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**The Falcon and the Winter Soldier Discussion Thread**

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Hell ya!!! Another dope episode!!! Zemo is actually pretty awesome.

WINTER SOLIDER.....

....ATTACK!


Side note, rouge Sharron Carter is wayyyyyy hotter as a bad girl!!!

Wakanda Forever!!!
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Great episode. Love Zemo.
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Wow!! I thought I was hardcore getting up early before headed out to the Valero.
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Love this show
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Sharon is Peggy's niece right? But what if in the Winter Soldier they had made her Peggy's granddaughter. And then with Steve going back after Endgame you would have Sharon protecting her Grandfather. That would have been a mess with your mind time travel paradox.
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Not sure how much I liked Episode 3.

It felt less like I was watching a segment of a good Marvel movie and more like I was watching an episode of Agents of Shield.

I don't see Sam going along with Zemo at all. I don't see either of them going along with Zemo after Zemo shot the scientist. I didn't buy that Sam could luckily be the spitting image of Smiling Pirate Guy. I didn't think the fight at the bar made any sense. No one explained how all the bounty hunters tracked them to a shipyard. If the scientist was so important to the Power Broker, why was he there all alone and unguarded? Why did someone bring a bazooka to the shipyard?

Just tons of holes for me.

My least favorite episode so far. But I'm still in.
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I'm finally into this show. Zemo doing his thing >>> Falcon applying for a bank loan.
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This show is definitely slipping into the "things happen because the plot needs them to happen, not because character motivations make sense."

But it's still really damn fun. I like when Marvel does these more grounded action sequences like Winter Soldier in the bar or Sharon Carter in the ship container yard. Zemo is more fun than I expected, and I can't wait to see what comes of that end-of-episode reveal.
Thanks and gig'em
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Okay was not expecting the Wakandan or Zeno actually not double crossing them this episode.

Nod to Isaiah being experimented on.

Great action sequences and hot damn Sharon.
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Dude who plays Zemo is clearly having so much fun with this
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bluefire579 said:

Dude who plays Zemo is clearly having so much fun with this


He is getting to be Hannibal letter but not stuck in a cage
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This show is so fun. I am really enjoying it.
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The Bionic Staring Machine
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Yeah, I... really didn't like certain aspects of this episode.

- I like that Zemo is becoming more like comics Zemo but it seemed like a sudden 90-degree turn. He went from "ex-military whose family was crushed to death outside the city" to "rich-ass baron who had been hunting Hyda agents and dealing with the criminal underworld" in less than 30 minutes.

- Lots of rushed dialogue. I hate when shows do the "LOL why would I help you?" "because __" "...ok fine let's move." It doesn't let the scene breathe at all. Sharon shows up, scolds the protagonists, then decides to risk everything and help them immediately.

- Sharon Carter is a badass in the comics so I'm glad she got be one here. I'd heard once that COVID reshoots may have affected how much she's in this show, so hopefully she gets to come back and play an important role. Still not really sure what that art collection bit was about - I was getting whiplash from all the sudden turns. I guess she wasn't snapped so she integrated herself into the criminal underworld to survive for 5-7 years?

- Less quippy episode which was good. Episode 2 was a bit non-stop with it.

- Not in this one much but I'm still engaged with the John Walker arc. I'm glad. Wyatt is a better actor than I'd given him credit for.

- Almost laughed out loud at that scientist saying "I was a god." I mean I'm a pretty huge nerd but STFU loser

- Lastly, an example of why I hate hearing the showrunners say certain things. They'd said in an interview that Marvel gave them free reign with the action, and there was something they got approval for in episode 3 that made them go "whoa, really?" All episode I was expecting some big action sequence but I guess it was just Sharon vs. goons.
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Pretty much where I'm at. I liked certain parts, but overall somewhat of a blah episode for me. Really missed the John Walker interaction dynamic and the Isaiah Bradley of it all. That stuff was electric in episode two and then they just completely abandoned it here. It'll all obviously come back into play, of course, but the whiplash nature from episode to episode so far, over the first half of the season, is starting to take its toll.
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Okay, when they mentioned Madripoor I thought "cool, that's from the comics."

