Monica Rambeau will be in Captain Marvel 2. Dunno about Vision, but Bettany has more appearance left on his contract, IIRC.
**The Falcon and the Winter Soldier Discussion Thread**
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Steve got a super ego after the serum?Quote:
Bucky didn't have the same super ego effect like Steve and Red Skull.
I'm loving it. This Great Value Cap finally cracks and I can't wait to see where they take the characters these next two episodes.
Love what Zemo brings to the table. The interplay and comparisons between Walker and either Sam or Bucky is great. Lots of little lines about how being "super" makes everything easier helped lead up to Walker choosing to take the serum. And I agree with what others have said that this is all about showing that no one is worthy of the shield. Steve Rodgers really was a one in a million... except for maybe Sam?
I get the complaints about wanting/needing more fleshing out of the Flag Smashers and Karli et al., but they've tried. There's been at least a scene in every episode about her and her motivation and backstory and unnamed sidekick red shirts
. There's just a lot of more important (to the fans) folks in this show vying for screen time. It's crowded for sure, but still really enjoyable.
Sharon isn't the Power Broker.
Love what Zemo brings to the table. The interplay and comparisons between Walker and either Sam or Bucky is great. Lots of little lines about how being "super" makes everything easier helped lead up to Walker choosing to take the serum. And I agree with what others have said that this is all about showing that no one is worthy of the shield. Steve Rodgers really was a one in a million... except for maybe Sam?
I get the complaints about wanting/needing more fleshing out of the Flag Smashers and Karli et al., but they've tried. There's been at least a scene in every episode about her and her motivation and backstory and unnamed sidekick red shirts
. There's just a lot of more important (to the fans) folks in this show vying for screen time. It's crowded for sure, but still really enjoyable. Sharon isn't the Power Broker.
Champ Bailey said:
Did anyone see the blood coming out of Walker's ear? Is that supposed to be from a blow to the head, or his the Super Serum causing side effects?
I thought it was from him getting hit.
redline248 said:Steve got a super ego after the serum?Quote:
Bucky didn't have the same super ego effect like Steve and Red Skull.
Probably should put ego in quotes. The serum enhanced his good side. Maxed it out. Red Skull maxed his bad side.
It's also interesting that Walker is completely vulnerable and normal when not in costume. He puts that costume on and he suddenly has roid rage all the time.
It's very split personality and shows how putting the costume on (for him) completely changes who he is. Now add in the serum and he's officially off the rails.
It's very split personality and shows how putting the costume on (for him) completely changes who he is. Now add in the serum and he's officially off the rails.
Yep, this was actually shared by Erskine in CAFV as a side effect of taking the serum.Mathguy64 said:redline248 said:Steve got a super ego after the serum?Quote:
Bucky didn't have the same super ego effect like Steve and Red Skull.
Probably should put ego in quotes. The serum enhanced his good side. Maxed it out. Red Skull maxed his bad side.
I was always under the impression that Steve was exactly the same before and afterMathguy64 said:redline248 said:Steve got a super ego after the serum?Quote:
Bucky didn't have the same super ego effect like Steve and Red Skull.
Probably should put ego in quotes. The serum enhanced his good side. Maxed it out. Red Skull maxed his bad side.
edit: I must have forgotten the part in the post above mine
YouBet said:Yep, this was actually shared by Erskine in CAFV as a side effect of taking the serum.Mathguy64 said:redline248 said:Steve got a super ego after the serum?Quote:
Bucky didn't have the same super ego effect like Steve and Red Skull.
Probably should put ego in quotes. The serum enhanced his good side. Maxed it out. Red Skull maxed his bad side.
Erskine said serum but his serum included the gamma radiation. The new serum doesn't. I'm assuming the new serum doesn't enhance any personality traits.
TexasAggie_02 said:Mathguy64 said:
I just binged E3 and E4. If the aim of all this isn't to get Sam to come to grips with wearing the shield I will be shocked. All of this is about Sam and his growth.
Really, I think marvel is hesitant to really push the boundaries with these shows until they can gauge how well watched they are. This show will end up with Sam taking up the shield. If you never watched this show at all, Sam would be in the same place you saw him at the end of Endgame.
Same with Wandavision. I doubt we see Rambeau or white vision any time soon in the movies. Wouldn't surprise me if in Dr Strange 2, he goes looking for the dark hold. All they have to do is mention that its a book of dark magic so powerful that no one should ever read it. Then we come across wanda who has it. People who haven't watched the show will already know that she is fragile from losing vision and her entire family, so you don't need the show to know where she's at mentally.
