we keep this up.
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Malibu said:

I have a refi in progress that won't rate lock until this week. Not hyperbole, mathematical reality based on Treasury movement, Trumps bluster here has just cost me and my investors hundreds of thousands of dollars. My borrowing costs are going up due to weakened trust and less liquidity for US debt and currency. It can and will get a lot worse if we keep this up.

I think they have a complaint box by the White House front gate.
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I have a refi in progress that won't rate lock until this week. Not hyperbole, mathematical reality based on Treasury movement, Trumps bluster here has just cost me and my investors hundreds of thousands of dollars. My borrowing costs are going up due to weakened trust and less liquidity for US debt and currency. It can and will get a lot worse if we keep this up.

There are so many leashes on the White House and they will be yanked hard at some point.

The deficit financing is such an obvious and debilitating weakness that can be exploited with a single headline from a Denmark pension fund.

The GOP Senators are beyond exasperated with Trump as well.

Trump doesn't seem to have an endgame with anything. It is all so erratic.
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rednecked said:

Malibu said:

I have a refi in progress that won't rate lock until this week. Not hyperbole, mathematical reality based on Treasury movement, Trumps bluster here has just cost me and my investors hundreds of thousands of dollars. My borrowing costs are going up due to weakened trust and less liquidity for US debt and currency. It can and will get a lot worse if we keep this up.

I think they have a complaint box by the White House front gate.

Ill make sure to send a strongly worded letter. My point is that the US economy is worse off already due to this stupidity. It turns out saber rattling against our trading partners leads to less demand for our stuff.
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"... collective governance gives way to "relentless" competition ..."

Spoken like a true Socialist. So wrong in so may ways. America became what it is precisely because we didn't follow the European model
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Ag87H2O said:

"... collective governance gives way to "relentless" competition ..."

Spoken like a true Socialist. So wrong in so may ways. America became what it is precisely because we didn't follow the European model

It also became the way it is because we wrote the rules of law and people trusted us and did business with us because we followed those rules. Now were opting out of those rules and wishcasting the chart still goes up and to the right.
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Malibu said:

Ag87H2O said:

"... collective governance gives way to "relentless" competition ..."

Spoken like a true Socialist. So wrong in so may ways. America became what it is precisely because we didn't follow the European model

It also became the way it is because we wrote the rules of law and people trusted us and did business with us because we followed those rules. Now were opting out of those rules and wishcasting the chart still goes up and to the right.


Your fellow socialists are terrified that they might have to put more money into defense than socialism and are throwing a temperate to keep US subsidizing them
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Can you imagine if Trump went after insurrectionists and the Swamp like he does with anything foreign?
No, I don't care what CNN or Miss NOW said this time
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Malibu said:

I have a refi in progress that won't rate lock until this week. Not hyperbole, mathematical reality based on Treasury movement, Trumps bluster here has just cost me and my investors hundreds of thousands of dollars. My borrowing costs are going up due to weakened trust and less liquidity for US debt and currency. It can and will get a lot worse if we keep this up.



Hopefully its mainly libs getting jobbed by the higher mortgage rates.

I also find it funny when libs - who are all about equity and concerned about wealth gaps - complain about cash flowing out of their pockets to others. Lots of 401ks for old poor people have MBS in them. Your mortgage - at a higher rate - will be packaged into an MBS and then some retiree will benefit. You are doing good here.
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TexAgs91 said:

Can you imagine if Trump went after insurrectionists and the Swamp like he does with anything foreign?

he tries the lefty Judges block him at every turn.
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Maroon Dawn said:

Malibu said:

Ag87H2O said:

"... collective governance gives way to "relentless" competition ..."

Spoken like a true Socialist. So wrong in so may ways. America became what it is precisely because we didn't follow the European model

It also became the way it is because we wrote the rules of law and people trusted us and did business with us because we followed those rules. Now were opting out of those rules and wishcasting the chart still goes up and to the right.


