bobinator said:

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I mean the girl he went on the date with obviously didn't.

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oh, I thought you meant the audience.

still not a pause worthy discussion but interesting nonetheless.

I would say no, most would not recognize him. They would probably all gravitate towards Stark, Capn America and Black Widow (before she went tits up). Bucky and Hawkeye could probably go to HEB and not get harassed.

Psht...thats not him. The guy who did all that had long hair!

I forgot about him being on the news for the UN attack.

But yeah that's what we were trying to figure out is whether the people should know who he is or not. We figured most people might know what happened in Wakanda, but not his involvement in it really.

That's where we landed, is people know "The Winter Soldier" but they probably don't know what he looks like (though we had forgetten the news broadcast thing.) But we weren't sure how much was known about Bucky Barnes. Like is it public information that Bucky IS/WAS the Winter Soldier, that type of thing.

Like the pardon could also be a government secret.

I'm guessing his true identity still isn't public. And maybe that could even be part of Zemo's thing this series - exposing his true ID to the world?

Isn't Zemo in prison right now? Or did he get blipped out of it or something?

He's also still featured in the Cap exhibit that Sam and Rhoadie were walking around in. The public definitely doesn't know he was the Winter Soldier.

Fightin TX Aggie said:

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Isn't Zemo in prison right now? Or did he get blipped out of it or something?

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We don't know what happened to him since the end of Civil War (I don't think)

The last time we saw him he was in prison. But yeah, we have no idea if blipped out since or what.

I was struck by how much he really does look like young Mark Hamill on this show. It was actually kind of eerie in some scenes.

I kinda think a lot of people would recognize Ed Snowden? Though I guess if I saw him in person I wouldn't think "that's Snowden" I'd think "that guy looks a lot like Snowden."

Just before anyone says like "who cares," this didn't affect my viewing of the episode (which I loved) at all, it's just something I found myself thinking about and was wondering what everyone here thought also.

So I guess my thinking is that it's been a while since Snowden was in the news, and people under a certain age probably won't even know the name. I, personally, would recognize a picture of him, but like you might not be able to 100% ID him in the street.

How long has it been since Civil War, at this point of the show? 5 years plus however long b/w Civil War and End Game?

That's one thing we joked about, there's been A LOT of news in this universe so some things are going to get buried.

amercer said:

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I mean you're just back from the blip and you're learning that your dog died, your wife moved on, one kid is a stripper and the other is part of some violent flash mob in weird masks, and the ****ing Mets finally won another world ****ing series but YOU WERE DUSTED SO WHO GIVES A ****


So I mean it's possible that people have lost track of certain current events

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Look at any video with somebody asking simple questions to someone on the street.

Oh wow, good catch.

Wow, I stand very corrected!

Disney+ Marvel series idea...

A somewhat lighter, present day L.A. Confidential-esque series set in the world of the MCU, where our cast is made up primarily of Average Joe cops or FBI Agents - think Agent Jimmy Woo - who have to interact with certain Avengers/superheroes from time to time, but also, a la L.A. Confidential, a character who works at a modern day gossip rag like US Weekly, and then a character who works as a journalist for some popular political site. Kind of a lighter season five of The Wire vibe as well, where we're "on the ground," so to speak, with the all these various street perspectives to superhero dealings. But we really get a sense of how the rest of the world sees these heroes, what they know/think about them, etc.

How funny would it be to see, say, Thor featured in a "Superheroes! They're just like us!" spread via paparazzi pics in the US Weekly equivalent of the MCU. Or we see some E! News-like segment: "Cold shoulder for The Winter Soldier! Bucky Barnes and [so-and-so] call it quits!"

But you start with some kind of journalist who's following some kind of conspiracy theory thread that leads to him/her unraveling some big villain's secret plan, where this journalist is interacting with cops, agents, political figures, gossip rags, superheroes, etc. It could all culminate in something more traditionally Marvel, but the point would be that it's mainly from the POV of the everyman, since, for the most part, that perspective has been missing from the MCU so far.

Ha, nice. Perfect. Both could be great titles.

Civil War news scene shows Bucky as the suspect in the UN bombing. Then the opening scene of Black Panther has the news showing Zemo as being caught / behind the UN attack.

Bucky is also on the little student-made "thank you" presentation in FFH.

So I think he's publicly known as Bucky Barnes and the Winter Soldier, and both a former hydra assassin and now hero sort of?

But a lot of that was a long time ago, and maybe the hero part isn't as well known. There's probably a lot of misinformation out there about him. Kind of like Snowden! So if I met Snowden, I'd be wracking my memory, like "is this guy bad? Am I impressed or intimidated?" - except moreso because you know Bucky is/was very deadly. But I wouldn't recognize Snowden on the street at all, and maybe Bucky gets that same treatment if he tries to blend in.

Beat40 said:

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dave94 said:

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He's also still featured in the Cap exhibit that Sam and Rhoadie were walking around in. The public definitely doesn't know he was the Winter Soldier.

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I tried to take a screenshot, but couldn't.

In the Cap exhibit, Bucky Barnes is the left most glass pane listed as "Friend & Brother." The picture of Bucky Barnes is a young Bucky with short hair.

The very next glass pane is titled Winter Soldier with the sub-header that says "Friend to Foe." It certainly seems that the Cap exhibit is connecting the dots that Bucky and the Winter Soldier are one in the same. I would think the media and news would have been all over that fact.

Now - maybe the girl he goes on the date with and the old man haven't been to the exhibit or watched any of the news regarding his pardon so they haven't placed him.

I definitely agree that it's weird he's not recognized more as the winter soldier, or heck, even Bucky Barnes, friend of Cap, judging by the way he talks to both the old man and the girl.

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Go to the 7 min mark of this video and he reads a bunch of the exhibit plaques and information.



It shows what is common or accessible knowledge about the Avengers and events that they were involved in. One interesting fact is the the exhibit tells the reader the Avengers brought everyone back from the snap but does not mention the use of time travel to do it. So one can infer that the knowledge of the newly discovered ability to time travel may only be known by the Avengers themselves or be top secret within the government with only a few knowing about it like Fury.

I think this was mentioned before, but it was somewhat unclear.

https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-shows/falcon-winter-soldier-most-watched-series-premiere-ever-disney-plus

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Disney+ Original series The Falcon and The Winter Soldier from Marvel Studios ranked as the most watched series premiere ever on Disney+ during its opening weekend, Friday, March 19 Sunday, March 22, and the most watched title overall for the same time period on a global basis, including in Disney+ Hotstar markets.

The premiere of The Falcon and The Winter Soldier joins the premieres of Marvel Studios' first live-action series, WandaVision, and the season two premiere of The Mandalorian from Lucasfilm as the three most-watched Disney+ Original series opening weekends to-date.

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So it beat both seasons of Mando & Wandavision. Not too shabby.

They a public company? Marvel me wants to invest in some of that action.

To the moon!