I actually think that's one of the delicate lines the Feige balances on quite nicely. He intends for each movie (and now mini series) to be its own plot that can be viewed and enjoyed for a first time viewer of the MCU catalog... while also providing backstory and character development for veteran viewers of MCU catalog
If they assumed every story picked up where the previous left off and that every viewer had consumed and studied every preceding story as required pre-requisite then they would be knowingly eliminating new audiences or fair-weather fan audiences.
These upcoming movies will need to stand as complete stories assuming the viewer doesn't have D+. ...but will be enhanced for viewers that do have D+.
Yeah he is a master at his craft. For the most part, Each movie/series stands alone but fits perfectly into the overarching MCU.
Nothing comes close.
Nothing comes close.
jeffk said:
I'm loving it. This Great Value Cap finally cracks and I can't wait to see where they take the characters these next two episodes.
Love what Zemo brings to the table. The interplay and comparisons between Walker and either Sam or Bucky is great. Lots of little lines about how being "super" makes everything easier helped lead up to Walker choosing to take the serum. And I agree with what others have said that this is all about showing that no one is worthy of the shield. Steve Rodgers really was a one in a million... except for maybe Sam?
I get the complaints about wanting/needing more fleshing out of the Flag Smashers and Karli et al., but they've tried. There's been at least a scene in every episode about her and her motivation and backstory and unnamed sidekick red shirts
Sharon isn't the Power Broker.
So, I'm loving the show as well for a lot if the reasons you've already stated. Zemo has been awesome and the development of Bucky has been great. I hope the last two episodes focus more on Sam, because he really hasn't been developed much.
As for the bold, the complaint isn't that they haven't fleshed out the Flag Smashers, because, as you've said, they have mentioned their motivations in almost every episode. The complaint is that seemingly the major, and only, plot line of the show is to stop the flag smashers from creating more super soldiers. The power broker is mentioned as payrolling the scientist who recreated the super solider serum and Sam, Bucky, and Zemo show zero interest in looking into that person?
There is so much to like about this show - I love it. I just wish it was elevated that much more with one more threat because, in my opinion, even though the Flag Smashers are all super soldiers, with the training Sam and Bucky have and their experience, they should be able to handle the rebel group relatively easily.
Thought this episode was awesome and really brought it back to center. Last episode I thought drifted a bit.
I kind of expect the Power Broker to get a reveal as a villain worthy of everyone's attention sometime in the final two episodes. Maybe even somehow working with Hill Country Fare Cap to track down (and kill?) the rest of the Flag Smashers.
But, yeah, it's weird how the Broker kind of got tossed aside so quickly by Sam and Buck, but I guess it's only been like a couple days real-time and the Flag Smashers did just bomb a building, so they do deserve some extra attention.
But, yeah, it's weird how the Broker kind of got tossed aside so quickly by Sam and Buck, but I guess it's only been like a couple days real-time and the Flag Smashers did just bomb a building, so they do deserve some extra attention.
Maybe the perceived lack of development with Sam is because they are using the chaos and personal trauma around him to represent that change. He's pretty stalwart in who he is as a person like Steve was. He's the eye in the storm.
So, maybe his development is simply an epiphany in the final episode that he is Captain America because the sh^tshow happening all around him needs him to be the steadying force. IOW, there is no real development here for him other than to just accept what is already there.
So, maybe his development is simply an epiphany in the final episode that he is Captain America because the sh^tshow happening all around him needs him to be the steadying force. IOW, there is no real development here for him other than to just accept what is already there.
With the now very public and disturbing image of a bloodied shield... I have to wonder if Sam would want to be associated with that shied. I wonder if he gets the shield and decides to destroy it instead. We know we still have that Sam throwing the shield scene. I'd be curious what the context is for that.
I kinda think Power Broker will be revealed but left out there for a future series.
Maybe Thunderbolts? What if they have Walker, new Black Widow, Taskmaster, Zemo, and maybe one or two others? Maybe a clandestine squad doing unofficial missions for the government or UN, such as taking out the biggest criminal syndicate in Madripoor?
Just a thought.
Maybe Thunderbolts? What if they have Walker, new Black Widow, Taskmaster, Zemo, and maybe one or two others? Maybe a clandestine squad doing unofficial missions for the government or UN, such as taking out the biggest criminal syndicate in Madripoor?
Just a thought.
