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That's half the fun.
Until everyone is disappointed when power broker is just some new character.
Oh, here is my weekly check in on Walker is about to crack.
Timely Skull Island reference.
The Power Broker is MF Patch!
New Rockstars video indicated there was some sort of re-write for this episode that made it look choppy and disjointed. Maybe the plot originally had to do with a pandemic, and the flag smashers were stealing vaccines?
Anyway, that might explain some of the quirks.
Anyway, that might explain some of the quirks.
I'm going to start the power broker is reanimated Klaw rumors. Only because I would love to see him on screen again.
This completely threw us as well. When first mentioned they described it as a pirate enclave that just kind of does its own thing and few people have heard of it.Fightin TX Aggie said:Madripoor sort of threw me. It looked like Hong Kong or something, and Sam was all "What's Madripoor?"YNWA_AG said:
All of the Wolverine being in the MCU articles are starting to appear because of Madripoor
And then they show it and it's one of the most built-up, technically advanced looking societies on the planet. It was basically straight out of Blade Runner. Massive skyscrapers with lots of tech and then really seedy on the ground. I'm assuming that was Hong Kong or Singapore in real life.
So, no one knows about this massive city?
Oops wrong thread
I had that same thought but there are 40 cities in Asia with > 7M people. I'm a geography nerd and there are plenty I couldn't have named. Wuhan is > 8M and I'd never heard of it until about 14 months ago.
Good point.CowtownAg06 said:
I had that same thought but there are 40 cities in Asia with > 7M people. I'm a geography nerd and there are plenty I couldn't have. Wuhan is > 8M and I'd never heard of it until about 14 months ago.
YouBet said:Good point.CowtownAg06 said:
I had that same thought but there are 40 cities in Asia with > 7M people. I'm a geography nerd and there are plenty I couldn't have. Wuhan is > 8M and I'd never heard of it until about 14 months ago.
Honestly never thought of it like that. China is ****ing massive
A few things that had me thinking after the episode.
1) I love seeing Bucky unleashed. If he lets it go 100%, nobody is a match for him 1 on 1, even the other super soldiers - no way they have as much combat experience. Their only advantage is numbers.
2) I would speculate that the US is also trying to replicate the super soldier formula now that Cap has vanished and Bucky isn't trust-worthy. They've perhaps unlocked part of the code and are using Walker as the guinea pig - or likely he volunteered - and they've made some strides, thus his ability to catch the shield, etc. - but it's also got side effects like some of the rage we're seeing.
3) Introducing Wakanda back into the mix had me really thinking about what's going on there in the post-blip timeline. Is Black Panther still alive at the moment? It could be somewhat of a gap filler to BP2 as well if they want to use it. The more I think about it, the more it seems logical to have T'Challa die the same way Chadwick Boseman died, of cancer. Despite all of Wakanda's tech advancement, I am assuming they haven't developed a cure for cancer. That fate would be a very natural way to have his screen death reflect his real-life death and let the characters (and fans) grieve accordingly. I'd much rather than than him being defeated by some random new villain.
4) Sharon Carter - swearing, drinking, whipping ass. It takes a special talent to be hotter at 34 (2021) than you were at 27 (Winter Soldier.) Holy moley.
1) I love seeing Bucky unleashed. If he lets it go 100%, nobody is a match for him 1 on 1, even the other super soldiers - no way they have as much combat experience. Their only advantage is numbers.
2) I would speculate that the US is also trying to replicate the super soldier formula now that Cap has vanished and Bucky isn't trust-worthy. They've perhaps unlocked part of the code and are using Walker as the guinea pig - or likely he volunteered - and they've made some strides, thus his ability to catch the shield, etc. - but it's also got side effects like some of the rage we're seeing.
3) Introducing Wakanda back into the mix had me really thinking about what's going on there in the post-blip timeline. Is Black Panther still alive at the moment? It could be somewhat of a gap filler to BP2 as well if they want to use it. The more I think about it, the more it seems logical to have T'Challa die the same way Chadwick Boseman died, of cancer. Despite all of Wakanda's tech advancement, I am assuming they haven't developed a cure for cancer. That fate would be a very natural way to have his screen death reflect his real-life death and let the characters (and fans) grieve accordingly. I'd much rather than than him being defeated by some random new villain.
4) Sharon Carter - swearing, drinking, whipping ass. It takes a special talent to be hotter at 34 (2021) than you were at 27 (Winter Soldier.) Holy moley.
I doubt we'll get any hints of T'Challa in this series, since it was written and filmed before Boseman's death, and the BP2 crew are still figuring out how to proceed, but I think you make a really good point. There was a graphic novel in the 80s, "the Death of Captain Marvel," where the original Captain Marvel, Mar-Vell, dies of cancer. It was very poignant. All the greatest minds of the planet are coming together to try and develop a cure. Ultimately, everyone has to cope with death in their own way - including Mar-Vell, who makes that journey into the unknown.