Then, the very next scene my heart skipped a beat because I thought the caption said that the setting was in Latveria. I got genuinely excited for a split second until I realized it said "Latvia."

Oh, well.
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All of the Wolverine being in the MCU articles are starting to appear because of Madripoor
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rhutton125 said:


Lastly, an example of why I hate hearing the showrunners say certain things. They'd said in an interview that Marvel gave them free reign with the action, and there was something they got approval for in episode 3 that made them go "whoa, really?" All episode I was expecting some big action sequence but I guess it was just Sharon vs. goons.


There was a lot more violence in my opinion during the action sequences than I've seen in other Marvel movies. Maybe that's what they meant? I saw a lot more direct shooting of bad guys, blood, etc. I was honestly surprised by the brutality considering it was on Disney+. It still wasn't quite R rated level violence, but seemed more than usual.
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YNWA_AG said:

All of the Wolverine being in the MCU articles are starting to appear because of Madripoor
Madripoor sort of threw me. It looked like Hong Kong or something, and Sam was all "What's Madripoor?"

Whos Juan
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Did the GRC commercial at the beginning of this episode remind anyone of the Veridian Dynamic ads from Better Off Ted?
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Am I the only one who thinks it's ridiculous that Walker is the only person to go "So Winter Soldier came here, and 5 mins later Zemo escapes during a riot?" That should have been the very first conclusion everyone came to.

Who is the always-well-placed sniper covering for them? Are we supposed to assume it was Sharon?
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This is definitely a good theory

https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/mivqwv/so_the_power_broker_is_fws_ep_3_spoilers/
TCTTS
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That's a great theory. I'm all in.
Red Five
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I said the same thing to my wife while we were watching the episode. Plenty of smoke there.
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Whos Juan said:

Did the GRC commercial at the beginning of this episode remind anyone of the Veridian Dynamic ads from Better Off Ted?


JABBERWOCKY
Farmer1906
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I was thinking she was working for him. They turned the flag smashers into a female. They could do the same to Power Broker. Another theory on screen crush was Armin Zola as a computer again.
YNWA_AG
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Another theory I saw was the power broker was just the CIA wanting to make another super soldier-injecting John walker
Saxsoon
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If you take the initials of Power Broker -> PB, you get peanut butter. Peanut butter and jelly. . . Jealousy. . . Envy. . . One of the 7 deadly sins which we got from the Devil aka Mephisto.
redline248
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Did the power broker exist before the snap? How else would Zemo know the reputation since he's been in jail the whole time? I do agree the theory makes good points.
jeffk
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I don't get why Carter would reveal the location of her scientist to F&WS if she was the Power Broker though. That part doesn't make sense to me.
redline248
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jeffk said:

I don't get why Carter would reveal the location of her scientist to F&WS if she was the Power Broker though. That part doesn't make sense to me.
especially knowing zemo's motivation in Civil War was in part to get rid of super soldiers.
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Quote:

Who is the always-well-placed sniper covering for them? Are we supposed to assume it was Sharon?
I thought about that but it seems like she appeared too soon after to have been the shooter AND meet them in the alley. But who was the woman she was talking to as she got into the car to leave the docks?
Capitol Ag
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My theory on Sharon is she's working for Fury but covering up that. Seems weird that a sniper would take out 2 or 3 bad guys and leave Sam and Bucky ok and immediately Sharon runs up. Plus it seems a bit of a stretch that she would become this jaded after all she has gone through. I think it's an act.
Saxsoon
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New rockstars had an interesting theory, what if this lays the ground work for the power broker to also be the real mandarin?
GiveEmHellBill
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YNWA_AG said:

Another theory I saw was the power broker was just the CIA wanting to make another super soldier-injecting John walker
What if that's true and the Power Broker was Martin Freeman's Everett Ross character?

That would be interesting as he's had experience with Zemo and legitimately does not like him. And with him being so close to the higher ups in Wakanda that would complicate things as well.
 
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