"I do what he does, just slower"
Sam about Steve in winter soldier
Sam about Steve in winter soldier
Minor complaint about all movies involving super-speedy characters: why do they insist on making them play-act like they're running fast? Just film them running normally! It always ends up looking like a toddler pretending to run in slow motion.
I had civil war on in the background and had this same thought when they were having the foot/car/motorcycle chase with cap, ws, bp
Actually, they did film them running normally using a technique called the "magic carpet". Basically a rug is pulled behind a moving car (off camera) and the stunt double is running along the rug - this is what made it appear like the character is outrunning cars.Duncan Idaho said:
I had civil war on in the background and had this same thought when they were having the foot/car/motorcycle chase with cap, ws, bp
There is a series on youtube interviewing stunt doubles that I've seen posted on here. One episode included the double for the Black Panther and they talked about the magic carpet and filming that scene. Way more practical effects than I originally appreciated.
Yeah, that scene looked a lot better than what we saw Karli do in this last F&WS episode or any of Flash's scenes in Justice League.
It's interesting because in that sense, it's literally all practical - the guy running and his speed and the cars, it's all the actual action (maybe sped up a little so instead of 30 it looks like 50 mph).
However the problem is they go through all that work and it still looks weird because that's not how running works at all. You can tell his feet are only going half the speed of the run. That's why it looks slowed down, because you're literally seeing the guy running slower than the ground beneath his feet.
It's hard to balance effects and powers and the limitations of actors (and the stunt doubles) to make it all come together, I think this is a part where in the future they'll just admit it's better to use CGI for the whole thing.
edit: and this isn't some complaint on "low budget" - they did the same effect in F&WS, Civil War, a few others). It's just hard to nail the look of running super fast.
However the problem is they go through all that work and it still looks weird because that's not how running works at all. You can tell his feet are only going half the speed of the run. That's why it looks slowed down, because you're literally seeing the guy running slower than the ground beneath his feet.
It's hard to balance effects and powers and the limitations of actors (and the stunt doubles) to make it all come together, I think this is a part where in the future they'll just admit it's better to use CGI for the whole thing.
edit: and this isn't some complaint on "low budget" - they did the same effect in F&WS, Civil War, a few others). It's just hard to nail the look of running super fast.
I hope not.Quote:
in the future they'll just admit it's better to use CGI for the whole thing.
In Infinity War, they pulled Cap's stuntman behind a car to where he was essentially running 50 MPH (or whatever).
Karli looked weird in this last one though, admittedly. Probably not the same technique.
Karli looked weird in this last one though, admittedly. Probably not the same technique.
The issue to me is that the supers aren't necessarily any "twitchier" than your average athlete. Meaning while they may be stronger, they aren't actually moving their legs that much faster than a professional football player. So the way they would actually run is that the power in each stride would carry them much longer distances than the normal athlete. So while Usain bolt might cover 3-4 feet between each step*, they would be covering 6-8 feet between each step. More bounding between each leap than running. And it's just hard to make that look realistic.
*completely made that distance up for the purpose of the example, so don't jump down my throat if that number is off.
*completely made that distance up for the purpose of the example, so don't jump down my throat if that number is off.
Trailer for the last two episodes (with a decent amount of footage we've already seen).
"Yeah, we do."
The only time I can think of this effect not bothering me was in First Avenger when Steve runs down the taxi. Now I need to go back and rewatch it though.
EDIT: Still a few not perfect shots but as a whole it's solid, albeit all at a lower speed due to the time period.
EDIT: Still a few not perfect shots but as a whole it's solid, albeit all at a lower speed due to the time period.
For the sake of argument, black panther shouldn't look like he's running like a human. He should look like a cheetah or something bc of the whole panther suit
Like I just love when he jumps down off the roof and lands without a sound
Like I just love when he jumps down off the roof and lands without a sound
I personally think every attempt to make this not look weird is going to fail because it inherently looks weird to see a person moving that fast. Either their legs are moving too fast or it looks like they're jumping like a deer, so I try not to let it bother me.
bluefire579 said:
Trailer for the last two episodes (with a decent amount of footage we've already seen).
Alright, let's gooo. I'm ready for the Sam and Bucky confrontation with Walker.
A cheetah...or maybe a panther?redline248 said:
For the sake of argument, black panther shouldn't look like he's running like a human. He should look like a cheetah or something bc of the whole panther suit
Like I just love when he jumps down off the roof and lands without a sound
bluefire579 said:
Trailer for the last two episodes (with a decent amount of footage we've already seen).
There's about to be some major ass kicking
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