Bradley was held in maximum security military prison and experimented on for over 30 years. He only escaped after a kind nurse helped fake his death. That's not quite the same thing that happened to Steve. What do you think would happen to him if he came forward?

"Now that I've escaped from prison after faking my death, rather than try to have a few years of peace and solitude before I die I think I'm going to take up a civil rights fight where I will surely be identified and tossed back in prison or just killed." Yeah, Isaiah really gave up there.

EDIT: mixed up a comment between different posters, apologies

Space Ghost was awesome!!

Left ambiguous intentionally is my guess.

I can't buy Karli as the leader of this international movement. She's utterly naive. The idea that people risk their lives to follow her is absurd to the point of distraction.

I still enjoy it. Marvel has done so well in it's casting that the rare miss really sticks out.

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Gotchu

https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeDepot/comments/ms8zr3/new_episode_of_the_falcon_and_the_winter_soldier/

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As Harry Lime so eloquently explains above, the whole point of the show is to examine whether SAM is ready, not whether WE are.

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Agree and disagree. I believe the point is to examine whether Sam is ready with the ultimate purpose to convince the audience it is okay for us to accept this other person as Captain America.

I personally could not care less what race that person is, unless that person makes the Captain America character completely about race. Whoever it turned out to be, I just wanted it to feel earned; deserved. As I mentioned earlier, I feel like this show is doing that for Sam.

At this point, I don't feel like anyone else other than Bradley has made it all about race. However, I wish the writers of the show would contrast him to Steve Rodgers. Our country turned on him as well, but he did not choose to disappear into exile. He stayed on the sidelines to appear when we needed him.

Was Bradley dealt a crappy deal? Of course. No one would dispute that, nor the obvious racial issues he dealt with in his youth. However, as a black super soldier, he could have decided not to let those hardships defeat him and instead fight to become a symbol of his cause. It if killed him to do so, then so be it. At least he wouldn't have let it defeat him.

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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

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Wow, this is a really special take on the differences between Steve Rodgers' situation and Isaiah Bradley's. For starters, Steve volunteered for the super soldier program. Isaiah was told he was getting a tetanus shot. This doesn't even take into account that Isaiah grew up in the Jim Crow era and was most likely drafted into service for Korea. Then, he is literally wrongfully imprisoned and experimented on for 30 years by the government that conscripted him and made him a second class citizen. Not fun economic or social experiments, Josep Mengele experiments. The only way his living hell ends is because one person helps him fake his death. After all that, he finds out his wife has died and never given up on him. Oh and he's like 60+ at this point.

That's totally the same thing as Steve being told to register and operate under international oversight after his super team created and released an AI that destroyed a small country. Pretty much the same thing. Jeez why would Isaiah be bitter? We all have hardships.

Oh not to mention that the white dude who you had to go deal with behind enemy lines and has been the most dangerous assassin for the past 70ish years now has a full pardon and can walk around like nothing happened. This Isaiah guy is basically a mellinial in a boomers body with all these feels. He probably thinks it's okay to kneel for the anthem. Love it or leave it right?

What's missing in the debate I've largely seen about Isaiah (I haven't read all the posts here) is that he will ultimately be proven wrong. The country IS different and Sam WILL be accepted as Cap. If that comes to pass as I suspect it will, then a whole other group will get to be mad about the portrayal of race in this series.

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I like to watch just enough of a series to figure out how it either confirms my current political beliefs or pisses me off, then tell the internet why I stopped watching. But that's just me.

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I can't buy Karli as the leader of this international movement. She's utterly naive. The idea that people risk their lives to follow her is absurd to the point of distraction.

I still enjoy it. Marvel has done so well in it's casting that the rare miss really sticks out.

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You wouldn't follow a juiced up Antifa dork who parkours their way around?

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Your last sense is incomprehensible, to me. What people would be upset at the acceptance of a Black man being Captain America?

I assume you're talking about legitimate, hardcore racists? Those kind of people aren't watching this show...are they?

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I believe he is talking about black people considering Isaiahs comment about a black man taking up the mantle of CA would essentially be traitorous to blacks.

But, I'm speculating here.

Regarding this episode and the teasers it would make us cry....about the only thing that made me cry was Elaines absolutely jarring cameo that completely took me out of the show.

Is that the mystery character we've been teased? Seriously? The same exact character she plays in almost everything else she's ever done? Don't get me wrong; I think she's great but that was so out of left field and nonsensical that Kurt Russell's kids face in the show actually was my face in real life.

I don't know need to see that character again because if she is leading Hydra then they might as well have Dr. Evil at the helm.

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I can't buy Karli as the leader of this international movement. She's utterly naive. The idea that people risk their lives to follow her is absurd to the point of distraction.

I still enjoy it. Marvel has done so well in it's casting that the rare miss really sticks out.

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While I don't think that she's a total "hit", I will say that being naive and idealistic usually go hand in hand with young leaders.

Conversely, from my decades of comic consumption I will say that what we are seeing as far was "strength" of the gillian is pretty consistent with the type of story this is. This is a protagonist vs. protagonist conflict/growth story. These happen all the time in comics, and when they do, the protagonist vs. antagonist story becomes a backdrop and the antagonist are usually very derivative. The Flag Smasher is a perfect example of a color by numbers villian of the week where we can have our heroes deal with their issues while stoping their Scooby Doo scheme. They simply make sure Sam and Bucky aren't fixing the boat or doing karate in the garage while ironing out their differences and becoming best friends.

Conversely (and accurately) Zemo is an "A" class Marvel villian (not "S" class like Thanos or Loki, but several steps above the "D" class Flag Smasher) so the fact he's more interesting and complex I believe it's by design. Does this mean I think the writers intended for Karli to be "bad", no and I don't think she is. The audience understands her motivation and can empathize, if not sympathize, with her plight/chosen course of action. The end, objective achieved. No more effort needs to go into her/them.

I'll hold off on my thoughts regarding Walker until after the finale as I wouldn't want to inadvertently give something away about how his character progresses, historically. I will say I believe they are doing a good to great job on having him be both a copy of and antithesis of Steve Rodgers. Not easy to do in 300ish minutes of TV where he is 3rd billing, and I would argue 4th behind Zemo for about 25% of that time.

I really like this show but there are a couple times each episode where I'm like "Wait, what?"

I would absolutely not assume that.