I guess the main difference between the two would be that Boseman wouldn't be there to portray any of it. It would all be after-the-fact. You could still have various characters grieving in their own way. Nakia, who loved him. Shuri, who presumably has to fill his shoes. His mother. Etc.
I think having some villain kill a CGI Chadwick would be the absolute worst move possible. Man I'd hate that.
I guess the main difference between the two would be that Boseman wouldn't be there to portray any of it. It would all be after-the-fact. You could still have various characters grieving in their own way. Nakia, who loved him. Shuri, who presumably has to fill his shoes. His mother. Etc.
I think having some villain kill a CGI Chadwick would be the absolute worst move possible. Man I'd hate that.
I need to do a rewatch, but my initial thoughts on this episode were that it was just a lot and I'm not sure some of it made sense.
I felt funny watching her on screen.Fat Bib Fortuna said:
A few things that had me thinking after the episode.
1) I love seeing Bucky unleashed. If he lets it go 100%, nobody is a match for him 1 on 1, even the other super soldiers - no way they have as much combat experience. Their only advantage is numbers.
2) I would speculate that the US is also trying to replicate the super soldier formula now that Cap has vanished and Bucky isn't trust-worthy. They've perhaps unlocked part of the code and are using Walker as the guinea pig - or likely he volunteered - and they've made some strides, thus his ability to catch the shield, etc. - but it's also got side effects like some of the rage we're seeing.
3) Introducing Wakanda back into the mix had me really thinking about what's going on there in the post-blip timeline. Is Black Panther still alive at the moment? It could be somewhat of a gap filler to BP2 as well if they want to use it. The more I think about it, the more it seems logical to have T'Challa die the same way Chadwick Boseman died, of cancer. Despite all of Wakanda's tech advancement, I am assuming they haven't developed a cure for cancer. That fate would be a very natural way to have his screen death reflect his real-life death and let the characters (and fans) grieve accordingly. I'd much rather than than him being defeated by some random new villain.
4) Sharon Carter - swearing, drinking, whipping ass. It takes a special talent to be hotter at 34 (2021) than you were at 27 (Winter Soldier.) Holy moley.
+ 1Saxsoon said:I felt funny watching her on screen.Fat Bib Fortuna said:
A few things that had me thinking after the episode.
1) I love seeing Bucky unleashed. If he lets it go 100%, nobody is a match for him 1 on 1, even the other super soldiers - no way they have as much combat experience. Their only advantage is numbers.
2) I would speculate that the US is also trying to replicate the super soldier formula now that Cap has vanished and Bucky isn't trust-worthy. They've perhaps unlocked part of the code and are using Walker as the guinea pig - or likely he volunteered - and they've made some strides, thus his ability to catch the shield, etc. - but it's also got side effects like some of the rage we're seeing.
3) Introducing Wakanda back into the mix had me really thinking about what's going on there in the post-blip timeline. Is Black Panther still alive at the moment? It could be somewhat of a gap filler to BP2 as well if they want to use it. The more I think about it, the more it seems logical to have T'Challa die the same way Chadwick Boseman died, of cancer. Despite all of Wakanda's tech advancement, I am assuming they haven't developed a cure for cancer. That fate would be a very natural way to have his screen death reflect his real-life death and let the characters (and fans) grieve accordingly. I'd much rather than than him being defeated by some random new villain.
4) Sharon Carter - swearing, drinking, whipping ass. It takes a special talent to be hotter at 34 (2021) than you were at 27 (Winter Soldier.) Holy moley.
Did anybody else see Bucky stash a vial in his pocket after the RPG hit the lab? It seemed like Dr. Nagel was lying about not having any serum in his lab and Bucky would be one to tell. Bucky might want to juice up Sam in the next episode.
Loved Madripoor. It wasn't great that Zemo shot the doctor and got very little pushback from Sam and Bucky. They should have had a stronger slap on the wrist for a straight up murder.
Loved Madripoor. It wasn't great that Zemo shot the doctor and got very little pushback from Sam and Bucky. They should have had a stronger slap on the wrist for a straight up murder.
They were in the middle of getting rockets shot at them. Maybe we see him get chastised next time.Batzarro said:
Did anybody else see Bucky stash a vial in his pocket after the RPG hit the lab? It seemed like Dr. Nagel was lying about not having any serum in his lab and Bucky would be one to tell. Bucky might want to juice up Sam in the next episode.
Loved Madripoor. It wasn't great that Zemo shot the doctor and got very little pushback from Sam and Bucky. They should have had a stronger slap on the wrist for a straight up murder.
Finally getting a chance to comment on this episode. I overall liked it. I love the show! I do agree with some comments that this episode felt a little disjointed. They must have had to cut some stuff because it felt like they were trying to pack way too much into the episode.
Loved seeing Bucky ramp up his strength. Some were commenting on the show needing him to be as strong as they need him to be, but I think it tracks with how he's been trying to reinvent himself and actually is afraid of his strength because it's a reminder of who he used to be. I think they have done a fantastic job developing Bucky.
I like the character Zemo. They are using him really well I feel.