Your fellow socialists are terrified that they might have to put more money into defense than socialism and are throwing a temperate to keep US subsidizing them

No, I'm terrified that blowing the international order that we built to take a glacial landmass we already have military and economic access to will lead a worthless dollar and substantially higher borrowing costs. You know, things that make capitalism a lot harder. But hey, keep beating the drum that this is just Marxists malcontents that would celebrate terrorists killing Americans, and ignore the economic data and real world playing out right now. Everyone can see what a serious political analyst you are, as good as you are at football analysis.
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Logos Stick said:

Malibu said:

I have a refi in progress that won't rate lock until this week. Not hyperbole, mathematical reality based on Treasury movement, Trumps bluster here has just cost me and my investors hundreds of thousands of dollars. My borrowing costs are going up due to weakened trust and less liquidity for US debt and currency. It can and will get a lot worse if we keep this up.



Hopefully its mainly libs getting jobbed by the higher mortgage rates.

I also find it funny when libs - who are all about equity and concerned about wealth gaps - complain about cash flowing out of their pockets to others. Lots of 401ks for old poor people have MBS in them. Your mortgage - at a higher rate - will be packaged into an MBS and then some retiree will benefit. You are doing good here.

Ah yes, the broken windows theory of portfolio management.
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Malibu said:

Ag87H2O said:

"... collective governance gives way to "relentless" competition ..."

Spoken like a true Socialist. So wrong in so may ways. America became what it is precisely because we didn't follow the European model

It also became the way it is because we wrote the rules of law and people trusted us and did business with us because we followed those rules. Now were opting out of those rules and wishcasting the chart still goes up and to the right.

Sorry for them I guess. He who has the gold makes the rules.

Europe has benefitted from our kindness and generosity for 80 years now. It has allowed them to exist in their socialists ideological playground without having to bare the consequences of that ideology. That's what scares them to death because even though they are hard core idealogues, they know what the eventual outcome will be without good old capitalist American support.
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You understand the US will have far less gold to make the rules due to this action, right? Europe should and now is spending more on defense. It does not follow that if they don't, we get to have "collateral" for loan terms never agreed to and a prior arrangement that made us wealthy in the first place.
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I just heard UK gave away diego Garcia. This is reason we need Greenland. Europe is so weak.
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TexAgs91 said:

Can you imagine if Trump went after insurrectionists and the Swamp like he does with anything foreign?

The groundwork has been laid to invoke the Insurrection Act, he's just waiting for the right time to invoke it. Everyone was put on notice in April 2025 and given 8 months to comply. Time is up so its a matter of when, not if.
People think I'm an idiot or something, because all I do is cut lawns for a living.
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Malibu said:

I have a refi in progress that won't rate lock until this week. Not hyperbole, mathematical reality based on Treasury movement, Trumps bluster here has just cost me and my investors hundreds of thousands of dollars. My borrowing costs are going up due to weakened trust and less liquidity for US debt and currency. It can and will get a lot worse if we keep this up.

Yes, but what about this hypothetical!!!
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Malibu said:

Ag87H2O said:

"... collective governance gives way to "relentless" competition ..."

Spoken like a true Socialist. So wrong in so may ways. America became what it is precisely because we didn't follow the European model

It also became the way it is because we wrote the rules of law and people trusted us and did business with us because we followed those rules. Now were opting out of those rules and wishcasting the chart still goes up and to the right.


Im going to disagree with you here. We generally do follow whatever "laws" exist, even if they are detrimental to our own progress.

But, take a couple of examples of European decisions regarding laws:

1. Free speech- Europe has taken a hard stance against free speech. They seek to regulate our tech companies through their laws. The fine our tech companies billions of dollars to fund their technocracy. This is a direct threat to both our tech companies and our free speech laws.

2. Energy- again, euro decisions on greenhouse energy policy is another direct threat to us (and them, which means us).

There are more examples out there...but, European choosing a more authoritarian and left wing tact denigrates our shared goals.

While I agree trump/his administration are doing things in a rather rough and tumble way, this fracture is not caused by America alone.

Further, the civil state in Europe is the real power broker. It doesnt much matter what political party is in charge- the bureaucrats regin supreme guaranteeing the global leftist policy continues.
 
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