I'm intrigued to see who Sharon is working for because I think that will explain why she was willing to team up with them so quickly.
I'm ready for them to develop Sam more. It was cool seeing his life outside of being an avenger, but I feel like we're not getting the same development with him yet. We know he was hesitant to take the shield and I know some reasons are implied, but I want to hear it verbalized by Sam why not.
Interested to see where the flag smashers, Sam, Zemo and Bucky, the new Captain America, and the Power Broker intersect.
Really interested to see how they handle Wakanda in the next episode.
Overall this feels like the middle act setup for the final, but feels like it needs to tighten up a little bit.
Loved seeing Bucky ramp up his strength. Some were commenting on the show needing him to be as strong as they need him to be, but I think it tracks with how he's been trying to reinvent himself and actually is afraid of his strength because it's a reminder of who he used to be. I think they have done a fantastic job developing Bucky.
I like the character Zemo. They are using him really well I feel.
I'm intrigued to see who Sharon is working for because I think that will explain why she was willing to team up with them so quickly.
I'm ready for them to develop Sam more. It was cool seeing his life outside of being an avenger, but I feel like we're not getting the same development with him yet. We know he was hesitant to take the shield and I know some reasons are implied, but I want to hear it verbalized by Sam why not.
Interested to see where the flag smashers, Sam, Zemo and Bucky, the new Captain America, and the Power Broker intersect.
Really interested to see how they handle Wakanda in the next episode.
Overall this feels like the middle act setup for the final, but feels like it needs to tighten up a little bit.
Batzarro said:
Did anybody else see Bucky stash a vial in his pocket after the RPG hit the lab? It seemed like Dr. Nagel was lying about not having any serum in his lab and Bucky would be one to tell. Bucky might want to juice up Sam in the next episode.
Loved Madripoor. It wasn't great that Zemo shot the doctor and got very little pushback from Sam and Bucky. They should have had a stronger slap on the wrist for a straight up murder.
I didn't see him snag a vial. Quick thinking.
It is going to be interesting to see if he juices up Sam, but I have a feeling it's going to be some sort of bargaining chip.
I really enjoyed the episode. A lot happened, but I didn't think it stepped too far out of standard action movie structure. "Let's go somewhere exotic, move the plot a bit, and then have a big fight"
I do like that at different times in the episode I was sure a couple different people were the Power Broker. They leaned into Sharon as a bad guy, but I'm guessing she's really working for Fury. Could be Zemo. Convoluted but it could either be a "if you can't beat em join em" or part of a plot to further discredit heros by creating a bunch of terrible ones.
I did think the flag smashers turn to full terrorists was out of character, but I expect we'll see in upcoming episodes that the GRC is fully corrupted and under the control of some bad guy.
I do like that at different times in the episode I was sure a couple different people were the Power Broker. They leaned into Sharon as a bad guy, but I'm guessing she's really working for Fury. Could be Zemo. Convoluted but it could either be a "if you can't beat em join em" or part of a plot to further discredit heros by creating a bunch of terrible ones.
I did think the flag smashers turn to full terrorists was out of character, but I expect we'll see in upcoming episodes that the GRC is fully corrupted and under the control of some bad guy.
The power broker is Ralph Bohner
Does the actor playing Zemo remind anyone else of Joshua Jackson?
Not at all.
Wrong board
Just caught up. Kickass episode but I don't buy the Sharon bad guy angle for one second. Lots of misdirection there. Similarly with Sam not being in on Zemo's escape... I think there's aa lot of spycraft here.
Very curious who the Power Broker will be, though. If it's not Zemo or Sharon, I'd have to think it would be someone important and well known.
Very curious who the Power Broker will be, though. If it's not Zemo or Sharon, I'd have to think it would be someone important and well known.
I know this is not happening but what if the Power Broker was Loki?
God that would be awesome.
God that would be awesome.
YouBet said:
I know this is not happening but what if the Power Broker was Loki?
God that would be awesome.
Or even better
AliasMan02 said:
Just caught up. Kickass episode but I don't buy the Sharon bad guy angle for one second. Lots of misdirection there. Similarly with Sam not being in on Zemo's escape... I think there's aa lot of spycraft here.
Very curious who the Power Broker will be, though. If it's not Zemo or Sharon, I'd have to think it would be someone important and well known.
Yeah, especially since Sam walked nearly all the way to Zemos cell. Then in the breakout, Bucky is walking out by himself and drops that note on the table to start the riot. There's no way Sam doesn't leave that prison without knowing there's a riot going down.
Or Sam leaves/isn't allowed to hang out at the prison while waiting for Bucky.
The Power Bohner?Dr. Horrible said:
The power broker is Ralph Bohner
The power broker is Bucky Rodgers. Steve and Peggy's kid that was jealous of his father.
Shai-Hulud said:
The power broker is Bucky Rodgers. Steve and Peggy's kid that was jealous of his father.
Id be all kinds of onboard with this if it meant erin grey would make an appearance.
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